"What a dick Mr. Hand"

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God, I hope so. I'm sitting here with a hankering for old games and if this stupid bubble collapses, they will be afforable again.

I went to that school. There were literally dozens of guys just like him there. Gnarly, man!

Meh don't mind me. I'm just tired of the current pinball situation lately & prolly need a break.

All good w me ( you are right, btw)....I don't take anything on here too serious....I have more than enough drama at work

Good luck! That only happens if everyone sells their games off simultaneously. As ridiculous as NIB games have gotten, that madness doesn't really affect those who are happy with their collections, and there are always people hunting for classics and new people joining the hobby every day.

Eh, I've only been in the buying/selling part for 5 years myself, but seems pin prices have tripled. You know what hasn't changed? People are fundamentally lazy. Project prices can still be awesome, and they'll only be better and more out there if people know they can't turn an *easy* profit by just slapping a rag around and buying some 150 buck plastics and selling it for 300 bucks more than they paid for the game+parts. If the market goes down, and people aren't making so much money, there will be less to go around, less demand. It'll happen sooner or later, and I'm okay biding my time. =P

It's already started - CV's can't even sell for $6k right now, and just a year ago it was $7k and above, even higher before that. Tron LE has dropped quite a bit, although of course not as old. Seeing many older, A titles just not being able to get the prices they were just a year ago.

Couldn't that be because there have been a lot of great releases in the past few years? Homes are only so big.

Cv and especially tron le were over priced anyway. Ive been offered plenty of cv but the theme and gameplay are ok at best so i passed on all them even a 6k. When i put my luci up this week i had plenty of offers of 9k+ so not all titles are slow at selling at the moment. In the end i traded for another high in title and both parties are happy. It does seem a little slow at the moment with shows and expo coming up but it will pick up again in the winter especially with nib prices as high as they are.

I love project games - most of my collection was built on cheap projects. I just never see project games come up anymore - there was only so many units out there, and as they got gobbled up and restored over a few decades, if those games go back out into the world, they're not projects anymore. In 2007-2010 there wee multiple awesome projects per day on CL. Today? Dead zone.

Same here built my collection with projects over the past 3-4years and now they rarely pop up which is another reason prices are higher bc most stuff has allready been fixed up and sold at a higer price .

Hmmm...maybe Stern doesn't have a whole lot of confidence in the game and wants everyone's deposits locked in before it gets revealed.

Yep, that's good for the long term viability JV? That's genius.

they need those deposits to pay Adam West for the meet and greet.. you dont expect them to shell out for that themselves do you? its their anniversary after all

I just started reading the tail end of.this thread, Stern wants non refundable deposits ?? No pre orders for me ever again, CV prices may have dropped along with a lot of Bally classics, but I will always take an original .The entire remake plan could tank.over night ? then will see what happens to prices,

I buy and collect pins for the love of pinball, not as investments.

Really? Sure they are #1 today but in history they are probably 3 or 4.

JJP may price the next game under what Bat man premium costs. If this is true, where is your money going?

A well built Pat Lawlor game, or Stern's normal that's how we do it type game.

I was thinking there is a positive about selling a bunch of $10-$15K boutique games-is it helps suck out money from collectors that otherwise might have spent their money on re-conditioned or older games. When I see someone's collection with a bunch of boutique games-I say thank you for not hoarding all the under-rated Sterns and classic Bally-Williams. These boutique games help balance the rapid inflation that we are experiencing. I have seen people sell a few older collectable titles in order to obtain the latest and greatest boutique pin-again I say thank you.

Speaking of....Anyone selling some games to buy a Batman66?

Stern's marketing dept justifies another Hitler video.

Agree, besides the LCD in Sterns game which we all wanted what elese innovative will we see in Batman. Will it be packed like GB with stuff. We know JJP will pack a ton I stuff in game at lower cost. Still wish stern would do a widebody someday to see what we could get out of them in a bigger playfield. Oh well.

Bought a Gottlieb Magnotron for 150 bucks 2 weeks ago. Has a repainted cab and really nice backglass compared to every other Magnotron I've personally seen. Needs a lot of mechanical work, but....to me the glass and cab alone were worth the 150 bucks.

Sweet! How about project 90's games? Let's be honest, that's what most collectors are after and if a sweet deal shows up on CL, you better get ready to fight the vultures within the first minute it's posted. To me, that's the sign that there is no bubble. There are at least multiple retailers searching for inventory at all times...between them and collectors, it's very difficult to find a great deal out there anymore.

I sent Gary an email this morning asking him to remove my name from the Super LE list so I'm out on both.

While I find their tactics arrogant and insulting, Stern is free to operate their company as they see fit and I exercised my right to choose.
Stern will do just fine without my business and another manufacture will be pleased to see me.

I’ve had other disappointments in life and many of them have ironically resulted in my favor. I've got a feeling this may be another.

The working projects I have seen are usually priced too high. Then the local arcade will sell a working non-project Demo Man for $2200. Go figure.

Not quite all 90's, but solid states in my time... (God half these were booting and playing when I bought them....not even full projects..)

Space Shuttle 500
Pinbot 200
DE Time Machine 400
Diamondplate Rollergames 400
Gottlieb Count-Down 150
F-14 Tomcat 500
STTNG 1400
Stern Magic 500
Comet 350

Yeah. Almost all of these were over 2 years ago. We're in the middle of a HUGE bubble and games like these currently can't be found unless you have some hookup from an estate or someone died or something like that. All those came off Craigslist. Every last one. -_- But yeah..before the bubble? Add all that up. It's 4400. The price of **ONE STERN PRO** up until what...Metallica or so?

Sorry, couldn't make it through 57 pages of... Well you know.... Any new pictures yet?

Those are some nice finds Frax... Even the "expensive" one was a steal!

This seems like the same scenario in Australia at the moment. A reasonably cheap TSPP appeared in the classifieds on the other side of the country (I would have ignored it immediately due to location). Apparently a dealer snapped it up and going by their prices, would have nearly tripled the price once they put it up for sale. The courier cost mustn't have been a problem for them.

I love Batman, have probably a hundred Hot Wheels Batmobiles, would probably blow a truck stop for a 1 like JK's and would pay 15k all day for a super LE if I had the cash the hand which I do not, so my opinion on the process is useless. I'm also not going to read 57 pages of complaining. I guess i'm just here to say I love theme. Maybe I'll wade around this bs and find a picture of it, but I probably just sit here in the dark and think about Batgirl...

You need to get out more..

man.... you can't even imagine the depth of my social retardation

Yep, just send in a $3000 non-refundable deposit and you'll receive an exclusive LE hi-res picture of the back of the invoice Stern received from their LED supplier.

I don't know man.. it says he lives in Fargo, and based on the movie it's just a snowy abyss out there, and Steve Buscemy killing people. Maybe he just should stay indoors and play pinball instead lol

Flashback 6 months or so before ghosting and this doesn't happen.

There is nothing wrong with being a lurker

Batmobile History:

http://1966batmobile.com/

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It seems clear that Stern is working to eventually break the 10K barrier for high-end pins. This is a really shrewd move on their part.

What I don't get is that the things that manufacturers are competing on now don't change game play. Fancy armor, toys that slow down play, better translite art? There's more software development involved in an LCD-based UI than dots, but the hardware in volume isn't that big a hit. Most of the UI work on an LCD-driven pin is going to be a one-time cost. The rest is skins and media for each title, no? What am I missing?

If CV is falling in price and is below 6K, I'd buy CV all day long before I'd buy an SLE.

The previous post is right....we clearly need more Yvonne Craig in this thread.....
(at least until we get some real images of the actual game that generated 50+ pages of anticipation, hope, dreams and speculation.)

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Man I know so much about the batmobile, I could do a podcast

Like I posted quite awhile ago, this is a game that I wanted released "wish list" under another thread,but as of now, not gonna happen for me.

Yes, yes we do. Thanks.

Cherry picking and nonsense.

I know a guy who paid $6500 for a beater CV yesterday.

THe big collapse across the board that people have been predicting for 15 years isn't happening anytime soon, sorry.

I don't see it either because there are buyers and there are players. The only collapse I could see happening is if a few of the new companies making pins go out of business. I'd say used prices won't go down though especially with rising NIB prices.

Right. Any "collapse" or bubble pop is gonna be in the industry, not in the collector market. I'm pretty dubious about the industry - which 5 years ago had one company limping along selling $4500 games - having the ability to support 6 companies putting out new $7,000+ pins, but I also couldn't care less. That's never what's driven pinball for 90% of us.

Tend to agree...just seem to be more choices, and more home buyers.....and I've seen TRONLE's selling for 10k plus still ( with one guy from overseas commenting they didn't even know how many existed period on his side). BIBLES 10k + solid, TAF 6k+, etc., etc. fun times for pinball....

Man, JPop really took the air out of Batman '66.

I think JJP3 did, especially now that machines will be at the show. Also makes me think this is why Stern are locking in deposits before we can see the new Pat Lawlor game

I was thinkin the same thing...

The increased pricing of BM66 and the lack of communication of the playfield problems did a lot of letting the air out on that title.