Ok from this point on you are no longer allowed to complain about your LE until you ACTUALLY have it in your possession.

Seriously though, how can you say you are left feeling like a schmuck when you haven't even had the chance to experience the machine for yourself yet? The LE is awesome! You are going to love it! Yeah it may not have the obvious bling that say a STLE has, but if you paid what most of us did for it, it really is worth the 500-600 more than what we could have gotten the Premium for. Rest assured man! You got the better machine.

Those who actually thought Stern was not going to produce a premium were crazy. I got in a lot of arguments with people over this.....Here is some advice.......Wake up....Get a life….Oh and by the way Santa is fake! The premium is here to stay and if anything premiums are losing more value than LE's.

I ordered a Pro ,, had the Chance to get an LE , but the Banker & his LE are just down the Road .. If I had known Stern was gonna introduce the Premium ( they said NO ) i Would have it On order !!

All N all ,, TWD is a Fun Pin No matter which 1 U get or Have .. Just B Happy yr able to Own either !!

apparently you can not count to 2? That is how many times I have made any reference towards you in the past month. Trust me there is no following, but when you are constantly attention whoring it is hard to miss silly threads like this.

Jared, when you stop looking for attention constantly and trolling for reactions/comments while trying to use your online persona to "build your marketing company" then I will stop calling it out as the troll you are. You always have a secondary motive in most of what you say online and anyone paying attention can see right through you. Your time is better spent with contacting license holders and informing them their IP is not being used as you think is appropriate; at least then you can think of yourself as the great white hope that is here to save pinball.

Similar to this cocky thread to "warn" everyone. Same shit, different day with you and your antics.

Great points!!! I am going to follow your advice and chill till I get the machine. Gosh, I can't wait till Thursday...

Seriously you two, just get a room. It's like a couple of teenage girls. Put each other on ignore, and Pinside will be the better for it.

I'll give you $5k for it.

Oh yeah, you got guns. $5500.

Wait. I got guns. Back to $5k.

I already own an LE. $6500.

Ok, you can buy mine for an even $7500, not a penny less.

What were we discussing again??

If you like what is being offered now and you have the money, buy it. If you don't, don't.
Simple as that.

Close thread.

Why do you feel you have the right to know what Stern plans on doing in the future? Let me give you a hint, you don't. As long as they don't re-issue LE games (unlike another company that has) I don't see anything wrong with anything they have done to date. They have a long history of rerunning games and making a premium version of any game is well within their right. If you are unsure about buying a game because you are affraid of a future release you are probably buying it for the wrong reason.

Tiger! Keep us posted on your thoughts on it! Always nice to get a fresh reaction. From a nib opener!

Holy misdirections.

I didn't say it was a right. I said it was good business practice.

And it isn't about knowing their plans in detail It's about providing some basic information to their customers,... in some way generally acknowledging a product's current and potential offerings in an up-front manner on their own website (even if it is generic, qualified or has caveats). This general Stern information has historically been released through forum posts here or at trade shows. So such basic information should not be any big deal to put on Stern's website. Communication on their website to their customers is never be a bad thing. This isn't black bag stuff.

Obviously the 20 pages of threads on the TWD premium offering shows that many people have taken issue with what Stern has done in the TWD offering, though there are always a few dissenters.

And it isn't about being afraid of a future release. It's about educating people and especially new enthusiasts. Many new enthusiasts won't know the basics of a manufacturer's pinball offerings (and line-up) such as pro, le, premium and their actual/potential releases. Other enthusiasts have posted their surprise at this new method of machine offering from Stern as well.

I remember when being a great white hope was a good thing, now its looked down upon by those with misplaced guilt issues lol

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It Sure Look's GoOd thO !!

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Relax, it looks real cool now, but its gonna feel as cornball as CSI and 24 when the show is gone for a couple years!

Well thank you for being in this hobby for a year and cracking the code and letting us all in on how Stern operates with your own separate thread on this subject.

I feel I'd be lost without people like you.

Because we are all willing suckers, but knowingly willing suckers.

Not if many of them run up to $10,000 by x-mas

Will do bro. Supposedly the game arrives tomorrow...I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Stern has been around how long and pinside has been around just a few years. Stern has not "historically"announced things here. Stern historically issues press releases, those have been talked about here in the last few years

i'll take an LE for 5k. Now we are talking. My asshole doesn't feel as sore at 5k. Anything above that better start using lube.

Really? I have not found it to be as near as black and white as you suggest.

Obviously Stern issues press releases. However, in my research (so far) they don't contain much more than basic information. Whereas forum members here and related posts on the forum have had much more detailed and pertinent information in addendum or in lieu of the "official" press releases. Have you researched the forum for detailed Stern info versus press releases? I'd like to hear what people have found. In my limited research, there has been more info on the forum and relevant info than in the Stern press releases. And from what I've observed, it has been accurate.

And how "new" do you think this website is? PS has been around much longer than a "few years" from what I can tell in my internet research. Much of the modern pinball era as per the PS definition, with many many many Stern machine releases and with much related information directly related/relevant to the modern era. Certainly long enough to gain an understanding of current Stern practices over many recent years.

Have you seen the detailed forum info versus the basic press releases on the TWD theme machine(s), the differences between the information, and how the differences manifested over this theme release? And have you seen how TWD theme was handled differently from the previous modern era machine theme releases and do you know how? It has been specifically discussed... and the much-more specific forum pre-release information proved accurate over the limited and basic Stern press release information.

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Ive been here over 3 years PS has been around 5 or so. the detailed info you are referring to is not from Stern, what is here is talk about what is released from stern. Stern dates back to 1977, modern Stern goes back to 1999. Historically, Stern does not come to this site to announce things.

Yes. I know the stats of Stern and the PS pinball eras and used that info to accurately frame my previous posts.

And actually, PS has been around for 10 years (since 05), and the website was in development for many months before that. So yes, PS has been around for much of the modern era as I noted earlier.

I never said Stern comes to this site to announce things. That's beside the point, which as mentioned earlier is that forum members here and related posts on the forum as people at trade shows have reported much more detailed and pertinent information in addendum to or in lieu of the "official" [Stern] press releases on themes and upcoming models. Directly related to this thread, are old posts reporting that Stern was considering a premium TWD release at some point if sales of the model were good, though their press releases were conspicuously absent of that info. Many people missed that information from a few posts and as noted were surprised by the premium release suddenly after the LE machines sold out (first time that has happened as well).

really?? strange, since you said exactly that.

oh if you want to be technical about it the site existed since 01 there was not a forum until about 5 maybe 6 years ago. only the archive and game ratings until then. So as a medium for info dispersal from Stern, its has not existed for even most of "the modern era"

Wrong. Look at the first quote in its actual context.

Nowhere in that language does it directly state that general Stern information has to come from Stern. You are providing a baseless supposition on what is open-ended language in a single statement. Bad logic. By going further back in my posts in this thread you'll see the basis from which these statements occur, which frankly completely dispute the notion that I ever implied "direct from stern" posts on this website.

It's obvious that much accurate detailed information has been released on the forums here regarding Stern releases, attributed to Stern through members in those posts, prior to or in addition to any official Stern press releases.

nothing is released from stern to here, stern releases things, people here then post it ad talk about it. out of context, its a direct quote.

LOL, so being accurate and truthful is just a technicality.

Yes the forum is newer, but a forum isn't the only way to disseminate information. Who cares either. Ok, so for the past five years the PS forum is has been used to post and get more useful and accurate information on new Stern theme machines being (or going to be) offered, with more detail than from Stern press releases (regardless of who posts the info).

I can't help someone who doesn't understand what context means wrt a direct quote.

I never said Stern post things on the forum. I've said it multiple times now too. Quit going back to that. It seems you don't understand after multiple attempts by me to explain my position. Fine. Time to move on and stop the rehash. The community here is welcome to draw it's own conclusions one way or the other.

Dumb thread imho. Don't look at pinball as an investment and all will be well. Buy a game because you like it, not perceived value past present or future. Nothing stern does is universally perfect. All you have to do is compare this thread to any given 'when is x game VE coming'. For every person that goes over the edge because another premium shows up there's another that can't wait for a 'new' vault edition of a game to show up. Big deal, get back to enjoying the games instead of stressing over this stuff.

That depends Neo. You own guns?

We will remember how you place little emphasis on resale value when YOU sell.

99% of what I sell is to locals and virtually every time at a collector to collector price, almost never full 'street' value. So yes, please remember where the emphasis is I win some, I lose some, so be it. The point is, I don't buy a game and then spend the entire time owning it worrying if random thing X will come along and devalue it, nor do I get overly excited when the opposite happens. I spend the time I own a game enjoying it, if I want to invest there's a mighty long list of things better than pinball.

( it's the 'ignore' button.)

Well, we shall agree to agree then kind sir.
I dig yer attitude.

Well put. A great answer.

What makes you think lots of people are complaining about value/investment? There are a ton of posts on this thread but I see hardly anything about investment and value being an issue. I agree that investment/value is a weak concern or issue. However, this rollout caused other relevant issues to customers, as discussed.

I do, but Prefer to use swords.

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Played 100% out of the box last night. Great game