Can you call the Division of Consumer Affairs for wherever his business is located?
(Topic ID: 319214)
Quoted from Mike_J:Can you call the Division of Consumer Affairs for wherever his business is located?
Why do I get the feeling he runs it out of his basement…
Quoted from EJS:Why do I get the feeling he runs it out of his basement…
I’m sure you’re right, but they will still go after him.
Consumer Affairs, typically, just needs a copy of your invoice/purchase order and your PayPal or credit card receipt in order to get started.
New York, NY
It’s not just PB’s refusal to ship boards that bugs me.
It’s the blatant lack of sincerity!
Quoted from Crash:Has anyone local tried yet?
Seriously; Someone needs to print out a bunch of this stuff along with paypal & credit card invoicing and contact the local PD. There is usually one guy who loves to deal with this stuff. Might even have a postal case here as well since the guy is generating "shipping labels" but not shipping anything.
Quoted from gdonovan:Might even have a postal case here as well since the guy is generating "shipping labels" but not shipping anything.
Interesting, wonder if that constitutes mail fraud?
Rolled the dice recently without knowing the drama... took 10 days to ship but I got my board.
Untested but the soldering looks good. He's shooting himself in the foot with these fulfillment issues.
Uk
Quoted from mufcmufc:Seems basements and pinball companies are not a good mix
Except for Matt’s basement. Always reliable source of ROMs
Quoted from RatShack:Rolled the dice recently without knowing the drama... took 10 days to ship but I got my board.
Untested but the soldering looks good. He's shooting himself in the foot with these fulfillment issues.
He has shot himself in the foot by screwing people over. If he was transparent, apologetic and made things right he would have a good business. By alienating the biggest pinball website there is doesn't help his future in the hobby.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:It’s not just PB’s refusal to ship boards that bugs me.
It’s the blatant lack of sincerity!
He needs to respond and explain how shipping products that customers paid for is a journey. And if you follow him through his journey, he sincerely believes you might actually receive your items.
Quoted from bigehrl:He needs to respond and explain how shipping products that customers paid for is a journey. And if you follow him through his journey, he sincerely believes you might actually receive your items.
Getting a lot of PM's that many have been on that journey. Some make it to the end, some don't.
Pinside profile says he was active 8/1 so, he's here watching..
Come to Pinside. Great place to rip people off. Very sad. I can’t believe they allow these shenanigans to continue.
Gaborone
Quoted from dmacy:Come to Pinside. Great place to rip people off. Very sad. I can’t believe they allow these shenanigans to continue.
....but don't even THINK about mentioning the moderators or your post will be deleted in a micro second!
Quoted from pins4u:....but don't even THINK about mentioning the moderators or your post will be deleted in a micro second!
How has this post been allowed for over 10 hours? 
Quoted from PoMC:How has this post been allowed for over 10 hours?
Too many threads going about the pinball markets and how economics plays into it?
Got my full refund posted to my account today! To be fair, I'm not sure if he broke down & approved the claim or if my bank just paid me and they are going to go after him. I was told the deadline was this Saturday. So either the bank was 2 days early or he let it run to the deadline to screw with me.
Either way, I got my money back and don't have product that I have to worry if it was going to work.
Buyer beware still in full effect!
Quoted from Butch2099:Got my full refund posted to my account today! To be fair, I'm not sure if he broke down & approved the claim or if my bank just paid me and they are going to go after him. I was told the deadline was this Saturday. So either the bank was 2 days early or he let it run to the deadline to screw with me.
Either way, I got my money back and don't have product that I have to worry if it was going to work.
Buyer beware still in full effect!
Looks like he did not! The bank paid me my money under FRAUD PROTECTION BECAUSE HE IS A FRAUD. Have fun fighting the bank Charlie! I'm sure they're going to go after you now.
Quoted from Butch2099:Looks like he did not! The bank paid me my money under FRAUD PROTECTION BECAUSE HE IS A FRAUD. Have fun fighting the bank Charlie! I'm sure they're going to go after you now.
I'd like to see a perp walk.
Damn, I had planned on getting a complete set of boards and possibly a wire harness for a scratch build from him.
Quoted from Crash:The first domino has fallen. Police report next?
I'm sure the bank will look to recoup their losses and go after him for that plus fees.
Quoted from Butch2099:I'm sure the bank will look to recoup their losses and go after him for that plus fees.
they write off millions in fraud every week. Best you can hope for is it hinders his ability to take payments or have a merchant account.
Quoted from flynnibus:they write off millions in fraud every week. Best you can hope for is it hinders his ability to take payments or have a merchant account.
Collections agent also a possibility
Quoted from orangegsx:Damn, I had planned on getting a complete set of boards and possibly a wire harness for a scratch build from him.
You dodged a bullet or grenade then. There are other reputable builders and suppliers here on pinside that can help you with your build.
Quoted from Butch2099:I'm sure the bank will look to recoup their losses and go after him for that plus fees.
Could your bank also reach out to his bank to freeze his account or seize assets if they felt necessary?
Quoted from Crash:Could your bank also reach out to his bank to freeze his account or seize assets if they felt necessary?
I'm not sure how it works, but I'm sure they won't just walk away.
I'm guessing he will just have a negative balance in his payment processing account until he receives more payments. The bank will get their money one way or another.
At the risk of stating the obvious, Charlie's silence on this thread is deafening. He's on Pinside daily and has obviously read this.
If someone started a thread like this about me and it was a misunderstanding, I would be on here explaining my side of the story and apologizing to the OP.
Unless I was guilty, of course.
Quoted from PismoArcade:At the risk of stating the obvious, Charlie's silence on this thread is deafening. He's on Pinside daily and has obviously read this.
If someone started a thread like this about me and it was a misunderstanding, I would be on here explaining my side of the story and apologizing to the OP.
Unless I was guilty, of course.
The guy can't make or test boards consistently - that's all anyone needs to know and is why you should never buy from him. The taking money for orders he can't readily ship is just icing on the cake - you don't want his product period as it's inferior and he knows it and has no plans to change it.
Peddling shit and he doesn't care because he can't fix/change it.
Quoted from Jmckune:Except for Matt’s basement. Always reliable source of ROMs
He told me recently he stopped taking orders and is not making roms anymore.
Quoted from Butch2099:Looks like he did not! The bank paid me my money under FRAUD PROTECTION BECAUSE HE IS A FRAUD. Have fun fighting the bank Charlie! I'm sure they're going to go after you now.
You sure are mad for being told no for the first time in your life, butch.
Quoted from PismoArcade:At the risk of stating the obvious, Charlie's silence on this thread is deafening. He's on Pinside daily and has obviously read this.
If someone started a thread like this about me and it was a misunderstanding, I would be on here explaining my side of the story and apologizing to the OP.
Unless I was guilty, of course.
I haven't been reading this thread. I told butch, no and what his options were. He didn't like the options presented, so he threatened me with clout and a pinside thread. He also contacted robin, which was funny.
Quoted from lordloss:I haven't been reading this thread
1. Charlie reads thread.
2. Charlie replies to post saying he isn't reading the thread.
3. ???
4. Profit!...?
Also, that doesn't look good for an ongoing bank fraud investigation. You have a right to remain silent.
Quoted from lordloss:You sure are mad for being told no for the first time in your life, butch.
Oooooooh boy. Not enough popcorn for Pinside right now...
Quoted from lordloss:You sure are mad for being told no for the first time in your life, butch.
You probably should have gone any other direction with your first public response on this matter. I don't think this will end well for you.
I'm also a bit confused, does this person have multiple accounts, Pinball_Basement and @lordloss, or just another employee of the company?
Quoted from lordloss:You sure are mad for being told no for the first time in your life, butch.
Quoted from lordloss:I haven't been reading this thread. I told butch, no and what his options were. He didn't like the options presented, so he threatened me with clout and a pinside thread. He also contacted robin, which was funny.
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Mississauga, ON
Quoted from lordloss:I haven't been reading this thread. I told butch, no and what his options were. He didn't like the options presented, so he threatened me with clout and a pinside thread. He also contacted robin, which was funny.
So.... What was your reason for not shipping the boards?
Lordloss I believe was supposed to be his personal non-business account. But he since decided to entangle that account with his business matters anyway.
Quoted from lordloss:You sure are mad for being told no for the first time in your life, butch.
...after you could not deliver a reliable product you sold.
Kinda important point there 
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