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#5101 2 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

why does everyone think you even have to buy NIB? There are 1000's of other games out of the box, that are just as fun if not MORE fun than these NIB games coming out. What's better, is that you can buy 2-3 or even 10-20 of the other games for the same price as 1 of these NIB. The last 10 games I bought before GB premium cost less than the GB. Buying a NIB here or there is fine, but it's not the end all or even a must have.

For some people buying NIB is just practical. If you do not have much technical knowledge NIB is very good. The things I have seen with not NIB machines to fix a problem With NIB you know exactly what has been done to a machine and normally they don't break as quickly.

With all the new people getting in to the hobby, technical knowledge is severely lacking and who can blame them ? Everybody has to learn somehow. If you just want to play and not fiddle around every few days, NIB is a good choice.

#5102 2 years ago
Quoted from ronaldvg:

For some people buying NIB is just practical. If you do not have much technical knowledge NIB is very good. The things I have seen with not NIB machines to fix a problem With NIB you know exactly what has been done to a machine and normally they don't break as quickly.
With all the new people getting in to the hobby, technical knowledge is severely lacking and who can blame them ? Everybody has to learn somehow. If you just want to play and not fiddle around every few days, NIB is a good choice.

LOL

#5103 2 years ago

Pinball is a great hobby. As I did a quick inventory at our shop, we have over 80 restored titles. It amazes me when I look at the wide variety of designs. The Twilight Zone and Creature Still get into my funny bone. I have to say that I do love the new Ghost Buster and Game of thrones is starting to get to me. I guess the point is that it doesn't matter if it's NIB or an EM classic piece. What matters is if it makes you happy. I have a close friend who just loves his Spy Hunter pinball! Of course money is a limiting factor. Because it is (for most of us) we have to decide what pinballs are for us. Isn't that a big part of the fun? We are just about finished with a restoration on a WHO dunnit. I forgot what a blast that Bally classic is. The question of what is the best pinball of all time is?, will never truly be answered. That is what is so special about our hobby. You can spend millions or hundreds and depending on the way you are built, be equally happy.

-Jerry

#5104 2 years ago

My distributor said they will start picking up on Metallica once they get caught up with Ghostbusters so I think I may go back to my original plan and make my fourth a Metallica. Now that I've got a grip on the levels etc. I'm perfectly fine with PRO'S as you can see my line up are all PRO'S, I love them and play them everyday don't really notice that much of a difference other than toys and art at not worth the price different. I have now figured out that I rather have a variety of titles than dump a bunch of dough into a few. I read about the dissatisfied folks on the KISS game but even without a KISS update it's a fun game and I'm sure what have will keep me occupied for a while.

Quoted from guyincognito:

Nice collection! Wouldn't you rather have a BMLE and Metallica Pro than a BMSLE?
I don't get why people would rather have $5,000 extra worth of NOTHING, when they could get another entire NIB pin for that amount?

#5105 2 years ago

You know you are absolutely right!! My original purchase was an F-14(had it a week) and an Elvira and the Party Monsters (Had it a month). I think I drove my distributor crazy swapping these out LOL! It took me a month to figure this out for myself; I don't have the skill set quite yet to fix these bad boys. To me it was like bringing home a 1978 Corvette and a brand new Corvette on the same day. When you’re 8 year old and the 4 year old start beating on the buttons of the 78 you’re more likely to lose your mind than if they were beating on the new one. I know new ones still break but the parts and quick fixes were more my speed than some of these older ones, that's why I finally decided to go all NIB. If I had the restorative knowledge of most of you I probably would be loading up on cheaper titles that are fun to play.

Quoted from CaptainNeo:

why does everyone think you even have to buy NIB? There are 1000's of other games out of the box, that are just as fun if not MORE fun than these NIB games coming out. What's better, is that you can buy 2-3 or even 10-20 of the other games for the same price as 1 of these NIB. The last 10 games I bought before GB premium cost less than the GB. Buying a NIB here or there is fine, but it's not the end all or even a must have.

#5107 2 years ago
Quoted from DJNOEL30:

dgarret, since I occasionally will be reading and posting on here I would prefer to be accepted as a real person. I don't know who Kaneda is, I guess I can now post the YouTube link to my application video. You can compare it to the story I posted and hopeful that will convince the forum that I am a real person and will take me seriously when I post <year in..
» YouTube video

Welcome to the addiction.

I mean no offense by what I am about to say but...I find it interesting that Stern is saying they got HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of video applications for the pin and they chose yours...Like I said, no offense but it seems odd to me...Maybe they used the applications as a raffle type process?

#5108 2 years ago

None taken, as a matter of fact your observation is spot on. Maybe I fit a demographic that Stern is looking to penetrate. I guess I was the "charity case" selection haha.

Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

Welcome to the addiction.
I mean no offense by what I am about to say but...I find it interesting that Stern is saying they got HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of video applications for the pin and they chose yours...Like I said, no offense but it seems odd to me...Maybe they used the applications as a raffle type process?

#5109 2 years ago

Probably been discussed somewhere in the last 100 pages of this thread, but has anyone seen "Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders"?

I saw it yesterday by coincidence and have to say that it made me wonder about the voicework the pin will be using. I really love the original series, but the voice of Batman and especially of Catwoman sound really, I mean REALLY, old (no offence!).

Not sure how that will work out in the pin...

#5110 2 years ago
Quoted from Pimp77:

People are very rich...$5k is a drop in the bucket for some. Why not if you're that loaded I guess?

The vast majority of people who "are very rich" didn't get that way by dropping an extra $5k for for a whole lot of nothing in return.

#5111 2 years ago
Quoted from jar155:

Here's how I see the three editions:
Premium - PROmium
LE - pLEmium
SLE - Somewhat Limited Edition
No matter which you choose, the price is still bonkers and Stern should be ashamed at the fleecing going on here.

Since you can't choose the LE and SLE, because they are "sold out" with people waiting in line, at least you can select the "promium"

I get a chuckle every time i see comments like this.

Why on earth should Stern be ashamed? Yes the pricing in ridiculous and completely out of control, but its due in large part to the greedy flippers as well.

How many times recently, especially with GBLE and RZ, have you seen people buy a GBLE for $8k and flip it for $9500, early on it was people climbing all over themselves to buy it for $10k from the distributors to cut somebody else out.

With RZ and such a small run, they have had a huge number of pins for sale on the marketplace. All to make a few hundred bucks, wtf?

What do you think would have happened with a BM66LE if it was priced at $8500? There would be people fighting in the streets to get one so they could make a quick flip.

There is a segment of buyers that want "collectible" and great pins, and if you don't make it "collectible", that's a HUGE part of the growth sector of pinball and people with $$$ that will disappear and Stern and JJP know it. (JJP late to the party)

Or we can go back to the days of just a "promium", with Stern being the only pin maker and teetering on going out of business.

Take your pick.

#5112 2 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

The vast majority of people who "are very rich" didn't get that way by dropping an extra $5k for for a whole lot of nothing in return.

I have to disagree Rob, they might be frugal when it comes to things that do not interest them but a rich fella who's into pinball will spend that money, I'm not rich but the guys I know with cash spend that much sometimes in a night on stuff and things that go with the stuff. If money was no object for me and I was a BM66 fan then I'd be trying to get the SLE with zero concern of price, but wouldn't spend a cent extra for car rims or fancy clothes, not into that at all, I understand what ur saying but most people I know with or without money don't see value in a pinball machine regardless of the price.

#5113 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinfactory2000:

Welcome to the addiction.
I mean no offense by what I am about to say but...I find it interesting that Stern is saying they got HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of video applications for the pin and they chose yours...Like I said, no offense but it seems odd to me...Maybe they used the applications as a raffle type process?

Doesn't surprise me. Makes sense to give someone just getting into the hobby the SLE as he may buy 10 more Sterns to fill his game room.

#5114 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

There is a segment of buyers that want "collectible" and great pins, and if you don't make it "collectible", that's a HUGE part of the growth sector of pinball and people with $$$ that will disappear and Stern and JJP know it.

You can't really make something collectible just by selling it as a collectible, it doesn't work that way. It's just marketing capitalizing on the fear of missing out. Stern has figured out just like other industries that if you take the same product and make minor tweaks, you can make a lot of extra profit on it for very little effort. How many times a week do you hear about some collectible bobblehead, or some special car edition, limited edition coin, etc, it's just there to make you think it's more valuable to generate sales. Companies have been doing it forever, Chevy made those 1978 pace car corvettes that people horded and it's worth basically no more than a normal 78. Usually collectibles are things that got trashed from heavy use that nobody ever thought would be valuable.

#5115 2 years ago
Quoted from DJNOEL30:

a demographic that Stern is looking to penetrate.

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#5116 2 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

The vast majority of people who "are very rich" didn't get that way by dropping an extra $5k for for a whole lot of nothing in return.

The only thing that most people who are very rich have in common is being very lucky.

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#5117 2 years ago
Quoted from fnosm:

The only thing that most people who are very rich have in common is being very lucky.

Yep, Robt was lucky he found that law degree in a Cracker Jack box

#5118 2 years ago

Collectibility is in the eye of the beholder.

If there are enough collectors it makes a market.

Old limited high grade cards, not trashed ones, are highly collectible

Like it or not 80 sle and 240 le's and the collectibility factor allow Stern to charge those prices

I'm excited to see the next Kapow le

#5119 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Since you can't choose the LE and SLE, because they are "sold out" with people waiting in line, at least you can select the "promium"
I get a chuckle every time i see comments like this.
Why on earth should Stern be ashamed? Yes the pricing in ridiculous and completely out of control, but its due in large part to the greedy flippers as well.
How many times recently, especially with GBLE and RZ, have you seen people buy a GBLE for $8k and flip it for $9500, early on it was people climbing all over themselves to buy it for $10k from the distributors to cut somebody else out.
With RZ and such a small run, they have had a huge number of pins for sale on the marketplace. All to make a few hundred bucks, wtf?
What do you think would have happened with a BM66LE if it was priced at $8500? There would be people fighting in the streets to get one so they could make a quick flip.
There is a segment of buyers that want "collectible" and great pins, and if you don't make it "collectible", that's a HUGE part of the growth sector of pinball and people with $$$ that will disappear and Stern and JJP know it. (JJP late to the party)
Or we can go back to the days of just a "promium", with Stern being the only pin maker and teetering on going out of business.
Take your pick.

Those greedy flippers may get burned big time when they try to sell a pin with massive ghosting issues no wants to buy. A GB was just reported having an OCT build date having ghosting insert issues with a 100 plays and it even had a play field protector installed before a single ball was played. Not sure if stern has started pumping out BM66 play fields yet, but if they are I would imagine similar issues would arise unless the BM66 play fields are being made somewhere else. Maybe they are laced with 24K gold which prevents ghosting inserts, this would explain the price increase.

#5120 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

Collectibility is in the eye of the beholder.

About the only thing collectible in pinball is the amount of dust they can collect.

#5121 2 years ago
Quoted from fnosm:

The only thing that most people who are very rich have in common is being very lucky.

There are exceptions but most rich people do not get rich by being 'lucky', unless you consider hard work and perseverance as being lucky.

#5122 2 years ago
Quoted from capguntrooper:

Those greedy flippers may get burned big time when they try to sell a pin with massive ghosting issues no wants to buy. A GB was just reported having an OCT build date having ghosting insert issues with a 100 plays and it even had a play field protector installed before a single ball was played. Not sure if stern has started pumping out BM66 play fields yet, but if they are I would imagine similar issues would arise unless the BM66 play fields are being made somewhere else. Maybe they are laced with 24K gold which prevents ghosting inserts, this would explain the price increase.

This....

Be careful out there collectors....you wouldn't want your investment to go down the same road GBLE is going.

#5123 2 years ago
Quoted from pauloz:

There are exceptions but most rich people do not get rich by being 'lucky', unless you consider hard work and perseverance as being lucky.

Where you're born and what chances you get in life (starting with education, with what capacities a person is born, etc..) is a major factor I'd say. I'm not saying most rich haven't worked hard & persistant for it, but I think 'luck' has a lot to do with it as well for most.
I consider myself very lucky: I'm not wealthy, but I'm definitely very rich compared to the world average (and I admit I was lucky being born in the Netherlands instead of a third world country, with well educated parents and an above-average pair of brains: you don't get to pick those things).

#5124 2 years ago
Quoted from pauloz:

There are exceptions but most rich people do not get rich by being 'lucky', unless you consider hard work and perseverance as being lucky.

It takes hard work and perseverance just to survive. To get rich while you are doing it takes luck. To get very rich takes a lot of luck. Face it the world can not support 7 billion very rich people but it can support 6.9 billion in poverty, 99 million middle class, 900 thousand rich and 100 thousand very rich people.

If everyone did exactly the same thing that Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs or Mark Cuban did would they all end up at the same place? Nope you'd still have a ton of poor people and a lucky few very rich people.

#5125 2 years ago
Quoted from DJNOEL30:

My distributor said they will start picking up on Metallica once they get caught up with Ghostbusters so I think I may go back to my original plan and make my fourth a Metallica. Now that I've got a grip on the levels etc. I'm perfectly fine with PRO'S as you can see my line up are all PRO'S, I love them and play them everyday don't really notice that much of a difference other than toys and art at not worth the price different. I have now figured out that I rather have a variety of titles than dump a bunch of dough into a few. I read about the dissatisfied folks on the KISS game but even without a KISS update it's a fun game and I'm sure what have will keep me occupied for a while.

Metallica RGB color for the GI and many of the inserts makes a big difference in play. Cool things like the playfield going blue-ish when Seek and Destroy starts, or everything going red in some of the multiballs. The RGB lighting makes at least a Premium a must for Metallica. The Pro is boring by comparison.

#5126 2 years ago

The busier and more productive you are the luckier you will get that's pretty much how the math and life works. If I spent my life measuring my potential against "average" I would never be able to afford a pinball hobby that's for sure. I don't believe in luck and I certainly would never blame the successful for my lack of success. I think if more people viewed themselves that way and worked to their potential you would have a larger market of people stocking up their homes with pinball machines. I thank 40 years of creeping socialism for that kind of mental poison. I believe that regardless of where you are in life whether rich, poor or whatever only you can limit your opportunities.. That's my political speech, your welcome haha

Quoted from sven:

Where you're born and what chances you get in life (starting with education, with what capacities a person is born, etc..) is a major factor I'd say. I'm not saying most rich haven't worked hard & persistant for it, but I think 'luck' has a lot to do with it as well for most.
I consider myself very lucky: I'm not wealthy, but I'm definitely very rich compared to the world average (and I admit I was lucky being born in the Netherlands instead of a third world country, with well educated parents and an above-average pair of brains: you don't get to pick those things).

#5127 2 years ago
Quoted from DJNOEL30:

If I spent my life measuring my potential against "average" I would never be able to afford a pinball hobby that's for sure.

Funny, it used to be people with nothing better to do hanging out at arcades and bowling alleys playing pinball.

I pride myself as being intelligent enough not to waste time and energy trying to get ahead in this world. Average with lots of free time suits me just fine.

#5128 2 years ago

I just can't wrap my head around that, sorry buddy.. I'm glad it works for you..

#5129 2 years ago

I wouldn't try then. It is an acquired skill that takes lots of thought and careful planning.

#5130 2 years ago
Quoted from vireland:

Metallica RGB color for the GI and many of the inserts makes a big difference in play. Cool things like the playfield going blue-ish when Seek and Destroy starts, or everything going red in some of the multiballs. The RGB lighting makes at least a Premium a must for Metallica. The Pro is boring by comparison.

Other than the lighting is there anything else that's different? I have been told a mod'd pro with the lighting is a better way to go. Does it play different?

#5131 2 years ago
Quoted from gearheaddropping:

This....
Be careful out there collectors....you wouldn't want your investment to go down the same road GBLE is going.

It's not an "investment", not the way i look at my GBLE that i love!

Flipper $$$ is gone. Nib losses guaranteed now.

Quoted from o-din:

About the only thing collectible in pinball is the amount of dust they can collect.

You have some pretty nice collectibles in that collection of yours OD

#5132 2 years ago
Quoted from iceman44:

You have some pretty nice collectibles in that collection of yours OD

I dread to think how much dust is on top of those.

Seriously, how often do any of you clean the top of the back boxes on these things?

#5133 2 years ago
Quoted from fnosm:

The only thing that most people who are very rich have in common is being very lucky.

The harder you work, the luckier you get

#5134 2 years ago

Edit: not worth it

#5135 2 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Funny, it used to be people with nothing better to do hanging out at arcades and bowling alleys playing pinball.
I pride myself as being intelligent enough not to waste time and energy trying to get ahead in this world. Average with lots of free time suits me just fine.

I'm with you! Time is finite, you only have so much and that is it. At a certain point you hit diminishing returns, is it really worth the time and effort to get some new expensive toy?

We bailed on the southern california rat race over a decade ago. No traffic and a lot less stress now. I drive a Nissan instead of a BMW but it still gets me where I want to go.

Rich guy sees a fisherman sitting around on a beach at 11am. He asks him why he isn't working and he says he is done for the day, he already caught enough. Rich guy says why don't you work harder, you can make more money buy another boat and put it to work and make lots of money and retire. Fisherman says 'why so I can sit on the beach'?

#5136 2 years ago

Like most hobbies, coins, stamps, pez dispensers, it really depends on the market. Luckily in the case of pinballs, they have held their value pretty well. Buying pinballs as bona fide investments is foolish. If a hard recession hits expensive collectables usually are the first to fall away. If you enjoy the hobby and spend what you can afford you can find happiness. I am looking at this batman 66 as Stern has billed it- a 30th adversary edition. I understand their pride at such an important milestone. I think they understand that this price point is high. That is why they are making so few. I have to take them at their word and assume pricing structures will return to the pro, premium, LE structure. I understand price will be higher. They always are. I also understand that there may be a special edition here and there but there are always folk clamoring for them. I think the best thing is to take these things as they come and enjoy them as they come. I am very excited to get my hands on this pinball. The format and design looks so good.

#5137 2 years ago
Quoted from clg:

so I can sit on the beach

I found I got a lot luckier sitting on the beach than when I was at work.

#5138 2 years ago
Quoted from PinballAlley:

We are most likely keeping it on display in our showroom. In keeping with the 30th anniversary and to helps sell the LE's. My point was and is that there are many people who are willing to open their wallets wide. I have also toyed with the idea of bringing it home. Eventually it will be for sale. I imagine many of the other 79 will be too. Still in the box and on e-bay for $30,000.00. Before the incendiary devices start going off, I would never do that. In fact we are struggling with pricing the LE's and Premiums. We have a loyal customer base and are very sensitive to their feelings. In a way these kind of "specials" really put dealers in the corner. Being an old comic book kid, this pinball thrills me. I must say that I am looking forward to seeing this new format in the usual way. Where we have pros,premiums, and LE's. When dealers and buyers are on the same page life is far easier for the dealers. We tend to get our ears chewed on when customers have issues with the maker. It is rightfully so, we are usually the only people they can talk to on behalf of Stern. Having said that I always like it better when everyone is happy.
-Jerry

This assumes the 18 month right-of-first refusal by Stern buyback is broken, right? I don't see any distributor putting this up on ebay, regardless of price, without violating that clause. I would think also, that in order to be an individual that was "selected" to have a chance to the buy the SLE, also has to sign the right-of-first refusal purchase agreement.

#5139 2 years ago
Quoted from DJNOEL30:

Other than the lighting is there anything else that's different? I have been told a mod'd pro with the lighting is a better way to go. Does it play different?

Modding a pro might get you close to the lightshow, but your resale will take a hit because a modded pro is in the less than category vs a Premium.

Lightshow is FAR better on a Premium than a pro, and it updates when they update the firmware. The Hammer/Coffin (see thru coffin you load vs white insert that does nothing on the pro-and no hammer, either). Snake jaw opens and closes, vs stationary on pro. Hit snake to open jaw, hit again to put ball in. I also prefer the art on the backglass of the Premium Monsters vs the Pro. You can get a Premium new for $6700 delivered and have all the features and none of the hassle of trying to make a Pro that's a kind of shadow of the Premium. I've played both extensively and the Pro is weak on Metallica. The overall experience on a Premium is much better.

#5140 2 years ago

Metallica pro killer game and great bang for buck.

#5141 2 years ago
Quoted from DJNOEL30:

dgarret, since I occasionally will be reading and posting on here I would prefer to be accepted as a real person. I don't know who Kaneda is, I guess I can now post the YouTube link to my application video. You can compare it to the story I posted and hopeful that will convince the forum that I am a real person and will take me seriously when I post <year in..
» YouTube video

OK, you are accepted as a real person. Nice vid. Hope you understand the caution , Pinside has been (temporarily) fooled before.

#5142 2 years ago
Quoted from dgarrett:

This assumes the 18 month right-of-first refusal by Stern buyback is broken, right? I don't see any distributor putting this up on ebay, regardless of price, without violating that clause. I would think also, that in order to be an individual that was "selected" to have a chance to the buy the SLE, also has to sign the right-of-first refusal purchase agreement.

I think that whole stupid buyback policy thing went out the door when they upped it from 30 to 80.

Once Stern gets them out the door they don't want them back

#5143 2 years ago
Quoted from fnosm:

The only thing that most people who are very rich have in common is being very lucky.

Personally, I found the harder I worked, the "luckier" I got.

Maybe that was just me.

Luckily my days of working 80-90 hours per week are now over. But I doubt I would be able to do what I do now without that 25 years of hard effort.

rd

#5144 2 years ago

Lots of people work hard all their life and die broke. All hard work guarantees is a tired and broken body.
The stories that are endlessly repeated are those of the few that end up at the top of the heap because no one wants to hear the stories of the billions that struggled all their lives and didn't finish first.

#5145 2 years ago
Quoted from fnosm:

Lots of people work hard all their life and die broke. All hard work guarantees is a tired and broken body.
The stories that are endlessly repeated are those of the few that end up at the top of the heap because no one wants to hear the stories of the billions that struggled all their lives and didn't finish first.

Life isn't fair.

I just came up with that one on my own.

#5146 2 years ago
Quoted from vireland:

Modding a pro might get you close to the lightshow, but your resale will take a hit because a modded pro is in the less than category vs a Premium.
Lightshow is FAR better on a Premium than a pro, and it updates when they update the firmware. The Hammer/Coffin (see thru coffin you load vs white insert that does nothing on the pro-and no hammer, either). Snake jaw opens and closes, vs stationary on pro. Hit snake to open jaw, hit again to put ball in. I also prefer the art on the backglass of the Premium Monsters vs the Pro. You can get a Premium new for $6700 delivered and have all the features and none of the hassle of trying to make a Pro that's a kind of shadow of the Premium. I've played both extensively and the Pro is weak on Metallica. The overall experience on a Premium is much better.

Thanks!! You just gave me something to think about!

#5147 2 years ago

I feel lucky that on the meager wages I make now, I can still afford a nice steak dinner whenever I like, and a large bottle of Jack whenever I please. Oh yeah, and buy these pinball machines whenever I want.

It would have never happened if I didn't have some kind of plan.

My plan now is to make that steak, drink that Jack, maybe play some pinball, and not worry about tomorrow, cause I aint workin' Tuesdays no more.

(disclaimer- I don't worry about the days I do work either)

#5148 2 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

My plan now is to make that steak, drink that Jack, maybe play some pinball, and not worry about tomorrow, cause I aint workin' Tuesdays no more.

As long as there is good steak and jack on the table, all is well with the world.

rd

#5149 2 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

As long as there is good steak and jack on the table, all is well with the world.

rd

And if you've seen my table, then you know how I've learned to make do.

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#5150 2 years ago

It's not a bad life, I tell ya!

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