Quoted from Yelobird:

Thank you #Doc. I do hope it’s not major but I’ll give your direction a try. Umphh. At least it is still playable for what that’s worth. I will update all on what happens for public record.

Quoted from thundergod76:

Why would you not want extra balls that you earned?

Quoted from docquest:

Here's a pic of old vs new LCD. Maybe the addition of the nylon washers was enough of a change to bump the revision from A to B. I'm assuming current machines use the B rev.

Quoted from PinMonk:

The screened board revision didn't change, but they may have changed the programming on one of the chips, which wouldn't affect the screened number, but would change the board revision overall. Metallica magnet boards were like that.

Quoted from docquest:

Perhaps they disabled the "random board destruct during code update" parameter.

Quoted from MK6PIN:

While we're talking about that screen....has anyone taken a ball hit or 2 up there? I have, and actually tried to clean it once, causing very slight scratching...any thoughts?

Quoted from jfh:

Don't hit any balls up there....

Quoted from MK6PIN:

While we're talking about that screen....has anyone taken a ball hit or 2 up there? I have, and actually tried to clean it once, causing very slight scratching...any thoughts?

Quoted from jfh:

In all seriousness, I'm worried about that too. Thinking of buying a spare LCD screen assembly for backup.

Quoted from docquest:

Here's a pic of old vs new LCD. Maybe the addition of the nylon washers was enough of a change to bump the revision from A to B. I'm assuming current machines use the B rev.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Ok, while still no luck with my nod 24 issue (email off to Chas at Stern) after checking Every plug from top to bottom and no luck. There have been a few posts about the mini TV screen scratches, how to clean, replacements etc I thought I could answer with my tear down research on Node board 24... No need in my opinion to buy spare TV's. Access to remove the front plastic is Very simple with 2 screws holding the TV mount, and 3 securing the board to hold the screen in. After removing the screws the screen in question is a simply clear playfield type plastic. Remove it and polish it up with some Novus 1 or your favorite solution of choice. All very simple as the TV comes off completely with one cat 5 plug so you can sit at your table and work on it. Buff it out and assembly doesn't take more than 5 minutes with a single Philips screw drive. Hope this helps.

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

dumb question but do the small numbers on the gadget targets represent?

Quoted from Yelobird:

Ok, while still no luck with my nod 24 issue (email off to Chas at Stern) after checking Every plug from top to bottom and no luck. There have been a few posts about the mini TV screen scratches, how to clean, replacements etc I thought I could answer with my tear down research on Node board 24... No need in my opinion to buy spare TV's. Access to remove the front plastic is Very simple with 2 screws holding the TV mount, and 3 securing the board to hold the screen in. After removing the screws the screen in question is a simply clear playfield type plastic. Remove it and polish it up with some Novus 1 or your favorite solution of choice. All very simple as the TV comes off completely with one cat 5 plug so you can sit at your table and work on it. Buff it out and assembly doesn't take more than 5 minutes with a single Philips screw drive. Hope this helps.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Update for anyone interested. My "Node 24 not found" is apparently not a plug issue? Chas (love that Stern service!) is sending me a new TV or board (?) and said they had issues with that board. Sooo, luckily the game still works just no little TV which isn't the end of the world for now. My Star Wars Premium is coming today to hold me over until the bat cave is remodeled with a new TV. lol

Quoted from Macca101010:

In regards to the crane, I'm hoping the continuous left to right sweeping occurs in a further update similar to how it occurs in BTDK.
That would make it more fun as well.

Quoted from cooked71:

Somehow I think if us hacks have thought of it Lyman is already there. #InLymanWeTrust.

Quoted from DavidPinballWizz:

Played 0.86. Holy Batman this machine is incredible! 5 balls + 1 extra (hard lock settings, no stacking)
Scoring looks more balanced now .
Lighted season 1 insert (competed king tut) and season 2 insert (I believe I completed Shame). Also played supervillain with the superjackpot. 40 combos
Was trying to go for something season 3 but had to complete the remaining ones first in season 1 and season 2.

Quoted from colonel_caverne:

Yep season 1 is lighted when king tut completed. I did it too (so I am sure of that!)
Can so explain me what is the story of season 1,2,3? I do not know this show, and i don’t really understand why when you finish a specific minor villain mode you light these inserts. So Why 3 of them would not light anything when completed?

Quoted from thundergod76:

There were 3 seasons total during the show's run. My guess is one minor villain in particular will be assigned to each season. When all 3 seasons are lit you'll get another wizard mode similar to Villain Escape. Just my guess though. Lyman may have something completely different in mind.

Quoted from thundergod76:

My guess is one minor villain in particular will be assigned to each season.

Quoted from Yelobird:

Ok, while still no luck with my nod 24 issue (email off to Chas at Stern) after checking Every plug from top to bottom and no luck. There have been a few posts about the mini TV screen scratches, how to clean, replacements etc I thought I could answer with my tear down research on Node board 24... No need in my opinion to buy spare TV's. Access to remove the front plastic is Very simple with 2 screws holding the TV mount, and 3 securing the board to hold the screen in. After removing the screws the screen in question is a simply clear playfield type plastic. Remove it and polish it up with some Novus 1 or your favorite solution of choice. All very simple as the TV comes off completely with one cat 5 plug so you can sit at your table and work on it. Buff it out and assembly doesn't take more than 5 minutes with a single Philips screw drive. Hope this helps.

Quoted from MK6PIN:

...but the ball strikes were on the screen itself, as well. Troublesome, and something to think about moving forward.

Quoted from thundergod76:

Think of SW owners. They have nothing shielding those LCD screens.

Quoted from thundergod76:

Think of SW owners. They have nothing shielding those LCD screens.

Quoted from thundergod76:

Think of SW owners. They have nothing shielding those LCD screens.

Quoted from ATLpb:

Batman club. Not a SW hate club. SW is also a great game. A must have game. I have had and played a handful of SW machines already and never seen a ball hit the screen, not once...
I finally got my trough boards and will be able to hopefully fix and install 0.86 for a few games before putting back into the wild. Very much looking forward to it

Quoted from jsa:

We are playing a game with a TV set on the actual playfield, after all. I expect ball strikes on everything! The bigger question is what the longer term impact to the screen will be over time.

Quoted from Trekkie1978:

I must say, I'm a bit shocked that these don't come up for sale in the community.
Every other game always has people selling, but not this one.
Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing.

Quoted from jfh:

The secondary sales market for Batman is actually playing out like I expected.
Resales were going to be comparatively low no matter what because sales were low. There are a number of reasons for that:
1) SLEs. Even though the number of SLEs jumped from 30 to 80, they can not be considered a "normal" game for the secondary market. Demand was higher than expected and most who bought SLEs did so intending to keep the game long term.
2) LEs - Unlike other Stern LEs, the Batman LEs are actually limited (240). It has Stern's best topper ever and many consider it to have the best art package. If you sell an LE and later decide you want the game back, it's going to be tough.
3) Initial production/sales of Premiums were disappointing, if not dismal. Games sat in inventory for a long time and dealers did not reorder. And that's with many buyers giving Stern the benefit of the doubt because Lyman was doing the code!
Number 3 was impacted by the next two factors:
4) Pricing. The game was priced higher than any Stern game before it. There was no Pro model (though you could argue the Premium is the Pro). It was also the first game really impacted by the Stern crackdown on distributors discounting games so the vast majority paid list rather than street prices. Initial demand may have also been tempered by concerns that the playfield quality issues in previous games hadn't been addressed.
5) Perception of code status. The Expo reveal was literally a box of lights. The game was very basic 6 months after reveal and didn't begin fleshing out until almost a year after. This was the height of the vireland code hysteria and where people started doubting their purchase. There were a fair number of secondary market sales during this time.
Those that didn't sell during this period were either in the (a) not likely to consider selling anyway camp or (b) willing to wait a bit longer to see how the code would turn out. As the code got better and better and we began to see the direction the game was taking, some in the (b) camp moved to (a). I suspect many of the remaining owners in (b) are now in the "I've waited this long, I'll wait to see what the 1.0 code looks like" before deciding what they are going to do.
6) People are beginning to realize that the code is getting good and that Batman may have the best audio/video integration of any LCD pin. Full rights to use footage from every episode and custom callouts from West and Ward to complement a design where the game plays through episodes of the series. Contrast that to the concerns about GOTG, SW and JJPOTC.
I think #6 means that we are going to see more demand for the game that will most likely be filled by more production runs of Premiums rather than secondary sales.
I think this is a good thing. But I'm also one that figured Batman 66 was a long term permanent addition to my collection as soon as I saw the game set up in my game room ...

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

With code being continually updated as promised people arent jumping ship 'early' like they did with KISS et al.

Quoted from jfh:

The secondary sales market for Batman is actually playing out like I expected.
Resales were going to be comparatively low no matter what because sales were low. There are a number of reasons for that:
1) SLEs. Even though the number of SLEs jumped from 30 to 80, they can not be considered a "normal" game for the secondary market. Demand was higher than expected and most who bought SLEs did so intending to keep the game long term.
2) LEs - Unlike other Stern LEs, the Batman LEs are actually limited (240). It has Stern's best topper ever and many consider it to have the best art package. If you sell an LE and later decide you want the game back, it's going to be tough.
3) Initial production/sales of Premiums were disappointing, if not dismal. Games sat in inventory for a long time and dealers did not reorder. And that's with many buyers giving Stern the benefit of the doubt because Lyman was doing the code!
Number 3 was impacted by the next two factors:
4) Pricing. The game was priced higher than any Stern game before it. There was no Pro model (though you could argue the Premium is the Pro). It was also the first game really impacted by the Stern crackdown on distributors discounting games so the vast majority paid list rather than street prices. Initial demand may have also been tempered by concerns that the playfield quality issues in previous games hadn't been addressed.
5) Perception of code status. The Expo reveal was literally a box of lights. The game was very basic 6 months after reveal and didn't begin fleshing out until almost a year after. This was the height of the vireland code hysteria and where people started doubting their purchase. There were a fair number of secondary market sales during this time.
Those that didn't sell during this period were either in the (a) not likely to consider selling anyway camp or (b) willing to wait a bit longer to see how the code would turn out. As the code got better and better and we began to see the direction the game was taking, some in the (b) camp moved to (a). I suspect many of the remaining owners in (b) are now in the "I've waited this long, I'll wait to see what the 1.0 code looks like" before deciding what they are going to do.
6) People are beginning to realize that the code is getting good and that Batman may have the best audio/video integration of any LCD pin. Full rights to use footage from every episode and custom callouts from West and Ward to complement a design where the game plays through episodes of the series. Contrast that to the concerns about GOTG, SW and JJPOTC.
I think #6 means that we are going to see more demand for the game that will most likely be filled by more production runs of Premiums rather than secondary sales.
I think this is a good thing. But I'm also one that figured Batman 66 was a long term permanent addition to my collection as soon as I saw the game set up in my game room ...

Quoted from DavidPinballWizz:

Batman is a gem and so good on the video, sound and rules integration.
I hardly know batman 1966, i dislike the newer batman movies but I love this pin and seriously consider ordering a premium.

Quoted from jfh:

The frequent updates only happened early on and in the last couple months. In between we saw the bulk of secondary sales so far.

Quoted from jfh:

And, for most people, jumping ship 7-12 months wouldn't be considered 'early'

Quoted from jfh:

And, for most people, jumping ship 7-12 months wouldn't be considered 'early'

Quoted from jfh:

I think #6 means that we are going to see more demand for the game that will most likely be filled by more production runs of Premiums rather than secondary sales.