Kudos for spelling "judgment" correctly.

"Dambed?" Not so much.

I'm aware of the supposed acceptance of spelling judgment a different way, and I reject it.

Did you know that "subpoena" can now also now be spelled "subpena?" I reject that "accepted" spelling too.

You haven't seen proof of it, and that's the *only* thing that matters.

Proof is in the pudding. By proof I mean that actual sales numbers of Stern pins goes down fairly significantly (that's what it would take to have any real impact). People bitching on a forum saying that they are done buying NIB pins from Stern is meaningless if Stern continues selling nearly the same number of pins.

Having said that, I completely agree with Greg about knowing a lot of people who normally buy NIB pins saying that they are "done" and they appear to be more resolute in their declaration of no more NIB this time around.

Still...if Stern reveals another pin that generates the kind of excitement that something like MET did when it was first released, I have a feeling that the vast majority of those "no more NIB Sterns for me" crowd will recant. It wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last.

Well, thats like saying "all the people that I know are voting for Clinton, even my Republican friends won't vote for Trump, and that's all the proof that I need that she is going to win the election." We all know how that turned out.

Anecdotal evidence is of very little value under almost any circumstance.

No, I don't believe that Stern can survive long term by selling a "handful of games" to the "mega wealthy hoarders." No evidence to support that they could, or would want to. They are a manufacturing company, who just moved into a larger facility. They are not a boutique company that has any desire to sell just a small number of pins.

Where does this "mega wealthy" thing come from? It's like people are so hyper pissed about the fact that Stern had the audacity to offer a super limited edition of a pin for a high price at $15k, that they assume that this is what every single pin that they are going to sell going forward will cost.

Most people here are of the opinion that the BM66 model is *not* going to be the pricing model for the rest of their lineup going forward. BM66 is a different animal.

When pricing is released for their next pin (Aerosmith?) we will get a better idea of how much more money Stern will be charging for their normal titles, including the pro model. Whatever the price is, I'm pretty sure that you won't need to be "mega wealthy" to buy it.

I forgot about that stupid price hike applying to old/sitting distributor stock. That's a crock for sure.

I guess they think that if the oil companies can get away with it so can they.

I used to make posts when WOZ was being released talking about how I would miss the creativity that goes into making great dots when all the manufacturers go to LCD. I was always in a minority and even accused of just being an obvious Stern defender and JJP basher for saying it.

I really do enjoy the big LCD screen on my Hobbit. But as much as I do enjoy it (the clips they use are actually very good), I will *still* miss the creativity that goes into making great dots. This was actually an area that was *not* a lost art form on a lot of newer Sterns, as the dots on pins like TWD are excellent.

And even though I think Hobbit integrates the LCD very well, they had some great looking HD material to choose from. Eye candy. Well, that's obviously not going to be the case in all pins going forward with the LCD. What kind of HD material will Stern have to choose from when it comes to Aerosmith for example? Pins like Star Wars and Alien will have great material to choose from though.

So I definitely have mixed feelings on the LCD. It can be pretty damn cool for sure, and it gives a more modern twist to pinball (something many people apparently really want), but great dots will always be something that I have great appreciation for.

Your post is a bit ironic considering that he has actually been one of the more optimistic and positive posters in this thread, which mostly consists of non-stop bashing of all things Stern.

Stern's FB page has a video of Lyman playing BM66.

...and Dead Flip on Twitch is live...

How many Stern pins have you owned?

That's what I thought.....

You were the one who dished out the personal attack on me for giving you a freaking thumbs down. Sensitive much?

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Stay classy.

You know what the best part is?

He says:

I ferociously attacked his posts recently?

I never responded to, or quoted, a single one of his posts (until after he made a personal attack on me for a downvote)!

I had the audacity to give one of his posts a thumbs down, so he went back and edited it, and talked about me giving a reach around and a thumbs down. So I guess a thumbs down = ferociously attacking his posts.

I'm just glad that now we've seen the video stream by Dead Flip that the discussion has finally moved past the issue of price.

Oh. Wait..

Thanks for clarifying that.

We weren't sure how you felt about the price until you made this post.

Thanks again.

Yep definitely looks to shoot better than either of those pins. Lyman took an average shooting pin in TWD and still made it great, so there may be more potential for BM66.

In Lyman We Trust.

You can go back to Tron for a pin he finished on his own time.

I think it would be rare for someone to have done this since:

Yes, Stern has replaced the bad node boards when they go bad.

Valid question of course, wasn't thinking of it from an OP standpoint. It seems that Stern has been replacing these when they go bad, but obviously they won't be guaranteed forever.

I thought Vid always told us that it was the wood underneath the clear that is what caused the dimpling?

I've never been too sure of that myself.

Then again, that magnet core being clear coated doesn't make sense. It wouldn't be there when they clear the PF.

Those pictures remind me of the dimpling that I had on my X-Men LE. I remember marveling at how incredible that PF looked when it was brand new. The clear coat seemed particularly wet, deep, and thick. After I started playing it, the dimples were more obvious than any pin that I had before or since.

Exactly Tom.

To this day, my XMLE is the worst pin in terms of dimpling that I've owned yet. And obviously XMLE was released several years ago, so it's not like it's only the new pins that have the issue.

My GOT Premium had some dimpling, but not too bad compared to XMLE.

GOT was not quite finished when shipped but it was very soon after, and from what I understand of GB it appears to be in that same category.

Mustang is another example of a pin that had finished code very soon after shipping.

Like you said, all of these could still have used some more tweaking for sure, but nothing of significance was missing.

The funny thing is that Lyman coded pins are the ones that take the longest time to complete code wise. Worth the wait vs going with one of the other coders? Probably!

Go say that in the Alien thread like I did and wait for the thumbs downs to fly!

I hear ya! I just wish that there was a little more acceptance of more critical discussion/questioning/suspicion than there is in that (and similar) threads involving pre-orders.

You like dimples?

He's not doing that.

In fact, Iceman signed your petition. In fact, Iceman said that you *will* get a resolution from Stern. In fact, he *never* bet against that happening.

I hope that pointing out those facts doesn't result in people claiming that I'm a "Stern apologist" as seems to be the popular thing on Pinside lately, but it is what it is.

Both of my TWD magnet cores have those dimples as well.

And guess what? So does my Iron Man, which is an original HUO IM, not a VE.