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I'm considering another machine (I'm kinda new to the hobby) and wanted to know what machine you guys would recommend under $4000 US.
I currently have an MMRLE, and want something that has the same sort of appeal where anyone can really jump on and start enjoying. I'd also like something slightly easier to complete (I find MMR pretty tough).
Also looking for DMD and LED preferably.
Thanks in advance 
Quoted from RyThom:Why do you want to spend so much money? You could get a few good pinball machines for $4000.
Such as?
If there was a toss up between BSD and The Shadow as the second machine (currently have MMRLE) in your collection, and your goal is to own something family and guest friendly, but something challenging enough that you could keep it for a while, but not crazy difficult. What would you pick?
Quoted from Beebl:Mine is pretty close. I have seen similar near mint TZ with lots of mods selling for 6-7k
I've seen some on in the marketplace, but they're closer to $8000-9000 for near mint.
Also, as an owner, I'd like to hear your thoughts on springing for a machine like this over a machine in the $4000 range. Is it that good? I hear only great things about it.
Quoted from Beebl:I think the appeal of TZ is that it has the solid BW feel, close to the code depth of modern titles, smooth flow/shots and the nostalgia of pinheads that have been playing it for nearly 25 years. Is it better than modern stern pro machines selling for ~4k absolutely. Better than 8-9k pins on the market today, my opinion, I'm not so sure. A pin that any family member or friend that doesn't know much about pinball will enjoy without knowing a strategy, doubtful.
I find myself trending toward modern pins because I have been Lost in the Zone, the call outs are amazing and the wizard mode is extremely satisfying and if I want to go back I can spend 30 minutes to 2 hours and get there with no problem. Newer pins are just harder because of the number of shots required. On the other hand I have not seen Portal, End of the Line or We're Ready to Believe in you so until then they keep calling me back.
So you're saying it's easy to finish the Wizard mode in TZ?
I keep hearing it's a difficult game, and when I play the Xbox version, it kicks my ass!
Also you didn't mention, but I assume those modes you're referring to at the end are from Ghostbusters? A friend of mine has the LE, and it's just not my style of game. It's one of the most beautiful machines I have ever seen, but it's vicious with drains. That flipper gap is ridiculous. Also not a fan of the toys. Nothing really does much, and most of it just gets repetitive. But I guess that's why they have so many machines to accommodate everyone's personal taste. I like something more arcade-ish like Medieval Madness.
I'm also realizing I'm not a fan of Stern machines. I find them to be bare and lackluster. Either too much open space or too many stationary toys that don't offer much. I do however like some of the older Sterns like Simpsons, Family Guy, Sopranos... And of the newer games, I really liked Metallica.
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