MARS upstackers. Get one that can be updated to take new fives, they get changed a lot. Ones and fives at the very least. Tens and twenties is good if machine/location warrant it.

Cheap ones take ones only usually, and if ones are ever changed they might not be updateable.

LTG : )™

AE2400 series.

Buying on Ebay or something be aware there are models out there not for 110AC, but lower voltages for vending or counter top games.

LTG : )™

For new.

I'd also check out Changer Services - http://www.changerservices.com/

I got a rebuilt one from them at a great price.

LTG : )™

The specific model to get is Mars AE2411-U3. It's a 115 to 120 volt AC powered unit.

Will a 500 stacker version fit in a new pin? What type of wiring harness is needed?

500 stacker has a bigger bill holder on it. Sticks in more. I'd look inside the game to see if anything hanging down from the playfield gets in the way.

Harness is alreay on the stacker and in the game.

LTG : )™

Not sure if the newer Pyramid 7000 series iirc ones would work as well. Less expensive than the Mars.

I *think* the Pyramid Acceptors model Apex 7200-U23-USA will fit and work.

http://pyramidacceptors.com/apex-7000/

I use mars, 500 stackers and just take the Dremel and remove the top corner of the bill cassette as they usually hit the playfield in the b/w games. Works like a charm.

Bill acceptors are a must, no doubt. I would suggest you keep an eye on both your top and bottom line. Unless you have an "A" location, you probably won't need a Mars acceptor. Nothing against the Mars as I have some of those too, just that it--rightfully so, is much more expensive than the Pyramid. I have used the Pyramid Apex 5400-U52-US and it works fine in newer Stern, can't speak for B/W. If you end up going with the Mars, Lloyd's advice is spot on in going with a rebuilt unit.

If you end up placing several or more games in one location, consider a change machine instead of acceptors on each game.

Make sure to put a security hasp over the coin door. I have been ripped off a lot. Pinball machine are supper easy to break into. Always had a Coin changer in most of my locations .

I personally think EVERYTHING at HAPP is way too expensive I would look on ebay as many people buy games with dba and have no use for them..Or buy rebuilt from reputable people. I too have changers at locations with several machines

Happ occasionally puts bill acceptors on sale.

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I have a AE2451 I removed from my WOZ when I sold it.
Lloyd helped me in picking this model.
I works great and was reprogrammed for the new $5s. Takes $1s and $2s as well.
I will send it to you if you pay for the shipping. If your happy with it, I'm asking $100. True, that's the average selling cost, but ebay won't let you try it before you buy it.
I trust you as a fellow pinsider to do the right thing once I know your happy with it.
If your not, just send it back to me, but you will be.
Make sure you have the connector like the one in my picture.
WOZ had this on the coin door. This is a up stacker model.
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Can you fit a mars 2000 on an entropy coin door (if vending an old b/w)? I always remembered having problems with that and having to use the old mars stackerless VFM-4s

Mike

I find that a change machine is a horrible idea. Quarters stuck in coin mechs are a non stop head ache. I go so far as to even block the slots.

The Entropy doors, as used on later WPC games, and all WPC 95 games (and anything else "modern" using the same door" are specifically designed for the Mars AE-2411.

The older Coin Controls doors (as used on TZ, IJ, TNG, etc) are designed for Dixie Narco USA-3 stackers.

Dixie-Narco is also known as ARDAC.

Are you using stock coin mechs or Immonex coin mechs? If you haven't tried Immonex, give them a chance.

I've got a theater location with all games using Imonex token mechs. They jam just as much as other mechs.

I’m gonna revive this old thread with some wisdom from Ken.

However, I’d like to ask about Data East machines. I never see them get mentioned.

I own several DE’s that I route, and they have a slot at the top of the coin door for a downstacker. What is the best one to use in this day and age? I don’t want to swap the doors, I’d buy a good downstacker and slap it in there.

I'd measure, downstacker or no stacker - dump bills into the cashbox with no top.

Check out MEI for validators.

LTG : )

My concern is with how they fit the bezel. Doesn’t the validator have to be a certain type to fit on a door like this? Or am I able to take any old MEI validator and put it on upside down? Because I was gonna do that

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To see if it fits - yes.

To see if it works, no idea if it will or not. You can try it. A bunch of bills to be sure it works good as it fills.

LTG : )

I’ll try it tomorrow. I thought it *had* to be a downstacker to work properly. My brief searches I didn’t see any MEI downstackers. Seems like that style isn’t widely used anymore.

Isochronic_Frost this a good idea and if you can set it to take bills 4 directions that will minimize frustration of the customer

If you have a “no stacker” mind the tilt and slam tilt. If you don’t collect often enough and it earns well you’ll…..you’ll see.

It doesn’t fit. The bezel is slightly too wide, by maybe 1/4” and the bolt patterns don’t line up.

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However you can see that if it DID match properly, it would just barely fit this door. It would be a tight fit.
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Wait just found this thread!
Lloyd saving the day from the past.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-bill-acceptor-do-i-need-for-sega-or-data-east-games

Is Pyramid Stackerless still a good option 3 years later?

Looks like MARS stacker less VFM 1, cheap on Ebay usually. $1's only.

LTG : )

Yes. Ideal if you want more than ones.

LTG : )

Looking on eBay and not finding any stackerless options.

I’d like to be able to accept 5s as well. Is there a certain model you’d suggest?

No. Check what is available and if your game has a harness for it, and the validator has a harness too. Pyramid tech support is great if you have to hard wire it in.

LTG : )

https://pyramidacceptors.com/pdf/Apex_Manual.pdf

Looks like Apex 5000 for you.

LTG : )

Awesome! I see a 5400 on eBay, ebay.com link: APEX BILL VALIDATOR 5400 PYRAMID

Does that look right? I’ll give it a whirl if so.

9 pin connector. Most likely 110AC. Price looks good. Updated to take more than ones.

LTG : )

Ask the seller for height. It might be too tall for your door.

LTG : )

Now I’m understanding.
So I can buy a different bezel to put on the face of that validator, looks like the VFM style #2 will work.
I’ll buy it and try it. Worst case I put throw it in a Williams pin maybe a soda machine.

Thank you for so much info! Yes, this one already has the little enable jumper on it. I usually buy the AE’s however I really want to slap a DBV on my DE games just to have it without swapping the door. It’ll take them half a year to get $500. It’s mainly just to snag the handful of people who don’t have change and cover for when the changers jam (happened last week. All 3 jammed and they’re not my changers)
I will buy the Pyramid, and report back. Interested in that Virtuo bezel you mentioned. What’s the model number for it? I also found some other validators that might work. Very tempted to buy a few and see what works and what doesn’t.

This is baby’s first time trying to put DBVs on the pins so I’m excited and overwhelmed. Thanks for the help, guys! Really hoping this boosts earnings on these old games. I already dislike that the custom currency doesn’t show fractional credits but 50¢ was killing me!

You'll do fine. And income should go up.

LTG : )

The opening on the DE is exactly 3” so a 2.9 is the ticket. It’s 1 15/16”
I’ve got the apex/pyramid and a parts VFM I found to test the fit. Couldn’t find any other DE’s that have this stupid style door. I will be glad to never have to deal with this particular style again.

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Did you ever find one that works?