Let's not forget Lyman on TWD. One of best pins ever.

I was told $10k to $10.5k on the LE.

No that was the LE. But that pricing hadn't been settled on yet.

Maybe they saw how people were flipping GBLE's for big money initially, before the PF issues, and figure that 1/2 the total, with an LCD, why not $10k?

At least its "not by christmas"

I didn't ask about the premium.

Maybe its the Jpop Batman limited edition? Doesn't really exist

I think the theme, LCD, Gomez and Lyman is gonna be awesome! Lots of $$$? No doubt, compared to Jpop though it's a F ing steal!!!

You are gonna love that GBLE!

Can someone please tell me why everybody is so surprised by this Batman LE and super LE pricing?

JPop got 19 people to pony up $16k or so on MG for what? Nothing.

Then another $10k on RAZA, 125 people. Nothing. Not to mention AIW.

There is a HUGE "collector" market for pinball and its not going away.

Big $$$ to be made off of dummies like myself.

Ring the register, this one's going to be great, I'm loving my GBLE and TWDLE. Batman LE next.

Eventually, the whole "LE" concept will change, evolve, etc. But lots of f ing $$$ to be made in current environment

Hehe, incremental steps Odin. One day?

Who f ing knows

Because Stern is trying to F everybody?

I don't think so, deposits are "refundable" and the LE buyers don't give a shit.

The pics are coming and the whiner crybaby crowd will have to suck it or not.

Hell yeah, glad i got my deposit down!

I offend the "pc crowd" every day, all day. The Pez army has taken a break i think.

A vocal minority is ok, knock yourselves out.

Ok, my deposit is "refundable" although I'm not refunding it because I'm happy with what's coming.

Stern "burned"? Maybe distributors but not Stern.

$10k for an LE? I don't think that's reality from what I'm told. Maybe there are scalping distros out there but not what I have agreed to.

Pricing will come out in a couple of weeks and if its in line with a modest increase from GBLE based on what I know then I'm in.

We all have a choice, "pony up" or not. Stern has 240 people that did this time, like it or not.

The smart thing to do, as usual, is play it first, decide if you like it or not, then buy a premium or pro later.

Never said I was that "smart".

This time, 30th anniversary, great theme, LCD, etc. I'm in..............................

Good for you! I don't need that. Isn't there only one Canadian "distributor"?

My mental images tell me that the "pics" will be awesome! No worries for me.

Well, I'm glad you have one held for you because this one is gonna be awesome, yes no pics yet, or coding or whatever. Gotta love Lyman? I do

Just gotta believe it makes sense! Little birdies give me much confidence.

It's not. The only thing "vault" is the crane and Batman.

New layout, code, everything else.

Especially that $$$ eating slot, but its fun to play!

Look at the slot video and that's what is going into the LE.

That.....is f ing funny!

Everybody needs to watch this

Nope

The GB issues will get resolved for those that have issues.

Onward and upward and Batman is next. In or out.

If things were absolute total shit do you think the LE's would be gone? Nope

Believe what you want.

Amen.

I was guilty of Jpop insanity. Horrendous and stupid.

I'm in for the Batman LE, not the "super".

Love my TWDLE, GBLE and this is finally getting the LCD.

Time will tell.

Batman is just another pin.

240 people will buy the LE.

Others will buy the premium.

Aerosmith is next, then Star Wars.

Are $10k pins sustainable over the long term? Probably not.

pros:

"optimist"
theme is really cool
LCD finally
Lyman Sheets and Gomez is no stiff
30th anniversary, Gary wants a great pin to mark the anniversary
Reports are that its "awesome" in so many ways

cons:

Haven't seen layout, might end up being terrible? can't say yet
Pricing? don't know yet, still a lot of $$$
PF issues getting worked out?

So I think it will be a great pin too but you never know until you play it. But I'm optimistic!

You guys can think what you want but it's "all new" except for the crane concept

Nothing "vault" about it

You guys want to make a few wagers? It's NOT basically the same game, it's "all new". How much?

Unless it just makes you feel better, no need to hate on it before you've seen it

Have you heard, there is a special "30th anniversary edition" pin coming out! Special, different, unique and set to mark a big occasion.

They aren't changing their core business model. Shouldn't be that hard to understand.

Congrats to Stern for 30 years of success, great accomplishment

I wouldn't expect anything less, from a group of natural bitchers and whiners, myself included.

It's hilarious to me to whine about "where are the pics", "where is the price", get it OR don't.

They sold all of the LE's, one is coming to me.

Let's recap:

Option A - Buy now and reserve your LE

Option B - Wait until you see the pics, play it and then decide

Let's all now whine about people picking Option A!

I'm not saying its the second coming, just should be awesomely cool!

You can be the neutral boring party RD, the mediator.

I am in serious need of some ice cold beer tonight and a long weekend. Been a busy mofo last few weeks.

Throw in a little "real football" RD and we have the makings of a great weekend.

Those rugby dudes are a bunch of sissies!

I'd love to see an NFL team steamroll those turds without pads. There would be a bunch of Ruggers on the ground!

The only guy I saw tough enough was the dude that kept playing with a torn scrotum

Check out the slot machine video assets for Batman. They have a ton of material to work with.

As for why would anybody jump in before you see it?

1) Read the flyer, what's not to like?
2) My last 3 Stern pins are AC/DC prem, TWDLE and GBLE

I'm pretty happy!!!

Thank goodness I didn't like those themes, I've been pretty lucky so far.

I've got all the dust covers off, pins lit up tonight, making the rounds, watching football and throwing back some cold ones. It's heaven!

I'll tell you what, after playing my GBLE for quite awhile and stepping away from TWDLE, holy crap, I'll take the flipper gap ALL f ing day over the outlanes on TWD.

Good lord its a brutal pin, its kind of like the amusement park basketball hoops game where the ball barely fits through the hoop, the inlane on TWD is freaking joke!

Gotta love pinball! And GBLE is a great f ing pin too.

Can't wait for Batman ladies.

you tube

Look at the show clips from the slot machine on you tube.

That is a sample of what's going in the pin. Giddy up!

That's what they said, "cash flow". Investors followed.

ala Stern, sinking ship, Investors followed.

If that's true Rob, then that's F ed and they better sell a whole bunch more of TH's.

I'm guessing shipping by 1st quarter of 2017.

JJP got investors.

Stern got investors.

Politicians lie.

Lawyers win.

There is nothing "photoshop" about if you listen to the people actually making the game unless you don't believe Gomez.

They have 4 artists working on it.

I'm sure Stern wants to crank out a re hashed piece of garbage for the 30th anniversary

This pin will be more standard body JJP style.

Some of you guys can believe what you want and just make shit up all day! You are gonna be wrong

They will make it great!

Just saying. Happy to be in.

After the METLE debacle, they keep trying to find the "sweet spot" to take out all of the flipper profit.

I think we will see a move in the other direction pricing wise, the demand for $8k+ plus pins isn't endless.

The secondary market is starting to hit the brakes a bit on the higher priced pins.

People have been able to buy a pin and sell it for what they paid for it or more for the last 5 years, with the exception a few titles.

When the price tag jumps over $8k and people start having to take a $1k hit or more to sell a pin I'm thinking the demand is gonna slow down.

Either way, I agree Billy, just tell us what the F ing price is and quit playing games!!

Sorry RD, one of the worst Stern pins. I love Borg but not this. Oversized Wolvie destroys the left side of the play field. No amount of code can save it.

On final descent to Vegas!

High stakes fantasy football this weekend.

I'm ready to unload.

Playing some Batman slots to celebrate and get psyched up.

T minus 45 minutes before the drinks start flowing......

Batman slot machine video clips are very cool and will be awesome on the pin. Even though it took my $$$ in Vegas

Gomez can say that "pinball is under the glass" but they know they can't stand still in terms of innovation. There is a reason slot machines are more and more starting to look like the Batman slot machine and the new GOT.

They ATTRACT people to put $$$$ in them. Get it?

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And/or there are plenty of haters that are just pissed that they can't afford or simply won't pay that much for a pinball machine

Bottom line is plenty of people are willing to pay up for the LE and "super collectible" or whatever the heck it is.

I'm one of them for the right pin like Batman66

Stern has got it right. Satisfying all segments of the market

The whiners and complainers will always be out in force no matter what they do

That application is hilarious KPG

The application is a brilliant move by Stern, they will have a data base and "indication of interests" for future super duper LE's buyers!

Look at freaking Jpop's MG for crying out loud. This Batman Super duper LE is a f ing steal by comparison!!!

How people want blow/spend their money is up to them.

If i have a client that is a degenerate gambler and have to wire Seven figures to casinos for gambling losses, from his account, then I have to wonder, is that a totally f ed up thing? Seems crazy to me, not to him because it makes him happy and he can afford it.

I used to watch guys over 35 pay $15k to play in Michael Jordan's fantasy camp every year. To me, what a waste of $$, to those guys, it was the time of their lives.

At least with a pinball machine, no matter what it costs, you have something tangible forever, no?

Bin....f ing.....go....

It's ok to bitch and whine, that's what we do on here. There would be no Pinside without it!

Some of it is funny as shit (Kpg).

Some people though just have a big ole boner of hate going on. Just can't get over the fact that they can't have it.

Hehe, i'm a big proponent of "deplorable" behavior, whatever that means.

woke up

headache hitting the wall

Who said they are going to sell a "shitload" of $8,500 premiums?

This is a "JJP style pin".

Besides, these are the MSRP prices.

I'm still in for LE.

Prices are going back down after this "anniversary edition".

This pin is blinged out "way beyond" anything else they have done before.

I'm not saying they won't have SLE's in the future, I think they will and would be stupid not to have them if people keep buying them.

100 SLE units, 400 LE's, premiums and pros.

I predict $10k, $8500, $7200 and $5800 respectively.

The LE and SLE are already a slam dunk success it appears, so no doubt we will see more of the same.

I think premium goes back to $7200 range in future and pro stays under $6k.

$15k pins for me? Likely not for me. $10k is crazy enough.

You guys are some funny M fers

When you see BM66 you'll understand why prices will go back down.

But hey, a GBLE at $8k isn't like some screaming discounted price.

What is clear is they are intent on not allowing "flipper profit" and will price accordingly

They have already done it. After the METLE debacle that's exactly what happened.

They have greatly reduced "flipper profit".

The after market for $8k plus pins is only going to get more difficult for sellers as JJP, Heighway and Stern keep cranking out the new latest and greatest Nib pins.

That will keep a lid on prices, people won't keep buying Nib to sell their pins later at a $2k loss. Forget "flipper profit". More like "flopper loss".

But yeah, I know the laws of supply and demand and price elasticity don't apply to pinball

Dadgum Stern is destroying their business.

I see all the people that say they aren't nib buyers ever again, where are all the people like me that is buying the LE?

GB selling like "hot cakes"

They can't make pins fast enough to satisfy backlog demand.

Who the heck are all these people snapping these pins up?

Yep, Stern is in really bad shape, I feel sorry for them

That definitely was me in Vegas last weekend.

I managed to lose a Batman and have nothing to show for it!

It's all coming to a head soon enough. People will get tired of buy $9k pins and selling them for $7k or less. That's when the party ends.

I don't care.

That's why i turned back my RZ spot instead of trying to sell it for a profit.

It's been a long run of people being able to buy pins and sell them for "mas or menos" the original price and not have to worry about getting hit hard on the future sale.

Many other people are going to care as they buy these $8k plus pins and try and sell them a year later, for 10-20% less. Nib buyers might get a little more picky at that point.

Either way its a great hobby for any type of buyer and pinball enthusiast. Fun factor is off the charts. How much is that worth? A 10-20% discount off of a Nib theme you love? For me it is.

So i guess Stern will always have dummies like me to push their pinball drug to.

Got call today and was going to stay in on LE no matter what the price was.

Yes $9500 was at the high end.

Funny how people cream all over themselves when they buy a GBLE or RZ or any other pin and flip it for big bucks before they even get it.

Some of the same guys are whining about the prices.

Can you really blame Stern and distributors for taking your flipper profit if people like me are willing to pay $9500?

Pissed? Why?

Buy or not. Spooky has one for $6250

Exactly, you paid $8k like me and could have sold it for $9500

I mean hey, I'd rather pay $8k not $9500. Not gonna get pissed about it

What about the line out the door for people offering distributors over $9k for an already taken GBLE if they would just pretty please sell it to them and cut the early guy out?

Begging to pay $9k

I was once charged $9,995 for a pin I never got.

$9,500 is a f Ing bargain.

Smart PR move, an identified group to sell the niche SLE's to in the future

The bottom line is there is a lot i don't like about the communication either and some of the QC issues, but all the bitching and whining isn't going to do a bit of good except make you feel better I guess.

This BM66 is a "special edition", I don't know why its so hard for people to figure that out and understand what is going on. If you don't like it, fast forward to the next title, that you will line up to buy despite all of the current teeth gnashing.

Buyers have brought much of this on ourselves, and I'm talking about the ones that buy a GBLE for $8k and try and flip it right away for $9k-$10K, or RZ.

WTF do you think is going to happen? If people are willing to pay those prices, why wouldn't Stern or JJP charge them? That merry go round is going to end soon enough but they are tapping it out right now like any business.

They screwed up the SMVE pricing experiment, maybe they will find this was a bad move too, who knows, but at the end of the day people will keep buying great pinball machines, PRO, PREMIUM and LE'S, that they like if the price is reasonable to the value they are getting.

How many people here are on a "list" to buy a Star Wars LE? Sight unseen? Hmmm? Not me this time.

So much for voting with your wallets. Let the Star Wars craziness begin.

That IS what they are going to do and the rage will die down. And the Star Wars love fest, and the "take my money" chants will begin. It's almost comical.

I don't agree with everything, especially lack of communication and QC, but I'm just presenting the other side of the argument.

I think Neo was joking right? I thought it was funny

Are you on the SLE list R Diddy?

How many Star Wars pro will the operators scoop up.

Stern biggest seller ever IF it delivers on layout with Ritchie, we know Lyman will hammer down the code.

It does O man, you've seen it too?

That is something else. He's already got $40 bucks!

Wow, poor Jim Tracy deserves one if anybody does.

WWELE, AvatarLE, TFLE, XMENLE and AvengersLE

Ok, so i might be a bit crazy, dumbass, whatever, but I'm not making any F ing video for a pinball machine. Nor will you ever see me dressed up in a GB costume.

No, but we could have a rugby match in your house with R Diddy, and film crashing through the screen door in a drunken stupor.

That would catch Gary's eye and be a winner for sure.

I was thinking about doing a Todd Stuckey and pushing one of my Bally's off the roof.

Or rolling it outside and setting it on fire?

Should it be the Road Show or the Indy 500?

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Odin starting his film documentary of a cross country tour to Gary's house in Chicago. Never can have enough tires!

Does it deserve the SLE?

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As crazy as it seems to pay $9500 US for a Batman pinball, $13,800 for an LE is yes "fuck those prices"

Isn't $8,000 for a GBLE crazy too? Nobody complains about that price because you can sell it for more.

People have gotten so used to being able to buy a Stern Nib pin and be able to sell it a year later for little to no depreciation, with the exception of a few titles.

They saw what just happened with GBLE, people were BEGGING to buy one for $9k-$10k and then watched as pre orders bought for $8k and immediately flipped the LE for $9500.

They just simply weren't going to let that happen with BM66LE.

The end result is going to be the 240 LE buyers will take a hit on selling if they ever go to sell. That is going to be the NEW reality anyhow on EVERY new pin.

More and more supply is just going to lead to more and more people moving out last years "gotta have it" to get this year's "shut up and take my money now" pin.

It's kind of fitting that the battle with the "dark side" will play out with STAR WARS.

Let's see how people feel at that point. Might be the beginning of the end? Or not.

Maybe Stern has shifted to the 80/20 rule

80% of profits come from 20% of their customers. No that can't be it

Maybe 80% of the complaints come from 20% of the people.

Maybe they just don't give a F about bitching about PF, QC or prices

The orders don't seem to be slowing down. Maybe that is about to change

We will see with Star Wars

At least you have great choices now. Heighway, JJP and Spooky

Nobody is holding a gun to anybody's head

What's the point? Good marketing, stupid buyers?

I don't see pinball buyers as generally stupid. Maybe making stupid decisions from time to time, myself included.

Not that it matters to me but I've made $$ selling the pins I've sold.

And I just let RZ go back rather than sell it for a profit because I view this as just a hobby. An expensive one for sure, but a fun one!

Maybe what this is all about is people rushing to buy a pinball machine that everybody wants and flip it for big bucks.

After GB and RZ those days are over, get used to it

You can blame Stern all you want, but people are gonna buy what they want, until they don't want it anymore

As for BM66LE, I'm buying because I love the theme and I grew up with it. Plus is has the first LCD from Stern which I put a big value on.

And there are only 240 of them, like it or not, it's "collectible"

While I respect everybody's opinion and can see where they are at, I personally don't give a F what anybody else thinks about my purchase decision

How F ing dare Ferrari!!! Making 799 LE's celebrating 60 years of doing business in the US. WTF is going on. I'm outraged

http://auto.ferrari.com/en_US/sports-cars-models/car-range/f12tdf/

It's shame the LCD didn't make it into TWD and GOT, two other Aristocrat slots.

http://www.aristocrat-us.com/gaming-operations

Having recently played the Batman slot machine and getting to see the video clips that are going into the game, it's gonna be very cool.

Mix in voice work by Adam West and Burt Ward and Stern's 30th anniversary should be a special pin. They have set expectations sky high and I'm betting they deliver on this one.

The wheel on the slot make its way into the pin?

So Homepin is going to make great pinball for $4k-$5k and bury Stern and everybody else? rotflmao

Who does this sound like?

"Our goal and sole aim at Homepin is to get the machines finished and running - I don't like paperwork or accounting so that comes LAST as far as I am concerned! LOL."

JPop sounds like a good fit. Magic Girl, RAZA and AIW ready to be revived?

Neither one of them likes paperwork or accounting.

I don't see pins on route as a booming and growing business. Maybe in a few locations. I don't care how much they cost. Still gotta fix and maintain them.

Ops are raking in $$ with Key masters and other rigged games like that, not pinball, in general.

They are selling the 30 SLE's for $15k and people are lined up to buy it.

They have sold all 240 LE's for $10k.

This is a boutique, special anniversary offering. You don't like it, plenty of others do. The "unjustified" price increase? You haven't seen it yet, you don't know. I would rather NOT pay $9500 for the LE but I get how they "justified" the price.

It's real simple, once again, Stern announces GBLE at approx. $8k street price. People fall all over themselves to buy one so they can flip it for $9500 to $10k.

They made 500 of those, 240 of Batman, with MUCH MORE bill of material than GBLE. Now tell me again how its not "justified" for the 240 LE's that would have sold for that much on the secondary market?

For the "cornerstone" games, they are going back to NORMAL pricing. It doesn't seem to matter to Stern that they haven't publicly put this info out there. Maybe they should, maybe they shouldn't.

I have "justified" the price increase for me. Sure, I would rather pay less, but I want this LE pin, period. And I dropped my RZ because of it.

Going forward, I'm not on the list for buying $10k pinball machines, from anybody. It would take the right combo of theme, developer and software.

Let me highlight it one more time succinctly.

GBLE $8k. People falling over themselves to buy so they could flip it for $9500-$10k 500 units

BM66LE $9500. With an LCD that is huge for me, another great theme and 240 units.

Hard to understand? You have to really want the pin because the "flipper profit" is gone.

Yet you see a couple of dopes listing the LE for $11k!! What a f ing joke.

It is funny, but hey, different motivations for different people. I wouldn't want the SLE but 30 people will. Those videos are just the you tube video. There is no telling how many Stern has received privately.

And plenty of people that aren't pinheads think its "very sad" and/or "stupid" that a grown man would spend any amount of money on a pinball machine.

Some of you guys are living in total denial and will have to eat a mile of sh*t when it gets released. Just sayin

As for the video. This is 2016, I can make a video with my iPhone and email it privately to Stern sitting right here at lunch.

I know it's fun and funny to watch but the last laugh will be had by the BMLE and SLE owners because it will be great!

I'm so glad the preachers on here have determined what price is acceptable for EVERYBODY!!

What a F Ing joke!!!

Hate away

Not talking about you. Just in general and Rare of course

Is the price "ludicrous"? Sure it is. To what degree of stupidity. I'm not sure

When I bought my first pin, a Lotr LE I thought I lost my mind then when I paid $5200!

Can I justify it today? Yes, because I want it and don't care if I lost a couple of grand later selling it.

If I had to sell it for $7500 with all the bells and whistles, how far has Tron Le and everything else dropped? It's all relative

At least this time I know I'm getting a pin in a couple of months. Yes, Jpop was beyond stupid, but I've been fortunate otherwise

It's a hobby and I'm having a blast!!!

I did sell my LotrLE a few months ago, trying to make room for the new stuff! I'd think about getting it back when they do the VE with LCD and great sound

I'd stick with that GB premium, its really good

I think Stern is in a tough spot trying to find the pricing sweet spot for all concerned.

Does Stern keep making high demand LE's and watch people flip them for big bucks before they even take possession? Like GBLE.

It kind of sucks that everybody that actually wants the pin can't have it at a more reasonable price because of the profiteers. I can't say its wrong for them to take advantage of it while it exists, but Stern obviously sees that and wants to close the flipper down.

How many RZ's have you seen up for sale, many of which have even been delivered yet? I decided to give up my RZ to the next guy that wanted it, because i wanted BM66 instead.

What would you do if you were Stern and in their shoes?

Either way it goes, Stern will have to adjust to the market and whatever the demand will be at higher prices. Good, bad, or ugly.

I love all the sexy kitty cats.

I'm thinking BM66 is gonna be like this.

Space Jam Walked right into that one. Ok how about "cool as Ice"!

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"I like Dreamin" Odin, and making BM66 mine!

Hmmmm, I.....have an idea!

SLE BM campaign. Record karaoke version of "I like Dreamin", in a Batman costume, surrounded by my current Stern pins?

And finish it off with the Bee Gees "Night Fever" remade to "Batman Fever", along with appropriate attire and dance moves.

Winner for sure, but happy with my LE, good tip for you applicants though.

See. The artwork alone is worth $14k out of the $15k

Nice one Kpg!

I love Cat momma

If you listened to the podcast the artwork is being done by 4 different artists. All hand drawn and nothing photoshopped about it.

Artwork will be great. Box checked and mic dropped

Next

Spooky just went past your $6k limit

The mic has already been dropped on the art sorry!

My wallet is feeling better

Out on RZ, not doing JJP #3, maybe out on AlienLe, and no Star Wars

Plenty to keep me busy for awhile!

"Every picture is then cried and gushed over.
No one pushes the album away and says "Photoshop!"
(well, except Pinsiders.)

Drop that f Ing mic Vid!

30 pins are $15k. Might have its own Picasso

Mine is $9500 and I'll take the renderings of the characters. Hard to beat that

Plus you haven't seen the rest of the artwork.

I got a tingle up my leg

Some of you guys can't help yourselves.

I'd be jealous too

Stern brings on the best hand drawn artist of classic Batman in the world and still get whining. Nuff said

Dont eat too much before expo. That mile of turd carries a lot of calories

Seriously, if you can't like that art you are hopeless

It's how art is done today, including how Yeti drew GB, MG, RAZA and everything else he does.

You don't "reinvent" Batman characters, take the best rendering out there and turn it into shit.

Chris Franchi is good enough for me as far as Batman goes.