(Topic ID: 240825)

Batman 66 or JJPOTC LE


By Chimmen

5 days ago



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#1 5 days ago

Hi again, I have already ordered a Batman 66, I think it was middle of February. Got mail today, it’s gonna be even more delay. I will maybe get it in June. Parts missing for stern they say. So now I’m thinking. Should I wait for it. To cancel the order and Get me a Jersey Jack Pirates of the Caribbean LE instead ? What’s ur thoughts. I haven’t played either of them. And I can’t have both, already a Munsters Premium coming in May. 2 is all I have room for, always great to hear ur opinions. Thanks from Sweden.

#2 5 days ago

It will be hard to find a nib JJP POTC. As far as I know, JJP is finishing up the production and will not make any more. Most LEs have been sold. There may be a few Standard and CE editions still available. Batman 66 is a very cool pin too, great if you love the theme-very well integrated theme.

#3 5 days ago

Got me one I can buy NIB here in Sweden if I want .

#4 5 days ago

Both play great, but I prefer the Batman theme over POTC. I think Batman is timeless whereas POTC is not. My suggestion is to pick the theme you are drawn too. You won’t be disappointed with either.

#5 5 days ago

If you already own a stern I would switch it up and add a JJP pirates to your collection.

#6 5 days ago

I own and enjoy both as each exudes a great pinball vibe and is fun to play.

If I could only keep one though, it would be JJP POTC. The depth and joy of its gameplay is currently unmatched in my collection. A truly outstanding game!

Also FWIW: I'd take BM66 over Munsters every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

#7 5 days ago

I own both and it is very close. B66 is really deep, but the playfield is typical Stern, although one of the better ones. POTC is also very deep and the play field is amazing in terms of toys. Definitely a little more confusing game to learn, but once you learn the rules, it suddenly seems simpler. Really a toss up.

Can you cancel the Munsters? Buy it and play the heck out of it while you wait for the B66 to arrive and then sell it? Munsters is not even remotely in the same class as either of those games. I don't own it because I've played 40-50 games in the wild and it is hard to get very excited about it.

#8 5 days ago

I'd love to get a JJPOTC LE. BM66 is cool but not in the same category... IMHO.

#9 5 days ago
Quoted from Chimmen:

Hi again, I have already ordered a Batman 66, I think it was middle of February. Got mail today, it’s gonna be even more delay. I will maybe get it in June. Parts missing for stern they say. So now I’m thinking. Should I wait for it. To cancel the order and Get me a Jersey Jack Pirates of the Caribbean LE instead ? What’s ur thoughts. I haven’t played either of them. And I can’t have both, already a Munsters Premium coming in May. 2 is all I have room for, always great to hear ur opinions. Thanks from Sweden.

From everything I've heard POTC is a special game, but I haven't played it. I will say that I had high hopes for BM66 and it has exceeded them. In theory the weakness of Batman is that the layout is considered clunky and while I can see where some may find it so, I personally think it actually can flow pretty good once you get the shots down. Still, it's not dialed in and I assume from watching streams that Pirates is a smooth shooter too.

What I love about BM66 is that I actually feel like I'm doing something besides shooting flashing lights during modes. Lyman has created a master piece of theme integration where I really feel like I am capturing villains instead of shooting ramps,orbits and stand up targets. The powers granted for completing the minor villains is genius too. To top it off, not only is the code deep it's non-linear so no two games have to be the same. It's also highly accessible for non-pinheads and is even fun to watch other people play because of the way the LCD is telling an actual story instead of random clips. If you like the theme, I really don't see how you won't like the game unless you really hate the layout for some reason. I honestly could see BM66 being the rare keeper game even in a small collection (famous last words of course).

Pirates also seems non-linear with tons of modes, my only concern about that game is that the modes don't come across as very distinct. Plus with all the stacking of modes it seems to meld together in a giant multiball of everything. These perceptions are based entirely on watching streams though, so owners of the game will have a lot more useful info. Pirates does look like a fantastic game.

#10 5 days ago
Quoted from iloveplywood:

... Pirates also seems non-linear with tons of modes, my only concern about that game is that the modes don't come across as very distinct. Plus with all the stacking of modes it seems to meld together in a giant multiball of everything. These perceptions are based entirely on watching streams though, so owners of the game will have a lot more useful info. Pirates does look like a fantastic game.

POTC's 125 different possible modes (actually movie "chapters") are, admittedly, not as great as they could have been if JJP had been able to include audio and video from the movies in them other than the opening cut scene for each. The only real difference between each is which characters (of 22 possible), and how many, you need to shoot (each has a specific shot on the playfield) to complete the particular activated chapter. The more movie chapters you complete, of the five required to be played in order to start each movie's wizard mode, the more points that wizard mode will be worth.

While still challenging and fun, completing movie chapters is NOT the main challenge in POTC though (for me anyway). Rather, playing the game is like trying to effectively conduct an orchestra to create beautiful music (or score big points in this case). You're trying to set up and then activate multiballs in sync with completing chapters; win, activate, and use PIRATE lane awards (such as timed playfield or shot multipliers); collect gold to qualify Tortuga multiball; and do it all effectively to progress toward the wizard mode for each movie.

Throw in the pros and cons of each of the potential 22 characters you can play as; the 10 different levels of the Tortuga mystery award groups; the many possible combinations of the map awards; completing the treasure winning shots for Treasure Horde mode; solving and shooting bonus star map constellation shots; and the risk/reward of playing a side game of Liar's Dice; and you have a beautifully challenging, ever-changing mix of elements that provide a remarkable variety of strategies and gameplay options. All beautifully depicted on a playfield full of smooth shots and unique toys and mechs and depicted with fantastic graphics on a big backbox screen.

Ok - seems overwhelming I know, and it is at first. But as you get a few games under your belt, it all comes together wonderfully. I've owned quite a few Sterns, and they've all been fun games, but none (including the deeper code ones such as Batman 66) has equalled the total package that JJP POTC offers.

#11 5 days ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

POTC's 125 different possible modes (actually movie "chapters") are, admittedly, not as great as they could have been if JJP had been able to include audio and video from the movies in them other than the opening cut scene for each. The only real difference between each is which characters (of 22 possible), and how many, you need to shoot (each has a specific shot on the playfield) to complete the particular activated chapter. The more movie chapters you complete, of the five required to be played in order to start each movie's wizard mode, the more points that wizard mode will be worth.
While still challenging and fun, completing movie chapters is NOT the main challenge in POTC though (for me anyway). Rather, playing the game is like trying to effectively conduct an orchestra to create beautiful music (or score big points in this case). You're trying to set up and then activate multiballs in sync with completing chapters; win, activate, and use PIRATE lane awards (such as timed playfield or shot multipliers); collect gold to qualify Tortuga multiball; and do it all effectively to progress toward the wizard mode for each movie.
Throw in the pros and cons of each of the potential 22 characters you can play as; the 10 different levels of the Tortuga mystery award groups; the many possible combinations of the map awards; completing the treasure winning shots for Treasure Horde mode; solving and shooting bonus star map constellation shots; and the risk/reward of playing a side game of Liar's Dice; and you have a beautifully challenging, ever-changing mix of elements that provide a remarkable variety of strategies and gameplay options. All beautifully depicted on a playfield full of smooth shots and unique toys and mechs and depicted with fantastic graphics on a big backbox screen.
Ok - seems overwhelming I know, and it is at first. But as you get a few games under your belt, it all comes together wonderfully. I've owned quite a few Sterns, and they've all been fun games, but none (including the deeper code ones such as Batman 66) has equalled the total package that JJP POTC offers.

Yeah, it seems like a different approach to depth, but still crazy depth. I"m not even saying BM66 is better as I haven't played Pirates -- just on the surface I like BM66's approach of knowing what I'm doing at any given time (basically capturing a particular villain) as opposed to controlling the orchestra. Again, this is all just a theory for me so I should probably stop talking about it BM66 is just a perfect marriage of theme and code greatness for me so I'm absurdly high on the game. I'm certainly jealous of everyone with a POTC though as it looks great and unique too.

#12 3 days ago

Have them both and think they are both great. BM66 is cool to look at and has great code, but shoots like it was designed by gottleib. Lots and lots of clunky shots. The programming saves it.

JJPOTC is utter design and programming perfection. I have tried hard to find some fault with it and cannot. There are tons of shots and they are smooth and fast, The upper pf is the best upper pf i have ever played. The cannon just puts it over the top.

If u can’t descide, I would grab a pirates now. BM66 looks like it will be produced for quite awhile longer.

#13 2 days ago

I need more time on POTC but in summary it just feels like a game where there is lots to do. That's cool but can't say the game put a smile on my face when I played it. BM66 has that magic where things just come together and it's enjoyable to play even when you don't know exactly what you are doing. I get the desire to push the start button again on BM66 and not so much on POTC. However, it may be better to get POTC while you can if you have any interest in it and can afford it. If rumors are true and no more games get produced, more than likely prices will go up and it will become hard to find. BM66 should not be too hard to find down the road.

#14 2 days ago

My vote is for batman. Lyman code elevates this game.

#15 2 days ago

There is a method to POTC's seemingly madness. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of folks play a few games on it, are overwhelmed by all that it offers, and then write it off.

Once you understand the basic rule concepts, it will likely click for you. It definitely has a "one more game - push the start button again" appeal for me!

#16 2 days ago

JJPOTC by a mile, but don't wait too long as they are drying up fast.

#17 2 days ago

If you can get a jjpotc then do it. I wish i could....

#18 2 days ago

Thanks for the input from all of you guys. A NIB JJPOTC LE will come to me on Wednesday. I’m really looking forward to it. But I might get the Batman 66 in the future. Not just right now.

#19 2 days ago

You can't choose you're talking about two of the best game EVER!

You have to get booth. I think POTC is the best game ever made, it just has so much stuff put into the game, and the mods supplied by Mod Couple just put it over the top.

With that being said Batman 66 is still my favorite game to play.

You can't go wrong man wow what a choice!

#20 1 day ago
Quoted from Chimmen:

Thanks for the input from all of you guys. A NIB JJPOTC LE will come to me on Wednesday. I’m really looking forward to it. But I might get the Batman 66 in the future. Not just right now.

Whoa, congratulations! Glad you were able to score one.

#21 1 day ago

JJP POTC is the easy choice. I just played my friends CE last night. It just an amazing game.

#22 1 day ago

Cancel Munsters and buy both Batman and Pirates.

#23 1 day ago
Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

There is a method to POTC's seemingly madness. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of folks play a few games on it, are overwhelmed by all that it offers, and then write it off.
Once you understand the basic rule concepts, it will likely click for you. It definitely has a "one more game - push the start button again" appeal for me!

Unfortunately that’s the case with most of the games coded by Keifer. There’s a lot there don’t get me wrong but for me and it seems like a lot of people is when you step up to the game you have no idea what to do. There’s not “blinking light” to guide you what to do. You flail around for a little while do nothing start nothing and you end up no where and not understanding the game because you haven’t scratched the surface because there isn’t a big red arrow pointing at you tell you what to do. That exact thing was my biggest criticisms of WOZ before I bought it. I wanted it but had no idea of what to do. I wanted to like it but tried to play around figure out what to do and game up empty. It wasn’t until a friend of mine gave me the basics for emerald city and rescue multiball that the rest began to fall into place. But in saying all the above I love WOZ and I’m contemplating a JJP Pirates. I owned hobbit because I wanted to like it and played it for a few months before moving it on. The only one I can’t get into is DI but I’m pretty sure that’s me not being a fan of Lawler games but that’s me

And I guess that’s where Lyman programs for everyone. He programs something nice and easy to get to and he gives you that direction on the playfield somehow. Or there’s something so blindingly obvious in the game oh if I do this then something will happen. And then there’s something for intermediate guy and then there’s something for Keith Edwin and Bowen.

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