Quoted from goatdan:From what I remember hearing, CSI and 24 are not that high - I thought those two had been relatively established, and I am pretty sure both were well under 500.
Sorry it wasn't clear, I originally used less than signs but they were stripped in the post... What I tried to say is the estimate for CSI/24/BBH is somewhere between 250 and 1000, but prod number for those are very debatable. I have also seen comments from those that claim they are in the know and even one Stern insider posted that BBH production was 1000...but I just can't find the evidence.
Lets take some examples of 20 year old games where you expect some losses over the years, more so than games made just 6 years ago. But lets assume no losses...
NBA Fastbreak. 4,414 produced, 222 owned by Pinsiders (5%)
The Shadow. 4247 produced, 598 owned by Pinsiders (14%)
Champion's Pub. 1369 produced, 207 owned by Pinsiders (15%)
Attack from Mars, 3450 produced, 735 owned by Pinsiders (21%)
Using the range of 5-21% ownership we get production number ranges as follows
24: 195-780
CSI: 230-920
BBH: 255-1020
Collector ownership with today's games tends to be higher than in the past... but even a conservative 10% Pinsider ownership rate my personal estimate comes in under 500 for each.
Quoted from goatdan:I remember when BBH and IM came out, someone with ties to the company had told me (and I honestly forget who) that those two games changed the fortunes of the company. I would assume that they were both at or close to 1k sellers, although I don't know.
That's the first I've ever seen someone comment that BBH was a hit with Stern... I've consistently heard the opposite.