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Best way to get measurements to design HB/FP table

By openpinballproj

6 years ago



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#1 6 years ago

So I'm trying to get physical measurements to replicate the bottom portion of a Steve Ritchie style pinball table. Since I'm initially planning on doing it in Future Pinball, then moving to the physical world, I think I have a couple of options.

1. Take another Future Pinball table and figure out the location of each of the posts, slingshots, etc and calculate physical locations from that. There is a Spider-Man ultra version 1.09 that seemed like it might be suitable on pinsimdb (http://www.pinsimdb.org/pinball/table-2341-spider-man_ultra).
2. I have a high resolution (600 dpi) scan of a Monster Bash playfield. I could use that image to calculate the locations of things, but that is a Gomez design. Is it any different than the design that Steve Ritchie typically uses?
3. I have a couple other playfields that are not Ritchie designs, and use those as a basis. (I have a Camelot and a Shaq Attaq which I could easily scan at 600 dpi). Both of these playfields are far from Ritchie designs, so I think this option stinks.
4. Find somebody who knows the measurements from a certain point on the playfield and simply lists them. (Wow, that would be amazing and I would be forever indebted to that person). Hey, it might happen.

What are people's opinions on the best way to go here? Eventually I'm going to turn it into a wide body so it is going to be heavily modified, but I want to start with a good base.

I'm also wondering what the major angles for shots using this flipper arrangement. This makes me think I should use the Monster Bash playfield scan because I can simply measure all the angles for shots since I have the whole playfield and I just have to draw some lines. I've only played Monster Bash a couple of times, but it seemed to be one of the more flowy games even though it is Gomez, not Ritchie.

#2 6 years ago

I don't have any good ideas for mass dumping of dimensions, but I'm interested in the feedback of this thread. For my homebrew, I'm just going in and taking relative dimensions using a ruler for little things (distance between pops, widths of ramp/or it openings, etc) of a fully populated game. I think it'd be great if the community could come up with a list or a wiki or something that had all of that information so we could make good choices and not just eyeball things (I'm an engineer so I like precision). Obviously there will be some variability between games or even within a game, but having those numbers while going through pf design would help so much. I had to basically scrap my pf design and start from scratch because I eyeballed the orbit size and realized I made them way too tight for my target audience of the younger kids in my family. Knowing those dimensions up front will allow a designer to say "this ramp should be an easy 2.5", this should be a tough 1 3/4", etc.

Is this the kind of thing you're looking for?

#3 6 years ago

I'm assuming you've seen the files section over at pinball makers, http://pinballmakers.com/wiki/index.php/Files_Section that does have a few different lower playfield sections. Beyond that I frankly would not trust anything in FP or VP if you want accurate measurements. Some are made by people with obsession for details and have an original to measure, others are just based of photos stretched to whatever shape, others, who knows (and I've made many VPX tables). Other wise the high res scan you have of MB would probably be a pretty good starting point.

The other opinion I have on the matter would be to make it in VPX instead of FP, then you can actually play it with somewhat realistic physics. Others may have a different opinion

#4 6 years ago

When starting my latest design I wanted to base the general dimensions off T2, as it always felt like a very solid bottom layout, but I couldn't find any good measurements either. Would definitely be nice to have. The 'WPC' bottom on pinballmakers looks nice, but I don't know what game it's from. I'd love to know how similar different Steve Ritchie flipper + sling layouts are. Does he have a 'perfected' layout he just stamps down when starting a new design? How has it evolved over the years?

Besides from just 'copy a playfield you like', there's a ton of subtle variance in different games that'd be cool to explore. I've started measuring flipper gaps on my games when I've got the glass off and there's much more of a variance than I would have guessed... Stuff like AFM's sling placement making it hard to post pass would also be really cool to have more theory on, along with even simpler stuff like just an overlay 'fan' of what paths the ball takes from the flippers both from a cradle and from a 'controlled' drop from a ramp down the inlane so you could do stuff like purposely place a shot in a way where it's not/only hittable on the fly

Quoted from BorgDog:

Some are made by people with obsession for details and have an original to measure, others are just based of photos stretched to whatever shape

I might try to just extract the playfield scan from the table, and then base measurements off that. Should be safe enough if you can find some common shape to scale off of.

#5 6 years ago

Looks like I'll just take the measurements off MB since I have the scan available. Large scans like that can move things a couple millimeters this way or that, but it should be pretty darn close. BorgDog After that, I will try to do a comparison with what is up on pinball makers site. I guess that I should have looked there first, but my quick text search of the site a couple weeks back didn't yield anything. I didn't look in the files section so thanks for pointing that out to me. Since I'm eventually hoping to change this stuff down into GCodes, I'm going to need either relative or absolute positions of every hole in the playfield so I have to do the work anyway.

On the Steve Ritchie thing, it has been reported to me that it is basically a stamped out design, no changes between pins. (That probably doesn't go all the way back to High Speed, but who knows?) Again it has been reported that he said if it works so well, why would he change it. Thanks for the input!

1 year later
#6 4 years ago

Are you interested in selling your Shaq playfield? I’m hoping to swap mine out now that I have it stripped. LMK

XTN

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