Got my best deal last night actually. I went and looked at Lord of the Rings through guy on craigslist that was posted for about a month already. he was selling that machine along with Hook for $4500 for both and I went and took a look not knowing what to expect condition wise. I ended only looking at the rings which he bought brand new back in 2007, home use only, in like new condition. I asked him what he wanted for just the rings and I was able to walk away with the machine for $2,700. yea I'm ecstatic to say the least right now