Looking at new games. I understand that with Le games the more bells and whistles can impact the game. The question is this. Where is The sweet spot for getting a Pro or Standard game that gives you enough game and then creates a great value over the Le version? Example might be a Shaker motor which might be fun but really does not add that much to the game for a lot of people. Don't get me wrong. Toppers, artwork, sound upgrade and trim colors of which I would love to have it all but at what expense. So here I am, which current game plays as good or almost as good as its Le upgrade? There must be a difference between manufacturers and games that this would apply differently.

I think I'm pretty set on new in box. Also like the upgradeable software to improve the game.

Looks like whether it's Chicago Gaming or Stern the difference between the Pro or Premium for Stern or Classic and Speciale for Chicago Gaming the difference is roughly 1500 bucks. That difference seems to be quite an upgrade with lighting, sound and board attractions. When you get into the Le version that's more with painting, signatures, limited-production, medallions and toppers. Things like that for the most part. For me unfortunately it looks like I might have to be in the Special or Premium grade with looking what you get with the upgrade.

Thanks, that's helpful. Game play is important in the equation. That's something I couldn't research easily.

Well I guess everything physically about the game affects gameplay whether it's visual or physical. I wasn't even thinking whether the actually game would play differently with different versions. Just trying to analyze the upgrades in different versions how much effect it has on the enjoyment of playing the game and also versus cost. How big of a deal do we think the lighting upgrades are on the field?

No I think everybody's looking at my question a little bit differently. Which is giving me ideas that I wasn't necessarily thinking. It's opening up many things for me to consider. Which is exactly what I was looking for. As I was looking at the upgrade models it seems like a major thing is the lighting with RGB and things like that. When you look at a machine the lighting is really one of the things that adds excitement. Was just thinking that might be a important factor. As far as the toys go I guess I don't see that as important but like I say every game is different at the different levels for each manufacturer. I'm sure I made everything more confusing now. Really appreciate everybody's input.

Yes I believe you are correct. Also it seems like that pricing is coming down on some units.

Good point, home use.

Most of the LEs have high-definition anti-reflection glass. Has anybody seen a big difference with this?

It's funny when I was buying my first plasma TV. A 50 inch Panasonic for over $3,000 back at the start of HDTV. On the AVS Forum as conversations went on I came to the conclusion "The more I know the less I know". Looking at the Matrix for Iron Maiden games seems like a good value Pro versus Premium leaning towards Pro. I really wasn't an Iron Maiden music fan, should I be worried.

Yeah at this point I'm kind of leaning towards IM. Seems like a lot of people happy with it more so then Metallica at a couple hundred dollars cheaper. A while back I was really interested in MBR but it's 500 bucks more so I don't think so. If it was a much better game I could justify but I don't think that's the case.

For earnings is it a 50/50 split or 60-40 in favor of operator?

They say the call-outs and clarity of them are very good in Iron Maiden

Was playing Iron Maiden a little bit ago. Didn't play it enough to really know anything but it looks like it could be challenging in the long run which is good. I do like the TV screen over the dot matrix. Metallica was next to it looks good did not play it.