Awesome was it NIB or HUO, Premium with a signed card is a great bonus!

Which card did you get?

With each code update the hate will diminish, code version .65 to .75 has loads of subtle changes and with Bat-Turn it really made a big improvement and shows where the code/game could be heading.

Code drop would be awesome, I am genuinely more excited about BM66 code updates than SW.

Lyman is going to make this next update v1.0 now just to mess with you Vire

Any news on a code update?

I'm at work all next week so I would be happy if Lyman added another 2 weeks of content and code to BM66 before a drop, just hope the next update adds minor Villians of villain vision literally having the joker, riddler, penguin and co. taunting me and hearing their iconic laughs will be game changing for me.

Haha that's probably the best auto correct my phone has ever done.

Well at least it wasn't a spelling error on the playfields

They are all classic 66 logos, for some reason in the tv show they didn't use a single logo like the burton films did.

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The diecast models people are adding to their games that came on the SLE's does anyone know what scale they are?

Great thanks, it is what kept coming up online but wanted to double check, seems to be no difference between the 2008 and 2015 releases other than different packaging, although the 2015 bat boat seems more metallic.

Has anyone tried putting a better model of the Batmobile on the spinner yet?

A few of the hot wheels batmobiles differ in detail and show accuracy, they are all 1:50 scale though.

I have the Hallmark Batmobile has great detail, very show accurate.

It's a massive shame Hallmark didn't do the Batcopter with Batman hanging on the rope later with the Shark on his leg that would have been a must add to the game

I didn't realise eaglemoss did 1:50 scale BM66 models will have to check those out.

I will give them a look ideally I would like all the models to match in size/make.

It is 10.5cm long at a minimum (photos make the measurements look a little off it's angles of car, tape and camera top down with your own eyes it looks bang on 10.5cm) I haven't had chance to try it yet but here is a couple photos of the detail and length.

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The Premium (or Promium as it's been nick named) is the Pro with BM66, cannot see that ever changing, when the code is done it will reinvigorate sales and the Premium will be the one on the line.

Stern probably don't realise it, Lyman however does and takes pride in the games that have his name on them.

It wasn't Stern that got us masterpieces of coding like SM, AC/DC, MET, TWD, that was on Lyman and I feel confident he will come through again with BM66, I certainly hope so as BM66 has so much potential.

Stern really need him to aswell, I know some will jump in blind over and over again but BM66 sets the level for all future SLE releases if Stern wish to do it again and successfully they better understand that link between code and sales.

Pretty sure that was Micheal Jackson

Lyman is supposed to be at a show this weekend isn't he? Pintastic?!?

Last time there was a show Lyman/Stern dropped code either right before or during the show I cannot honestly remember exactly but pretty sure it dropped either just before the last big show over your side of the pond.

More hopeful than thinking.

But it seems Lyman likes to drop code before shows, whether that's for mass feedback on the update or maybe so he doesn't get jumped on by a bunch of Pinsiders asking about code

Has anyone got George or preferably Lyman on Facebook and could simply ask about the next update?

Would have been cool if Stern could have done what they did in 2015 (was 2015 the year the #whereisthecode thing was in full gear?)

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TWD was just over a year and a half wasn't it to get it complete? Well worth the wait in my opinion.

Please do, I would be greatful to know what they said if there was anything other than he's working on BM66 said, like maybe what Sterns next title is

Neil did George reply at all or simply like your post?

Good things!?

Oh man what a cliff hanger, Manimal your officially the biggest tease ever

Thanks Spock

I have faith man, I brought BM66 on the fact Lyman was coding so there's my faith in him. Still doesn't change the fact your a tease haha

This week before Pintastic would be great, Lyman last update dropped just before expo?

After watching the SW stream I'm even happier with my BM66LE, won't be rushing out for SW.

Pintastic starts today hopefully Lyman has been busy adding a tonne of stuff and we see a code drop today, last update dropped a day before/day last expo started so hopefully we see a repeat of that.

Plus some people have said Lyman is attending Pintastic, surely he would drop code so he doesn't get mobbed by people asking about BM66 code

Saying that if we don't get code today make sure you guys that are going mob him and pin him into a corner so you can ask him

I agree, I'm waiting until end of today, a show like Pintastic is a great place to get a lot of feedback on a code update, good, bad and bugs.

Plus as much as I was joking above I am sure there are people that wouldn't be afraid to whine and pester him in person which wouldn't be cool, this whole BM66 code issue is George's doing Lyman is most probably working as fast as he can to deliver another masterpiece.

That right there is exactly why Lyman is worth waiting for.

It's the little touches he adds that makes you work the playfield and make the risk/reward feel natural and fully integrated, that sets his rules apart.

GOT is great but bashing the ram over and over in order to get multipliers is classic pinball wood chopping.

Not once have I felt going for the Atomic pile or Commissioner target is chopping wood or repetitive just feels part of the natural progression and it's a tonne of fun when it goes right and frustrating as hell when it goes wrong

Well no game code dropped which was pretty disappointing. If anyone with a BM66 is attending Pintastic and if Lyman is there as people have said he might be attending, maybe someone could ask him.

Obviously don't hound him but anyone who's attending could politely ask Lyman what's the plan for BM66 code, more likely to get an honest answer from him than George, fact he just liked a Facebook post by NeilMcRae and gave no response was lame!

I wouldn't worry Jody read your comment pretty quick and ignored it even quicker

MET & TWD, took what just under a year and a half for Lyman to finish? Maybe he's finishing BM66 in one big drop? I sure hope that is the plan, at this point it's the only explaination.

In the Premium's defence it's got a lot more on it than most pros these days. I love everything about the game except this wait on code which at this point is really souring the who owners experience with this title.

Just got done watching the 66 movie, there is a tonne of awesome scenes that would make great clips inserted into the game, obviously via pinball browser

I have, I dropped my SWLE and couldn't be happier. But what's one person, at the end of the day it requires a lot of us to sit back and say no thanks Stern not until you step your game up!

Rumour is the next Kapow will be Munsters or Beatles, surely if Stern have any sense (which is questionable at this point) they need to get BM66 in good shape if they want future SLE models to be successful?

It is tragic really just how bad Stern are at customer service and social media interaction with their customer base.

SW might look deep but it also looks very familiar to GOT, there is no way Dwight has done GOT, GB & SW back to back from the ground up, not taking anything away from Dwight as he's a great programmer but at a guess I would say he did GOT moved into GB which is very one dimensional and now we have SW which to me seems a tweaked/refined GOT.

I don't think Lyman has had the same luxury, GOT was SPIKE maybe it wasn't too hard to port that to SPIKE 2, Lyman closest code to port for this game is probably BDK but that was SAM so maybe he's had to do this from the ground up?

None of us really no, only thing we do know is the code situation is now unacceptable and I'm no longer a NIB Stern buyer as a result of it.

It's only going to get worse for Stern as the competion grows.

Once JJP is at least releasing 1 game per year and they start throwing out some hit themes that's going to hit Stern Premium & LE sales hard imo.

And we have CGC going from strength to strength to strength, what they have achieved from MMR to AFMR is remkarbale abd AFMR is getting ALOT of love - build quality, customer service, code - ironically compared to Stern who are borderline a distaster at all 3.

Throw in Spooky, American pinball and maybe Heighway and Stern will begin to bleed sales slowly and if they don't change they will be hemorrhaging sales uncontrollably.

Probably more profit in Elvira 3 than BM66, sooner we all start telling Stern we are not happy by keeping our wallets closed the sooner we will start getting better code/finished products.

Never have truer words been spoken on this site

Any chance you can share what you where told or saw?

That is what makes the wait bearable but it also makes the wait frustrating, because it's clear how good this game could be providing Lyman is given the time to complete it, to his desired vision.

He made SM an absolute classic and TWD but he shouldn't have to do it on his own time, I appreciate him massively for doing so and couldn't thank him enough for his dedication.

I believe that's why Lyman has on more than one occasion finished a title off in his own time, I am sure someone has said he often gets a game to take home, unless that's just a hearsay!?

He certainly finished up SM on his own time and looking at the time frames there is a good chance he also finished up MET & TWD on his own time too, he clearly takes pride in his work and more than anything he loves to play, so if he does get a game to take home that's added incentive to make it badass for his own personal collection.

It's mind boggling just how bad Sterns marketing and social media departments are. Those departments should be on this especially when you have a known issue effecting sales, get on it and address it, instead Stern think radio silence is how to deal with 90% of things

Looks great doc! Love the Gotham City sign too that's a nice touch and makes perfect sense in the shooter lane.

I had seen it before, I thought it was a mod made by ULEKstore

C'mon manimal, what where you told and shown? your like the only one in here who's feeling positive recently

Sounded like you did while you where at the factory but so far you have avoided any direct questions about it what you saw or where told.

I am not trying to be confrontational but can you say what you saw and heard or where you sworn to secrecy? Would just be good to share info with fellow owners and lift some spirits Stern themselves certainly are not making BM66 a particularly enjoyable/rewarding experience.

Sounded more like you where at the factory or a show (face to face part) and had seen/been told things, maybe I read into it more than you intended but it certainly didn't sound like it was just faith in your post above.

Doc I think there is a tv accurate one already out there, I thought someone had posted it in this thread, but I can't find the post now

Something I noticed on my LE the other night compared to all my other games, just a couple small trivial things, did anyone else get a BM66 keyfob and a coin door decal?

I don't have either only just noticed the coin door decal was missing compared to my other games when I was looking at it thinking about getting it powder coated.

Sucks there is no new code but didn't Stern say they wont release code again on Fridays in case of bugs?

Has anyone else been getting intermittent problems with their backbox LCD?

At least we got something around the lockdown button, SW owners get squat! which is ridiculous in my opinion, its such a simple thing but it adds a lot to the overall finished look of the games with lockbar buttons.

Hmmm, wonder if he has been holding the code off until Pinburgh? Lyman was supposedly attending Pintastic but no one saw him, in the past he has dropped code prior to shows he is attending...

Yeah buying him a beer in person is a better way to ask a cheeky question about the code, buy him 10 beers and you might even get him to spill everything he has planned for the code

I don't have any of those decals

Looks like I'll have to add that to my list of issues

Yeah LE #110 here, which is sweet as its a double villain episode

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I have a couple of issues with my LE that Stern are already dealing with me direct to resolve, so next time I get an update on those issues I'll mention it.

I just assumed like the coindoor decal we just didn't get a goodie bag with BM66, that was until I saw yours.

I noticed the other night when I was looking at my LE next to other recent Sterns that BM66 doesn't have a coindoor sticker, so I asked if anyone else is missing it, everyone who replied said they don't have one either so BM66 clearly didn't come with a coin door decal, that's what's being referred to.

Pretty f'in tight on Sterns part to scrimp on the little things that finish off the look of a game on this title given the price tag!

I don't think any BM66 has a coin door decal, certainly should do for the price.

Funny how these little details we have probably taken for granted in the past make big difference on the overall finished look of the game.

It's like SW having no decal or plate around the lockbar button it something so simple but it makes a massive difference, I think SW looks sh*t without any sort of surround for the lockbar button.

I have a design in mind that would work well with the Franchi art - basically coping assets he has used so it gels with the games art.

But to get it looking exactly like factory how do Stern print these decals? There is always a blurriness/pixelated look to Sterns coin door decals - at least the ones I have on older Sterns. Or do the newer ones have a clear HD look to them like the cabinet decals?

Goodie bag or coin door decal? Pretty sure Stern haven't made a coin door decal for BM.

I don't think he has anything to do with goodie bags or coindoor decals Neil

That is awesome! Literally what I was thinking or a copy of the topper like on the front of the SLE cab. Is he offering them out or for sale??

Can you not just unplug it?

Don't forget the implementation of Villian Vision, Gomez said that will be used to taunt the player, it was one of the features that sold me on the game, love the idea of the villains taunting me as Batman/the player, so many iconic taunts, lines and laughs from the shows villians.

Hope there is code this week, would be great to have it before Pinburgh so people can thank Lyman and biy him a beer or beers if the code is awesome.

Or being a little more selfish early next week as I'm off work next week Wednesday to Friday so perfect for new code Tuesday night

Yeah I agree with others, its great to see this communication from George, I just hope its real and if so there is a genuine truth in what George has said.

Pretty much all of us brought into BM66 because Lyman was coding and there is no doubt he will make this a top 10 Stern imo!

You brought him a sh*tload of beers and got him to spill the beans about the code yet Neil?

I get your frustrations with the code Vire, we are all frustrated but just trying to keep each other's spirits high, we may have to wait longer than we want to but Lyman will come through for us that I believe.

But I don't believe Lyman has been on BM66 for 7 months like you think he has.

BM66 wasn't playable at release or even after it for a good month or so? Then look at the code updates we have had, couple of small updates initially, then V0.70 on March 22nd contained a huge Spike 2 OS update, which shows Lyman was still working on getting Spike 2 complete? maybe just optimised?

So at best he has maybe been on BM "full time" since the end of March? so that's 4 maybe months max!?

Agreed, I often think Lyman revision number is more for himself than us, he may work on an update and have 3 or 4 revisions of it before its released to us, so for his own reference calls its v1.20, 1.25, 1.30 etc depending on the code and content he adds, I honestly don't give a sh*t what the update number is, content is king!

Is there a mantis protector for BM66 yet?

If not is there a BM66 owner local to him that could help with making a protector?

Ice can you go into your service menu and go to Node board test? I am pretty sure that screen shows you, your node board switch settings. If hank and mark are near there games they could do the same and compare?

Could be handy incase something isn't registering correctly from the board the cpu? I don't know I'm just guessing, but if physical switches are the same on your game and hanks and switches match up in menu, it rules out any guess work for Ice.

I am at work tonight but I'll check mine once I'm back with my game.

I think it tells you what the boards are for dude, sure they where named when I was flicking through mine the other day.

Odd I am pretty sure mine said topper, hopefully hank and mark can check since they are at home.

Maybe process of elimination, if #8 is the only one not named that's your boy.

I will check mine in the morning and also give my mate a call for you dude and post up physical settings and service menu settings.

I was certain it said Topper Node board, as soon as you said yours doesn't I had a feeling something was wrong.

Pretty sure mine is the same as Marks, Node boards 10, 13, 24

Only reason I remembered was because I was comparing how many node boards BM66 had compared to AS.

Ice any chance if your registering node boards #11 & #12 (which none of us seem to have) instead of #13 that the board Stern gave you is the wrong one? Does your board look the same as MK & Taz?

I think you have already had one to many if your seeing extra node boards

iceman44 3 switches in diagnostics here, up, down, up, so same as the guys above.

I have been off the last week and a half, what with school holidays, back to work next week, working away for a week and a half so code is bound to drop this week giving me over 2 weeks before I can play it

I guess the longer it takes the longer Lyman is working on the code?

Or at least I hope so, because at this rate it could potentially be one almighty update or like SW after all the hype and wait disappoint us.

I know Lyman will not disappoint once we have complete code, but the longer this drop takes the more I'm expecting and that's only because I am genuinely excited for the potential of BM66, what's already there entertains me more than AS Pro and everything I have seen of SW.

Just like jfh says in the post above, I have also heard Lyman is fully committed to BM66 and is working as good as 100% on the code.

We should have all forgotten about George's 2 week code promise, I am sure he's felt more than enough embarrsssment from that verbal PR blunder and as VP of game development the comment has shown he is clearly out of touch with that part of game development, which I'm sure has furthered the embarrsssment on his part.

Regardless the people that are in the known are saying a big update is coming and I have no reason to not believe them as they all have skin in this game.

After watching the SW Premium stream last night, it left me feeling even more confident I made the right purchase.

Big BM66 fan and huge SW fan, jumped on BM66 ahead of SW because Lyman was coding and because of the limited availability, wanted the LE for its extras.

Was always worried I'd wanted SW more but after seeing the Premium, BM66 is the better game imo, when it comes to theme integration BM66 knocks SW out the park.

There is a video that shows early playfield designs for SW, looks like there was a magnet in front of the 3 bank and rumours where pretty strong that it was going to be a motorised 3 bank. Guess there was some changes for whatever reason.

Was just about to say the same thing.

Lowering BM66 premium price would certainly be something worst considering but then you risk alienating all your earlier adopters.

The best route for them might be to include the Premium topper with a game
NIB, some incentive that will alienate as few of your earlier buyers.

I don't know about the end for Stern, they have certainly pushed away a lot of their most loyal customers with all the QC issues and the it's an acceptable part of normal production BS!

Add on top of all that non communication of code updates with their first and hugely failed imo venture into boutique/SLE runs, they have certainly made going forward harder for themselves than it had to be.

Biggest case in point is SW! If your struggling to get SWLEs physically sold out at the distributors and into customers hands there are big problems, there are not many licences bigger than SW it should be an easy sell, but a lot of Sterns previously loyal and routine NIB buyers have backed out of SW, at the end of the day that shouldn't be happening.

Stern can win us all back, worryingly though do they even know how and will they even try!?

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Pro and Premiums also have all the audio and visual assests the LE does, just for a whole lot less money.

I think its also good people are dropping out LEs and showing Stern this shit isn't sticking any longer, you want to charge more well I expect a little more. BM66LE & SWLE cost the same here in the UK, BM66LE is "loaded" compared to SWLE, Ironman, Avatar and BBH used to be the poster boys for Sterns stripped games, but SW has less than all of those.

Sorry RD that's what I ment by sold out, games out of stock at distributors, at some point once the distributors are pissed off enough and have been burnt on more than one title that should have been a guaranteed sell out, will those distributors have the same faith to buy up and sell out the next title from Stern?

Yeah Stern said they wouldn't be releasing code on Fridays, guess it's incase of any game breaking bugs etc.

Waiting for this code update reminds what it's like to be a kid at Christmas, never been so excited about a code update, shows just how good BM66 is already as my excitement is based on the games current potential to be one of Sterns best.

If they don't add a lot of footage of Batgirl in general gameplay, then I would like to see a Batgirl mode implemented like Bat-Turn.

For anyone that knows the show like the back of their hand (looking at you doc) are there many episodes where Batgirl saves Batman & Robin from the shows cliffhanger villain traps?

A rescue Batman & Robin mode, giving us a chance to play from Batgirls POV would be pretty cool!

Yeah the insert isnt a problem, Lyman surprised us with Bat-Turn, so if it's a mode like that I would be more than happy with that, the more modes and the more audio/visual assests crammed into BM66 the better!

Purple inserts, isn't Penquin purple? Might have to use another colour but a mode like bat turn regardless of insert colour would rock!

First of all Jim, I would try and track down an LE. the extras are genuinely worth it imo and from someone who hates toppers the LE topper is simply awesome!

There must be at least one NIB in the hands of a distributor somewhere, or maybe search for one being sold. If that fails then I would get the premium, only topper I have seen is the official Stern one and it kinda sucks.