WTH you talking about willis. I bought a playfield from you at TPF last year, lol.

Any yes, you are hyping this like you do every new game you are selling. It is OK, you are a salesman... own it... but I am also gonna call it out when you are hyping this over priced turd. How much you gonna try and sell your diamond editions for?

Agreed.
Time will tell.
Let’s see how this all plays out after the product launch.

Actually looks really fun to me (Never played Seawitch). I’m really into the concept of updated single level games. Just wish there was an option for the regular Joes like me. Like a Pro level.

At $6K, I'm in for a Gold. At $7K, I'm out for any model and - I promise - I am the biggest Beatles fan on this forum. My pinball room is decorated with the main wall being a 6' by 9' Beatles picture. So i am a huge pinball fan AND a huge Beatles fan and I'm probably out on this. Luckily for Stern, they have the whole world to try to sell these to.

In the spirit of Levi's thread this is the only thing that has me excited about this version of Seawitch. I let my Seawitch go for this very reason and would like to play this pin to experience the loops. I'm a big Beatles fan but will have to wait until the secondary market if they are setting the pro at 8k

OK,backFlipper,when Paul sang about "Martha my love" Who was Martha????

Beatles fan-off.... it's on!

Are any of you seriously considering this if it anything more than standard PRO pricing???

It would have to be much less than standard pro pricing to get me on board.....

Does this give you time to look it up>FAIL!!!!

Martha Washington. He wrote it as a tribute to the first first lady of the USA......

I'm trying to look on the bright side of the situation. Of course I'm devastated, it took me days to get rid of the bewilderment of Stern's choices. I did say the secondary market and no I wouldn't pay over 4500 for what's presented so far, especially if the songs that are present do not play in full. I can't imagine hearing 15 or 30 seconds of the same song over and over again which was just rumored in the other Beatles thread. I'm just trying to get myself jazzed up for hitting some smooth loops.

Anytime you make something that is not for the people that use your product you better really know what you are doing. I keep seeing people say that The Beatles pin is not for us, it's for those super duper Beatles fans that just are tripping over money. People are not going to pay 8K or 15K or whatever for a pinball machine if they are not really into pinball. Sure you might get a couple of impulse collector buyers, but a couple does not mean 1964 sales or get even remotely close to that. I know 3 distros and as of a couple of days ago they had zero sales locked in for this game yet. It's going to be lucky to sell 500 much less 1964. It's foolish to think 1964 random people are going to want a pinball machine because it has The Beatles on it.

It's a pinball machine, it's made for pinball players. I'd personally love to have one. Just not going to happen at 8K though.

that is my thought. 4500 and I would think about it.

5400 and it is WAY to much.

glad to hear! I thought you had lost it for a minute
That said, sell me your seawitch if you do decide to lose it

But TNA at 6500 is ok?

Common sense I guess.

The Gold's are 8K, the platinum and Diamonds cost the distro's the same but will be sold for as much as they can make on them. You have to buy a 10 pack to get 2 platinums and 1 diamond and 7 golds. Buying 10 or more at a time is the only way for a distro to get the platinums or golds. I expect the songs will be well integrated and the game to be really fun. Pants will stay on, that's what belts are for. So people do already know the pricing, and not many people are biting at the moment. This is a completely different case then Supreme. Supreme was a tiny run directly through stern. The Beatles is going through Distro's and will be sold like any other stern.

Don't think this is the most highly anticipated license of all time. Sure some have been waiting for it, but it was never something that seemed to generate a ton of buzz within the hobby.

Maybe I'm wrong and it will sell out fast. It's going to take a lot of people changing their minds on Nov 6th though. Stranger things have happened.

All true, but JJP POTC has taken a hit in sales. I think it's due to the huge delays more then a spinning disc though. Peoples attention spans aren't that long. Some will circle back around now that its finally shipping.

Levi lovefest aside, Beatles fans can and would plunk down for this including my pop. He would love this alongside his classic car.

Its just just too steep to consider new at the “gold” pro level.

Where are you buying TNA for 6500!!! You need a better distributor!

6k to everyone else... If you honestly paid 500 more then anyone else, then I am not sure where to start?

That said, yes! I expect the worlds largest pinball manufacturer to be able to build something like this for a fraction of the cost it takes a boutique manufacturer building a truly limited game (550 vs 1964). This is also NOT a unique design and instead a reworked title, reskinned with a few small adjustments. They are using known assets on a licensed title. They have to created and design very little for this game.

No shit? Huh.... Learn something new every day.....

6K plus any add ons plus shipping. Get's you to $6500 or real close every time. Sterns games for the most part include shipping in their price so you can't just ignore that fact.

I sure hope so. Gets me a much better chance of a HUO gold in the sixes down the road.

He is seriously a short trip from picking up a game. Sorry, but shipping is on the buyer.

I dont pay for original cost of shipping on the secondary market when buying a used game, so it does not apply on the first timer either. That is the cost of buying a NIB pinball, not part of the cost.

That would be like trying to get someone to pay my tax on an in state purchase.

Yeah, but the song is called “Martha my dear”. Dude.

It does apply. Stern says a game is $5600 and that's what it is if you pick it up or have it delivered. Spooky games do not include delivery so that's an extra cost that I guess everyone but you factors into the total cost of the game.

Or Zach can take the very short 8hr one way drive to Benton like you recommend.

Yeah, if shipping really is $500 bucks, then a short trip to have some fun, document for the show, and pick up a game sounds like a blast! also a great deal to save on that much for shipping.

TNA is MSRP $5995 that is a fact jack

Paul's sheepdog.

Paul always writes about his dogs; Jet was a dog too

Don't tell anyone, they will expect you to sell it to them for $950 because your time, shipping, and boards are apparently of no value these days lol.

No doubt, that's all very true. But time, gas, hotels, finding a way to fit it in the schedule, etc all costs you something. So to me that's an extra cost because I can literally do nothing extra and have a NIB stern at more door Wed if I called today. That's not a negative on Spooky or AP or any of the companies that do not include shipping. Just something to consider if you are not local.

My only point was that you talk about Beatles being nothing more than a $4500 pin but you then highly recommend TNA at $6k plus shipping. I figured your argument may have been better supported if you compared pricing to another single level pin that you love.

Maybe its a balance with R&D / licensing fees, but it seems that when stern has a Golden licensed theme (like the beatles or star wars) they then chince on the layout since they know these games will sell regardless. But, when they have a theme that has a smaller market (Iron Maiden or Deadpool) they use a much more elaborate and enticing layout. It appears that the odds are against the player to have the stars align for a kick ass fun game that's also universally beloved theme. Cant wait to hear all those schoolgirl screams as an Ed Sullivan impersonator announces multiball. I'm assuming the game will have multiball . . .

an ORIGINAL vs a reskin...

I think he's saying that TNA has better music, so that's the difference in value.

Wikipedia sez:

The title "Martha My Dear" was inspired by McCartney's Old English Sheepdog, named Martha. McCartney has said that the song itself is probably about his longtime love interest Jane Asher. Asher broke off their engagement in mid-1968. McCartney chides her with the lyrics in the song "...when you find yourself in the thick of it, help yourself to a bit of what is all around you..." Asher inspired many of McCartney's songs, including "Here, There and Everywhere", "I'm Looking Through You", "For No One" and "We Can Work It Out". (A later "Martha" lyric explains, "You have always been my inspiration..." McCartney has also said that the song is about his "muse"—the voice in his head that tells him what words and music to write.)

4 ball multiball

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There's just no pleasing you

Let's cry about no Coin Door !!!

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How will I get my coins in the game?