First post of this thread. Bottom of the flyer.

Well it does say it right at the bottom of the flyer that was posted by GAP. I think that flyer was on Stern's facebook as well.

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Its not very good, I tried to watch it and it didn't last long, most of these guys grew up with so it has sentimental value with the emphasis on mental

Where/when was this mentioned?

If that happens, I drop my LE order in a heartbeat.....guaranteed....I will get a definitive answer from someone at the show, and call my distro immediately if the case....don't give a shit how the game plays or looks at that point.

LE's sold out, and there was a wait list, with many distributors not even able to get one. This is what I was told, read, and believed. Time to change the story is not AFTER people put 2k down......I'll just believe this is more Pinside BS, and ignore until next week.....

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/batman-66-by-stern-new-info/page/73#post-3387486

Click on the link and play the interview with Gary Stern. Skip to 21 minutes

Whoops, Yeah you are right

That promo flyer is not on their Facebook i just checked. They could deny that its official because it wasn't posted by them. BUT
The guy running Facebook said it was 30 multiple times. Check picture

Don't think people that applied will be happy about this but I guess Stern can do whatever they want, since they haven't taken deposits for the SLE. Doesn't mean people will be happy about it though

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Gomez told me they had WAY more than the 30 people apply. Seems to me they've called an audible at the line.

Omaha!!

The interview is with Gary stern and he says explicitely that there will be 80 SLE's. On the flyer is definately only 30 SLE's. That is what I think is BS and therefore I would not be surprised if they decided to also make more LE's. But that last comment comes solely from me as I think I also made clear in my original post and comes from being a little pi..ed off that they suddenly drop the fact that they are making more SLE's than announced.

I just posted on their site to see if they could provide clarity....

Enjoy your ban.

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You and me both.

Going from 30 to 80 is Jpop MG style. Bunch of BS. Stick to your F ing word.

The irony of it is that Gary says exactly that: "We are very strict with our numbers" and the interviewer agrees...

Wow there is a topper on the SLE. That's worth the $15k alone!

Still in visitorland for now...we will see...

If they are upping the number of SLEs then they are no longer so special so they need to lower the price. Otherwise, without lowering the price it is just a further bilking of the customers.

This is getting funnier by the day.

Is anyone that wants an sle and gets #31 to #80 really getting the super or just an extension?

What a trainwreck.

They replied to my post on facebook saying an announcement regarding the SLEs would be made this upcoming week. Don't know if they will make it early in the week or at Expo. It was never specified.

Stern has replied that there will only be 240LE's made....I'll choose to believe them.....

They also commented on the VIP meet and greet ( process for wristbands on a flyer posted)

Good info for us, I believe...

My responses are on the site....can't seem to copy, paste from their website on my iPad

I'm going to wait for the Vault on this one.

If they were smart they would just say 80 game limited edition on the plaque like BSM so the buyers never know.

Meh....I don't think they do VE's on LE's, but that's the great thing about our hobby...we can buy what we want...hopefully, they make a model that suits everyone...

This is getting ridiculous. They can't help themselves.

Clearly a lot of guys on here aren't enthused about the looks of their spouses/girlfriends.

Who cares if Stern has raised the SLE's to 80? Isn't that great for all the fans of this show who really want the best version of the pin? Isn't it possible Stern was flooded with requests to make more and willing customers who have no problem paying that much for what must be a grail pin to them? I don't understand what the issue is, If they were making a must have title for me and I missed out on the SLE version but now I could buy one it be nothing but good news, if this is because of prices then I'm sorry but that's crap, don't buy it.

This is Stern.

Are you surprised?!!

Wow, just wow! Surely this is a problem in communication, lost in translation kind of thing. Going from 30 to 80 SLEs would cause Yellowstone to blow. I've tried to keep an open mind on this title so far, but if the increase is true........dang-the-ding-dong-dang! WTF are the 240 LEs about, double dipping the money trough?

You disagreed with my post but I would like to hear a valid reason, why is it a problem to increase the amount of SLE's?

Geez.
If you don't understand why it's not cool then you aren't going to understand the explanation.

Try me.

Really? You can't see the issue in Stern asking a ridiculous price for a game based solely on it being a "Super Limited Edition" (Sterns term not mine), specify a number of 30 units, and then increasing the amount available by 160%? But keeping the price the same?

The $5000 premium is only because of the "Super" Limited nature of the game.

Went from Super Limited Edition to Super expanded by more then double not so Limited Edition.

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So the super LE is the same as the LE with the exception of the title? I didn't know that, if thats the case then yeah its crap but then why would anyone buy one for the plaque? doesn't make sense, you see this is all coming down to money and future value I guess, I find that to be foolish, if the demand is there and people are willing to pay a premium no matter what the increased percentage then why not make them?

1) If I had already paid $15k for an SLE and they decided to up it to 80 total then I'd be a bit upset. Like Kim said, some of the best things are the ones that never happened. He made the right choice dropping out of that SLE

2) Now I'm considering dropping out of the LE. Since there is so much demand I'm sure somebody can step right in line. I'm not going to expo so no "meet and greet" for me

More and more people getting turned off by such things? I don't know. We'll see, karma is a bitch.

If you can ignore the price rises, the drip feed reveal, The paying before seeing etc. This is part of the reason people are pissed off.

But if you look at the SLE just in isolation. If you saw you are going to sell 30 pinballs at an inflated price.... The people are buying them to be apart of an inclusive club. 30 people. A special version of the pin but you have to pay up. You are not paying 5k extra for 5k of value. You are paying 5k for rarity.

If you then almost triple the amount of pins you are making then what are you saying to those customers?
You are basically saying "f**k you. We underestimated demand and don't want to give up 750k usd in sales so we are making more"
Gary stern says they are great with numbers and won't make 81 with such a smug arrogance in his voice. What about your word Garry? Does it not mean anything? No accountability.

He has done great things for pinball but his final act is to bend you and your wallet over and take you for all you are worth.

If they can get away with this with such a nothing title (yes I know batman is cool but literally no one was talking about batman 66 before the announcement) then what hope do we have for a strong title? Star wars?

When I bought a TWDLE they told us they weren't going to make a premium on that game.

So that drove people to jump on the LE. I was getting one anyhow so i didn't really care but its the same thing.

They have the right to do whatever they want and make as much $$$ as they can. It's those kind of actions, again and again, that might start to turn more people off.

I may be in on the LE... bcuz at this rate, the SuperLE may go from 80 to 400, in a week or two, making the LE more limited. just saying

My biggest problem with the Super LE, is that it removes the distributor from equation. How many WWE and KISS machines are they sitting on? Now they can't make a profit off of the Super LE.

Definitely a suspect call, for sure......machine is going to have to kick ass period, or the dominos will definitely fall.

This is why I'm holding on until I see it later this week......all this weird ( non Stern type) hype has me hoping they have gone the extra mile with this one.....we will see......

It seems to me Stern is trying to milk as much cash as they can, as quickly as they can, as if the end of the world was in sight, or as if they did not care establishing a long-term relationship with faithful customers. I guess that as long as there is a supply of new customers with deep pockets, their business model makes sense.

Disclaimer: My personal opinion of course. I would never have even considered buying a $15k Stern pin. Just found the idea ludicrous.

They might also know that Pat's new game is going......to......kick.....ASS!

You can't blame them for seeing what they can get away with. But changing numbers as they go along is just another level of losing a customers trust.
They said they own 98 percent of the market so they can screw with customers for ages and it will have little impact on amount of pins shipped compared to everywhere else. That's the annoying part! It's not like everyone can just jump ship like there is something else new and available. You can argue about and alien and jjp but next year stern will have 3 more pins before jjp4 and heighway3 are ready to ship.

Still waiting on your point.

First was a slap in the face to collectors by making the sle invite only.

Then the kick in the nuts came with the follow up "application" to buy, thus killing exclusivity.

Now the flick on the dick tip comes with almost tripling the number and killing rarity and credibility.

anyone buying stocks in ky jelly?

Well that's stupid and if there aren't any extra features to validate price out side of rarity and you buy one then you are a douchebag (not you the community in general) WTF? I've bought several LE's and it was because I wanted the best possible example of that pinball machine, I never once considered its rarity, who buys a game based on that? It's like BBB I like the pin but would never pay the going rate as the gameplay is nothing special to me so why would I, rarity? I'm not trying to defend Stern here and am well aware that its a shifty move but if the demand is there then why not?

Shouldn't there be only 30 people in the world who care... if that's really what's happening?

It never ceases to amaze me how much energy people have to invest in *saving* other people... who may not even care.

It sounds to me like this other group is 'yet another edition' of the game. Not necessarily just expanding the 30...

Interesting claim. Let's try to get an estimate of pins actually shipped by competitors since 2014

- 3000 WoZ ?
- a few hundreds hobbits
- 150 AMH
- 150 Rob Zombie (by the end of 2016)
- 50 TBL so far
- 4 Wooly, a few Nemos...
- did I forget something? Yes ! Full throttle (thanks Kim): say 100 by the end of the year?
(edit: MMr! But assembled in the Stern factory, right?)

Say 4,000 pins in total? Assuming this figure represents 2% of the market, it means 200,000 pins were sold in 3 years. Not a chance.