(Topic ID: 151545)

Best Wax?


By mandelbloom

4 years ago



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    #1 4 years ago

    Hey guys, I know there are a hundred threads on this ... So maybe I'm lazy but just wanted to get the latest best wax to use .

    I have seen Collonite paste wax, something called p21, and of course mothers.

    I will say not a fan of mothers because of the residue.

    What's the latest ?

    #2 4 years ago

    I use maguires carnuba wax. Seems to work great on my games

    #3 4 years ago

    I'm loving the P21S. Goes on smooth, buffs out nice. No residue. Less is more.
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    This is the original 35 year old finish after waxing with P21S:
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    #4 4 years ago

    Hmm that p22 does look nice!

    #5 4 years ago

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    #6 4 years ago

    Sine it has been established that car waxes are compatible with pinball clearcoated playfields, this is pretty much the same as a car wax discussion. However, as a practical matter, there are now many car waxes that do not ruin plastics. Since a pinball machine has lots of plastic parts, you might as well pick one of these. There are many, with one of the more recent ones being Turtle Wax Ice. It goes on easily, comes off easily and does not stain plastic.

    #8 4 years ago

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    #9 4 years ago
    Quoted from Hazoff:

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    Waxing playfields not beavers!

    #10 4 years ago

    We don't wax our beavers, in Canada they are sacred.

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    #11 4 years ago
    Quoted from Superchicken:

    I'm loving the P21S. Goes on smooth, buffs out nice. No residue. Less or more.
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    This is the original 35 year old finish after waxing with P21S:
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    What pin is that?

    #12 4 years ago

    P21s is amazing. I rub it in my hands to heat it up then apply by hand. It works so well. Also works great on my collectable car collection.

    #13 4 years ago
    Quoted from Hazoff:

    We don't wax our beavers, in Canada they are sacred.

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    Nice beaver!

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    #14 4 years ago
    Quoted from jonesjb:

    What pin is that?

    Classic Stern, Catacomb.

    #15 4 years ago

    I was using Mothers and thought it worked well. After reading some I was looking for something with a little more durability. I got a small jar of P21S and now that's all I will put on my machines. After cleaning (a little novus) I put a few layers of P21S and they are ready to go. My friends comment on how fast my games play. It has nothing in it but pure carnuba wax and it shows. Go with P21s

    #16 4 years ago

    Is the liquid wax ok to use?

    #17 4 years ago
    Quoted from ilovegames:

    Is the liquid wax ok to use?

    Usually it's just a lot of silicone; 3 day gloss and no protection.

    Paste wax is much better, more actual wax for your money:

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cleaning-and-waxing-pinball-machines-vids-guide

    #18 4 years ago

    Any good carnuba.

    #19 4 years ago

    Can anyone speak to meguiars vs P21s? I use meguiars and I'm not quite satisfied, but I'm not quite not satisfied enough to justify dropping $40 on a single can of P21s...

    #20 4 years ago

    Don't expect too much from wax alone.

    The games you see with mirror finish are polished that shiny, then waxed to protect them.

    #21 4 years ago
    Quoted from zacaj:

    Can anyone speak to meguiars vs P21s? I use meguiars and I'm not quite satisfied, but I'm not quite not satisfied enough to justify dropping $40 on a single can of P21s...

    A little goes a long way. I mean a really long way. If it is visible after applying you're using too much. Game play is super fast after.

    #22 4 years ago
    Quoted from Superchicken:

    A little goes a long way. I mean a really long way.

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    #23 4 years ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

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    Yes, what Vid said:
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    #24 4 years ago

    remember daniel san

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    #25 4 years ago

    Wow this thread really blew up! I think I am going to give the P21s a try...I just don't like all the powdery residue I get from mothers etc...

    #26 4 years ago
    Quoted from mandelbloom:

    Wow this thread really blew up! I think I am going to give the P21s a try...I just don't like all the powdery residue I get from mothers etc...

    After the wax dries, just follow up with a quick vacuuming using a Micro Vacuum Attachment Kit.

    #27 4 years ago

    My comments below apply only to modern clearcoated playfields and everybody would be wise to read vid1900's thread. (In case anyone is so dense that they didn't see it the first few times, here's the link again: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cleaning-and-waxing-pinball-machines-vids-guide )

    vid1900 brings up a good point about silicon content in liquid waxes. From what I gather, re-clearing a playfield that once had silicon is a bear.

    That said, car wax manufacturers have said for a while now that technology has reached the point where there is no difference between paste and liquid. According to wax manufacturers, paste exists primarily for "traditionalists" rather than for any objective durability or appearance reason. Modern waxes are a chemical process and thus the delivery medium (wax or liquid) matters less than the chemicals themselves.

    Ease of use and "sense of fulfillment" have become factors that are as important as shine and durability. P21S smells the way it does because they add aromas for the benefit of the user but that do not benefit the shine or protective durability. Adding aromas may sound silly, but only for those who have never smelled P21S while waxing a car. Personally, I value the use of a wax that does not stain plastic - I'm sick of those pockets of white wax residue around star posts.

    Here's another article on waxes with pinballs: http://www.flippers.be/playfield_wax.html

    #28 4 years ago
    Quoted from nosro:

    Ease of use and "sense of fulfillment" have become factors that are as important as shine and durability. P21S smells the way it does because they add aromas for the benefit of the user but that do not benefit the shine or protective durability. This may sound silly, but only if you have never smelled P21S while sweating over a gleaming car. Personally, I value the use of a wax that does not stain plastic - I'm sick of those white pockets of wax around star posts.

    Huh?
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    #29 4 years ago

    I stand corrected. P21S still smells awesome, though. Must be a Pavlovian thing.
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    P21S seems to be an evolving product operating under the same name. An older formulation used to stain plastics like crazy.

    #30 4 years ago

    Fundamentally, I am lazy (just ask my wife) and this stuff is easy. I just finished helping a friend prep 30+ games for a league party using Wizards Mist-N-Shine Professional Detailer and P21S and I just couldn't believe how much faster the games played. In fact we had to detune the ball launcher on Mystery Castle after waxing because it was shooting the ball out and over the top of the orbit into the plastics. Never any residue to clean up.

    #31 4 years ago

    I see you folks are mostly Easterners! I have never seen this product here in Calif. can you tell me who sells it?? any car parts store?? Thanks!

    #32 4 years ago
    Quoted from hawkmoon:

    I see you folks are mostly Easterners! I have never seen this product here in Calif. can you tell me who sells it?? any car parts store?? Thanks!

    There are 2 types P21S Concourse and P21S 100% Carnauba Wax. I have never used 100%. I buy it at Amazon:

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    #33 4 years ago

    Thank,you Superchicken!!!

    #34 4 years ago

    How's p21s stack up against the blitz vid promotes?

    #35 4 years ago
    Quoted from Kneissl:

    How's p21s stack up against the blitz vid promotes?

    I haven't used blitz. Being a sailor I've used Collonite in the past. Great for boats and protection from the elements, but leaves stains and is rock hard if it dries before you buff it out.

    #36 4 years ago
    Quoted from Superchicken:

    I just couldn't believe how much faster the games played. In fact we had to detune the ball launcher on Mystery Castle after waxing because it was shooting the ball out and over the top of the orbit into the plastics.

    I am having second thoughts of putting this on my Iron Man! LOL

    #37 4 years ago

    Here's what I now use:

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    #39 4 years ago

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    This stuff was used on wood floors that people would walk on with hard-soled shoes.

    Car wax? Touch someone's freshly waxed car with a finger and see how that goes.

    #40 4 years ago

    Got the p21, I like it anlittl does to a long way may last forever haha!

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