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Quoted from jandrea95:You got FUCKED and are giving this guy the benefit of the doubt? I understand you think you are being sympathetic to his situation but this is YOUR money.
This is EXACTLY what the best scammers/confidence men do! They take your money, rip you off, dance around giving you what they owe you, THEN MAKE YOU FEEL GUILTY!
They are usually so likable that even when they have ripped you off, you feel sorry for them and don't want them to get in trouble.
It's so textbook confidence man, that it's not even funny!!
Usually the early deals that were really good deals (you know, the ones that made you really like the guy and were cheaper than anywhere else) is what made people feel loyal, and then when the stack of cards fell he uses those old deals to draw sympothy.. but it's those deals that methodically got everyone to give him all the money that he owes you and ran off with.
Believe me, he NEVER had your back or was looking out for you!
Quoted from PinRob:The picture is a joke
Actually, that picture is NOT a joke. That is him. 100%. Wish it was a joke.
It's my understanding that he was a the type of seller that sells only to retail locations like arcades and amusement parks... not to the home use crowd, and was buying them from pinball dealers with that agreement.
So, buying games under the impression that they were being sold and/or placed into locations.. arcades, bars, etc., and then redirecting them into the home use market. There was a point where he had a bunch of open box games with no plays on them that were being sold for a discount.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:So basically he was stealing games from route ops then, under this theory? Or are we back to the "he was buying them at a discount supposedly for Wally World but then selling them to Pinsiders at a profit?"
I just can't believe pinball home buyers were the only people he was stealing from. At some point, he had to be dealing in gray/black market pins and stealing from someone else. You gotta steal from as many people as possible to really make this work out.
Not stealing from ops... buying them at a heavy discount for OPS as the middle-man then selling to home users... or opening up the box, setting up the game, and selling it as "used". There were several threads where open box games with like 5 plays on them were up for sale if you recall..
Quoted from PinRob:Apparently the taking of peoples money and not delivering wasn’t helping anyone either.
Exactly. Taking peoples hard earned cash and playing games with them is not easy on the people you are doing it to.
Imagine finally being called out... must not feel good. I doubt there are any physical threats... more like legal and jail.
And let's not forget that he's been doing this for YEARS. And continued to do it knowing he owed people money... once he brushed them and their calls for fair payment over a few months, he rolled on to the next person like it was NOTHING.
I don't feel sorry for him now, sorry!
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