(Topic ID: 246885)

Best theme with worst gameplay


By Daditude

6 days ago



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    “Best themed game with the worst gameplay”

    • Stern star wars 22 votes
      21%
    • Stern indiana Jones 12 votes
      11%
    • Stargate 3 votes
      3%
    • Ghostbusters 20 votes
      19%
    • Transformers 4 votes
      4%
    • Avengers 4 votes
      4%
    • Batman 66 2 votes
      2%
    • T2 0 votes
    • Jetsons 8 votes
      8%
    • Thunderbirds 7 votes
      7%
    • Munsters 3 votes
      3%
    • Primus 1 vote
      1%
    • Beatles 4 votes
      4%
    • TMNT 9 votes
      8%
    • Super Mario Bros 7 votes
      7%

    (106 votes)

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    #151 4 days ago
    Quoted from phoenixpin:

    Another vote for Stern Star Wars.
    Context:
    - I understand the rules very well
    - I regularly get great scores and play it frequently
    - I love and prefer challenging games
    So why do I hate the gameplay?
    1. If you only define gameplay as layout, I’d point to the questionable design choices of plunge to a brick wall followed by left outlane, poor angle of the Death Star ramp, meaninglessly placed and irrelevant pop bumpers, and horseshoe shot that can be adjusted at home but is often center drain on location.
    2. If gameplay includes toys, then the weakness of Star Wars is obvious.
    The point is... flaws exist in it even if you think the code saves it.

    I enjoy parts of the SW code a lot, but I think the video mode in home use would get super repetitive. Nothing better than playing the video mode as Han Solo, followed by another video mode immediately after on the same shot (already lit from the target bank). I mean if I want to play a video game, I have lots of those already....

    Its free points in competition if you get a big multiplier on the shot but is that something you really want?

    #152 4 days ago
    Quoted from dc2010:

    I don't see Gilligan's island

    Hmmm, even though 6 people mentioned it.

    #153 4 days ago
    Quoted from ShinyBall:

    Hmmm, even though 6 people mentioned it.

    I missed that one. Is it possible to add it in? I don't see a way to do it.

    #154 4 days ago
    Quoted from Daditude:

    I missed that one. Is it possible to add it in? I don't see a way to do it.

    Don;t worry, it's not going to be near the top

    #155 4 days ago

    Why is Stargate in the poll? That game is fantastic. A lot of people think it's just "shoot the pyramid" all day, but playing through modes is only one half of the game. There's a lot of strategy involved with things like managing your quartz, collecting all the Stargate segments, selecting and collecting the transporter awards you want, raising the super jackpot before wizard modes, I could go on. Not to mention it's just fun to shoot. It's not going to be for everyone, of course, but no way should it be in a discussion about the worst games with best themes.

    I'll throw Dr. Dude in the discussion. I love the cheesy theme, but unless I see super dude is close to being lit and I have a chance at getting a high score, I have no interest in playing it. I just find it too slow and repetitive to hold my interest.

    #157 4 days ago

    Spy Hunter

    #158 4 days ago

    I challenge anyone who has spent time with BBBB to explain why you think it’s gameplay surpasses any other machine mentioned in this thread.

    BBBB by a mile.

    #159 4 days ago
    Quoted from alveolus:

    I challenge anyone who has spent time with BBBB to explain why you think it’s gameplay surpasses any other machine mentioned in this thread.

    It does not...but the theme is pure shit.

    EDIT: I shouldn't say "pure" shit. Classic WB cartoons are great...but by 1991 I don;t feel they were classic anymore.

    #160 4 days ago
    Quoted from mystman12:

    Why is Stargate in the poll? That game is fantastic. A lot of people think it's just "shoot the pyramid" all day, but playing through modes is only one half of the game. There's a lot of strategy involved with things like managing your quartz, collecting all the Stargate segments, selecting and collecting the transporter awards you want, raising the super jackpot before wizard modes, I could go on. Not to mention it's just fun to shoot. It's not going to be for everyone, of course, but no way should it be in a discussion about the worst games with best themes.
    I'll throw Dr. Dude in the discussion. I love the cheesy theme, but unless I see super dude is close to being lit and I have a chance at getting a high score, I have no interest in playing it. I just find it too slow and repetitive to hold my interest.

    Sorry, I like stargate too. I was just trying to add options for games that had multiple suggestions already.
    I forgot gilligans island too (i game that i like as well), but it apparently had several votes.

    As a disclaimer...I did add the poll at about 2am.

    #161 4 days ago
    Quoted from ktownhero:

    Oh come on with Stern Star Wars in these answers... People don't know what they are missing there. The gameplay is objectively fast and smooth and the code is unmatched for home or competitive play. I guess, unfortunately, it's almost too good of a game to be appreciated at the casual, location-only level.

    I think Star Wars gets a bad wrap because of the bare pf. It just turns people off I guess. Too bad, because the code on SW is actually pretty brilliant, and I think the pin shoots great. There are so many different ways to approach the game that it will take a long time for it to get stale.

    And yes, I could definitely do without the video mode.

    #162 4 days ago
    Quoted from Daditude:

    Sorry, I like stargate too. I was just trying to add options for games that had multiple suggestions already.
    I forgot gilligans island too (i game that i like as well), but it apparently had several votes.
    As a disclaimer...I did add the poll at about 2am.

    Oh yeah, that's fine, I was just kind of curious why it was brought up here.

    #163 4 days ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    Too bad, because the code on SW is actually pretty brilliant,...

    Been wondering if GOT & SW will be the only ones like it going forward. Would be a neat little wrinkle historically, but I'm hoping they do more.

    #164 4 days ago

    As in selecting a starting house/character that cannot be changed, that makes the rule set specific for each respective house/character?

    I don't have enough time in on GOT, but I know you always pick House of Martel(?) and you always pick Leia(?) on SW...It's been a while since I've played either so pardon me on the "correct" picks.

    #165 4 days ago
    Quoted from Grandnational007:

    I don't have enough time in on GOT, but I know you always pick House of Martel(?) and you always pick Leia(?) on SW...It's been a while since I've played either so pardon me on the "correct" picks.

    Usually I will pick the same house/character but it's not Martell and Laia. I go Tyrell & R2
    What does laia do...increase mode length?

    EDIT: As we've been saying since early GOT days I wish they had a random selection option

    #166 4 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Usually I will pick the same house/character but it's not Martell and Laia. I go Tyrell & R2
    What does laia do...increase mode length?
    EDIT: As we've been saying since early GOT days I wish they had a random selection option

    Exactly the two I meant.

    Which begs me to ask, what is the point if everyone just picks the same ones every time?

    Yes, I understand the difference between tournament play/strategy and home/location play/strategy.

    The idea of basically having 5 different game codes in one game is awesome, but in execution, everyone just takes the same one, haha.

    #167 4 days ago
    Quoted from Grandnational007:

    Exactly the two I meant.
    Which begs me to ask, what is the point if everyone just picks the same ones every time?
    The idea of basically having 5 different game codes in one game is awesome, but in execution, everyone just takes the same one, haha.

    Sure I see what you're saying and agree to a certain extent. I think it's nice that the ability to choose is there, you will always pick Martell but I will always pick Tyrell...so in some respects it's doing the job it intends. I see it as a nice/cool feature in the game, not a massive selling point. I was playing a dipshit...er...friend the other day whom picks Han and goes "tie fighters all day." I pick R2 and work more on Multipliers so it's a little diff'rent angle.

    #168 4 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Sure I see what you're saying and agree to a certain extent. I think it's nice that the ability to choose is there, you will always pick Martell but I will always pick Tyrell...so in some respects it's doing the job it intends. I see it as a nice/cool feature in the game, not a massive selling point. I was playing a dipshit...er...friend the other day whom picks Han and goes "tie fighters all day." I pick R2 and work more on Multipliers so it's a little diff'rent angle.

    That is my low level tourney strategy. Han into tie fighter mb into multipliers into video mode then followed by hoth multiball.

    As much as I don't like the video mode it is arguably the best video mode ever in a pinball. I just don't like video modes.

    #169 4 days ago
    Quoted from BC_Gambit:

    That is my low level tourney strategy. Han into tie fighter mb into multipliers into video mode then followed by hoth multiball.
    As much as I don't like the video mode it is arguably the best video mode ever in a pinball. I just don't like video modes.

    I always thought the SW video mode was pretty cool.

    #170 4 days ago
    Quoted from BC_Gambit:

    That is my low level tourney strategy.

    Yeah it's hard to pass up in a tourney for sure. That's sort of the bad side of weighting rules like that.
    There are a few people that play Greyjoy in GOT...but Lannister? Never met anyone other than people just playing to put the high score on there which does add a little more playability to a game I guess. Stark...Baratheon?

    #171 4 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Yeah it's hard to pass up in a tourney for sure. That's sort of the bad side of weighting rules like that.
    There are a few people that play Greyjoy in GOT...but Lannister? Never met anyone other than people just playing to put the high score on there which does add a little more playability to a game I guess. Stark...Baratheon?

    What is the best mode for you on SW? Worst?

    #172 4 days ago

    Oh that fucking level 3 endor mission can suck me....brutal that one. Can light Saber duel count a s a mode? Whilst everyone cries aboot it breaking their aunt flow I just beat it real quick.

    #173 4 days ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Oh that fucking level 3 endor mission can suck me....brutal that one. Can light Saber duel count a s a mode? Whilst everyone cries aboot it breaking their aunt flow I just beat it real quick.

    Maybe i need to give it more of an opportunity trying out more modes...

    Star wars is definitely a DREAM theme for me. Im a big movie guy

    -1
    #174 3 days ago

    Im not sure if these have been listed yet, but jurassic park lost world, waterworld, and space jam (to a lesser extent) have to be high on this list.
    The original Jurassic park was a fantastic movie and a GREAT pin. Lost world was an interesting movie, but horrible pin.
    Waterworld was a movie i really liked. Futuristic sci fi themes are my thing. The pinball had so much possibility, but failed miserably.
    I feel Space jam also had lots of potential with zero payoff in the end.

    #175 3 days ago

    I agree. SW should not be mentioned at all here. I know it's a bit of a letdown for fans for different reasons and some of the gameplay is flawed but it's a solid game designed by the king of flow. You can't fault the game if it's not setup properly on location or maintained properly. Any game can be a victim of that.

    #176 2 days ago

    Star wars and ghostbusters are currently tied for the lead.

    #177 2 days ago

    Just played Primus.... what a let down

    #178 2 days ago

    How the hell is Thunderbirds not winning this poll?
    Oh yeah the theme is sucks too!
    What is the next pinball he is doing I wonder ( not the ICB rip off )

    #179 1 day ago

    what the f*** is Transformers doing in this list !?
    and even poor, 4 guys have named it... :/

    #180 1 day ago

    I’m glad to see DIRTY HARRY hasn’t been mentioned. Definitely an underrated game. GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY.

    #181 1 day ago

    Spy Hunter

    #182 1 day ago
    Quoted from bssbllr:

    I’m glad to see DIRTY HARRY hasn’t been mentioned. Definitely an underrated game. GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY.

    I love dirty harry. It is easily one of the most underrated games out there. Great theme too.

    #183 1 day ago
    Quoted from RipleYYY:

    what the f*** is Transformers doing in this list !?

    Horrible awfull theme. Movies are universally hated

    #184 20 hours ago
    Quoted from Daditude:

    I love dirty harry. It is easily one of the most underrated games out there. Great theme too.

    It fucking sucks. And I love the theme.

    #185 19 hours ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Horrible awfull theme. Movies are universally hated

    but the gameplay is very good, including/working very well with the (usual Lonnie) code...

    #186 16 hours ago
    Quoted from vicjw66:

    It fucking sucks. And I love the theme.

    Please don't sugar coat it...tell us what you really think.

    #187 15 hours ago
    Quoted from RipleYYY:

    but the gameplay is very good, including/working very well with the (usual Lonnie) code...

    It has probably the worse mini upper pf in Pinball history, Ironhide. And the starscream rotating/toy target, while I like it a lot, is very poorly implemented into the code. So as far as the LE is concerned, TF whiffs hard because of those 2 items. Otherwise, I think it’s a great game and the integration with what they had to work with is top notch. One of the best sound packages too!

    #188 15 hours ago

    I sure wouldn't say TF has great gameplay. I'd like to not even mention the mini PF but obviously the worst functional toy in pinball history. A Megatron hole that always has problems getting balls stuck, Optimus toy that regularly has issues registering hits, and a plain grey starscream toy that... I've never even understand what the point is....it moves and then ball falls down... Excitement!
    I'll give you the gameplay is better than the audio, which is beyond a horrible mix of random noises shaken up together in a paper bag.

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