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Batman 66 by Stern new info


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#451 4 years ago
Quoted from hawkmoon:

Commissioner Gorden always used the Bat Light to summon the Dark Knight to his task!Bat phone came later!!

It definitely needs one of these.

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#452 4 years ago

street light in need of viagra?

#453 4 years ago

So I guess no $10k by Xmas since it's coming out sooner?

#454 4 years ago

Patiently awaiting for Teekee to weigh in here...

#455 4 years ago
Quoted from Nevus:

Patiently awaiting for Teekee to weigh in here...

He's probably too busy hoarding all the Adam West meet and greet passes.

#456 4 years ago
Quoted from Nevus:

Patiently awaiting for Teekee to weigh in here...

I'd figure by now he would be roasting this thread !
Super LE 10k

MDF cabinet, China lcd, tin back box, Once Gary sold out the writing is on the wall ! Delete coin Door and put it in Costco ! Next is 1/2 ply playfields, JJP ! Is in the driver's seat now

Send money now!! Before you miss out ,

#457 4 years ago
Quoted from Nevus:

Patiently awaiting for Teekee to weigh in here...

Poor guy probably got put in a straight jacket because he couldn't stop laughing.

#458 4 years ago

The real Sega pins were made in Japan from 1971 to 1979

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#459 4 years ago
Quoted from TomGWI:

Just as long as it doesn't look like this.

"Get the phone!" That's a killer shot in W?D. The ringing and hurry up are so rewarding.

#460 4 years ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

I personally think it's funny as hell that Jared is back on Pinside up-voting any positive Stern post (like the original post in this thread) and hiding from any ghosting, chipping, overdue code, delivery, mis-matched rails, or any other QA/QC issue like it's the plague.

He's just keeping it positive... many Pinsiders should follow his example.

#461 4 years ago
Quoted from eggbert52:

If it's on a Stern play field then it will be the first LCD screen ever to have ghosting.

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#462 4 years ago

I'd love it if the so-called 'Super LE' turned out to be one of those Wrestlemanias they can't give away rethemed with Batman artwork.

#463 4 years ago

For the $15000 usd for the super le they would want to throw in 2 wrestmanias lol

#464 4 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

No pro, bigger prices, LCD screen, deposits...sounds familiar.

Looks like Jack was right.

#465 4 years ago
Quoted from Circus_Animal:

I'd love it if the so-called 'Super LE' turned out to be one of those Wrestlemanias they can't give away rethemed with Batman artwork.

It's the "Super LE" that is bothering me about this one. Not having a Pro bugged me a bit on SMVE, but it really is the invitation only, Super Duper Gary's Friends edition that sticks in my craw here. Plus the "We will announce prices after we see how fast the regular LE sells before you see a picture" thing.

And my irritation aside, it sounds like it's working for them. Plenty of people lining up for the LE. So good for them.

#466 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

You miss a few points
- You ignore the need for product differentiation - its not just about BOM costs, but also about supporting your price points and product spread.
- the pro is built on a lower margin than the other games... boosting development costs hurts the lowest margin game the most
- if you think you can convert pro sales into premium... then the pro is leaving money on the table
- if you want to price the games radically different than the old pro price... the easiest way to defeat that backlash is not offer a pro
Stern knows what sells... they've seen their 'loaded' pro models sell great. So what does that tell you? The demand push is for the fuller games, not the stripped out ones. The location games of today are being ran by 'the faithful', not your redemption route operator looking for the cheapest thing around.
Stern can simply be thinking that $6k is a reasonable entry point for its new games and that they can get it. Eliminating a model also reduces overhead significantly.
There are plenty of reasons TO do it.... the question is will the market support the new price point. Stern is in a hell of a lot better position than us to forecast that.
It could be as simple as not every title gets the full range... if you have a premium brand/title... force people to buy up to get it. Maybe you see them alternate...
All we know is, Stern has not been shy with changing the formula in the past... so I don't think we need to be digging in thinking the current model is forever. They can change title to title.. and have.

Excellent post. This looks like a good title to test whether 'loaded' machines are the way to go for most profit.

#467 4 years ago

Never been a big fan of the Adam West Batman, but man, if I had a collection of pinball machines, getting all the Batman Pins would be on that list. I'd probably buy this one sight unseen.

#468 4 years ago
Quoted from docquest:

I asked that question to my distributor and was told that the VIP pass was just for the adam west meet and greet from 3 to 6. You still need to buy a separate ticket if you want to go to the evening party after that.

You are correct.....I mis-stated that.

#469 4 years ago
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:

Correct, if enthusiasts are aware what is going on in the industry.
"Super LE" is just another meaning for the same thing as the original LE.
"LE" is just another meaning for premium.
"Premium" will be just an upgraded Pro with LEDs.
"Pro" is whatever is determined people will accept with with reduced features, which keep getting cut.
The list is very long now, but most don't even know what was removed.
SMVE is a good example, however of what buyers were bamboozled with overall.
It is a 9 year old license pro game with a new art package, some different dots and sounds, for another bump of $2000.
Most original SM have stayed fairly consistent in value in comparison to other titles based on interest.
It should never have been at the same level of cost as a current premium game.
You can change a name of anything to make it "more exciting", but it is still the same game.
As long as people keep throwing money at manufacturers, "teepee for my bunghole" methodology will continue.
If a person wants to complain about prices whether NIB or used secondary market, look in the mirror.
People are pricing themselves right out of the hobby now, across the world.
Just read the multiple posts in this thread, ludicrous, even if a person is talking out of their a$$.
I just no longer have empathy in these situations to help with regarding education.
"The only way some people learn is by getting burned."
The market is churning, making butter, and eventually will be overchurned into something else that is very sour.

I see several types of pins

ones like WWE, Avengers LE etc... titles sink like a rock (XMLE, Mustang, TFLE).

Ones that are about even plus/minus once they are out of production (STLE, TWD, Met)

Ones that sell for more than original price (very few) this might be Tron LE, BSM and AcDc LE.

So three times the LE is worth more and Tron an exception because so far no premium or VE.

AcDc it can be argued that Luci and premium both have done better than keep even.

ST, TWD Met not out of production yet so still keeping the secondary market down.

But overall I see more argument for Not getting the LEs.

The LE, pre order is hurting the buyers as just a few really sold out quick maybe Met, AcDc and GB the rest IMO you could get a few months or many months later.

#470 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Thanks for clearing all that up. I can only go by what I read. I also heard Sam Stern owned Williams for a while. Perhaps that is true?

Correct. Two separate times. I think he sold it once and re-bought it another time. The Tilt! documentary has a timeline of Williams in the beginning part.

#471 4 years ago
Quoted from DaveH:

It's the "Super LE" that is bothering me about this one.

I'm still bothered by it. I'm also a little concerned if this will be an ongoing product offering now. Will every new title have a Super LE? So, every new title has a "real" LE, and then another LE for the rest of us?

It's not "Give me an LE or nothing"... but it's "If you're offering me a second tier LE (with price hike)... then maybe I skip paying extra for that LE and go with a premium... later, if I still feel like it".

Some people have commented that maybe I'm good enough a customer that I could call in some Stern favors and go for one of these Super LEs... but again, is this just the start of a new way of doing things? Do I have to deal with Super LEs from now on? As one of their good LE customers, they are bordering on running me off.

#472 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

I'm still bothered by it. I'm also a little concerned if this will be an ongoing product offering now. Will every new title have a Super LE? So, every new title has a "real" LE, and then another LE for the rest of us?
It's not "Give me an LE or nothing"... but it's "If you're offering me a second tier LE (with price hike)... then maybe I skip paying extra for that LE and go with a premium... later, if I still feel like it".
Some people have commented that maybe I'm good enough a customer that I could call in some Stern favors and go for one of these Super LEs... but again, is this just the start of a new way of doing things? Do I have to deal with Super LEs from now on? As one of their good LE customers, they are bordering on running me off.

We just don't know what the differences are yet. Could be significant, could be lame.

If it's just an additional signature or something, who cares?

#473 4 years ago
Quoted from Air_Pinball:

We just don't know what the differences are yet. Could be significant, could be lame.
If it's just an additional signature or something, who cares?

Well, exactly. We've not been given the information. Every previous announcement came with a feature matrix (and usually playfield mock up photos). This time I'm being told to make a deposit and not even know these things. How can anyone feel good about that?

#474 4 years ago

I'm STOKED to see the Stern LCD is here. Finally! The DMD is done (aside from VE's & side projects).

I will admit I'm a Stern fan boy but I keep it real. The lack of QC, code + the high prices & defective PF's = it's best to sit on the sidelines for now.

Also I don't think this the the dawn of the Pro @ Premium pricing. Example: nowhere on the flyer did it say the LE's would have the crane while Premium would not.

Cant wait to see what the LCD will do to Stern Pinball. Fuck! Sweet!

#475 4 years ago

I wonder if the invite only purchase will come with a contract. Mainly, you can't buy the machine to resell at a higher price for X amount of time.

That's probably why they are doing the invite only. To hand select people who probably won't be reselling it before they even have the machine.

#476 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

I'm still bothered by it. I'm also a little concerned if this will be an ongoing product offering now. Will every new title have a Super LE? So, every new title has a "real" LE, and then another LE for the rest of us?
It's not "Give me an LE or nothing"... but it's "If you're offering me a second tier LE (with price hike)... then maybe I skip paying extra for that LE and go with a premium... later, if I still feel like it".
Some people have commented that maybe I'm good enough a customer that I could call in some Stern favors and go for one of these Super LEs... but again, is this just the start of a new way of doing things? Do I have to deal with Super LEs from now on? As one of their good LE customers, they are bordering on running me off.

Cronyism isn't a good look for them. It's going to turn a lot of would be buyers off. Even for those in a position to exploit it, I suspect many will feel uneasy.

If you want a high end, high build quality pinball machine these days (which should command a high price) I'd say Stern no longer even make product for the market. JJP, DP and I'd like to think Heighway in future are surely the quality items.

Why pay the same price for a Stern that's likely $1000s cheaper in some cases to build, and what's worse, looks, feels and wears like 4 figure savings have been made too.

#477 4 years ago
Quoted from Air_Pinball:

We just don't know what the differences are yet.

Super LE's will have one of the apron cards signed by Gene, Paul, [guitar guy] and [drum guy].

#478 4 years ago

Are the 240 LEs already sold out with distributors?

#479 4 years ago

Rediculous, but not surprised. 5K was my cap. Time to find another outlet for my expendable income.

#480 4 years ago
Quoted from Duff:

Rediculous, but not surprised. 5K was my cap. Time to find another outlet for my expendable income.

There are literally hundreds of pinball machines you can acquire for under $5K. Why not give one of those games a shot before going the hookers n blow route?

#481 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

This time I'm being told to make a deposit and not even know these things. How can anyone feel good about that?

I was told its a refundable deposit until we can see and find out more. I was also told the deposit will likely have a commitment date after which it becomes non-refundable.

#482 4 years ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Why not give one of those games a shot before going the hookers n blow route?

That's a tough trade off, I have given up a few pins over the years in that regard.

#483 4 years ago
Quoted from Trekkie1978:

Are the 240 LEs already sold out with distributors?

Just about...

#484 4 years ago
Quoted from Nevus:

Patiently awaiting for Teekee to weigh in here...

Why would he do that? He's not losing money on Stern sales......

#485 4 years ago

I have been told its non refundable deposit! With no feature matrix between the Super LE,LE, Premium this is a new level of Chutzpah or its a crazy marketing experiment by Stern.

#486 4 years ago
Quoted from PW79:

I will admit I'm a Stern fan boy but I keep it real.

That's actually a completely contradictory statement.

Remove the word "boy" from your statement and it's fine. The term "fan boy" applies to someone who is such a fanatic of a company that, in their eyes, they can never do any wrong and they will constantly deny any possible shortcomings of the company, make excuses for them, and generally bash anyone who criticizes said company. I.e., they are completely blinded by their allegiance to the company and can't be remotely objective. They never "keep it real."

#487 4 years ago
Quoted from Khabbi:

I waiting for the "Super-Duper" LE. I hear you get a personal call from Gary Stern himself inviting you to blow your money.

I get those phone calls from Gary all the time, even on my Pro purchases

#488 4 years ago

Well,on the price,my Dist.told me $7500-8000.for a Pre,and he thought 8500.for the LE! Thats in keeping for what they've been asking for LE models!And remember,this pin has 2 LCD displays! Some one said they saw a flier on this pin?Where please?? Thanks all!!

#489 4 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I was told its a refundable deposit until we can see and find out more. I was also told the deposit will likely have a commitment date after which it becomes non-refundable.

I heard that as well. Once full pricing and pics are revealed there will be a window of time to back out and get your deposit back. Once that window is past the deposit is non refundable.

#490 4 years ago

Yes,docquest,thats what i was told as well!!

Quoted from docquest:I heard that as well. Once full pricing and pics are revealed there will be a window of time to back out and get your deposit back. Once that window is past the deposit is non refundable.

#491 4 years ago
Quoted from Air_Pinball:

Ghostbusters was the 4th SPIKE pin (5th if you count Nellie), so it was not a test for Batman 66.
Domestic Ghostbusters will start being delivered in September, not October.

There where test AC-DC and transformers games on spike with some kind of emulation system. Both buggy (system? / hardware? bugs).

#492 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

I'm still bothered by it. I'm also a little concerned if this will be an ongoing product offering now. Will every new title have a Super LE? So, every new title has a "real" LE, and then another LE for the rest of us?

Why let it bother you? Special 'games for special people' have been done throughout history (easy example.. the custom STTNG pins for the cast). So such variations are always out there... heck even look at people who manage to get their hands on whitewoods, etc. These one-off, or limited run games have always been around and have always been 'you have to know someone..' or be in a special circumstance to get one. So these new models don't really change anything in the grand scheme of things... and the only people it impacts are those who either

a) are willing to throw more money than sense at things... because they can
or
b) those who believe they MUST have the most elusive stuff and are miff'd they don't have access to get it
or
c) those who think they are special and are miff'd they didn't get invited

If you want one... guaranteed they will end up on the secondary market.

The presence of the game doesn't change anything to the collector or hobby market. If you want one.. buy it when it becomes available. If you don't want one.. life goes on.

#493 4 years ago
Quoted from hawkmoon:

Well,on the price,my Dist.told me $7500-8000.for a Pre,and he thought 8500.for the LE! Thats in keeping for what they've been asking for LE models!And remember,this pin has 2 LCD displays! Some one said they saw a flier on this pin?Where please?? Thanks all!!

My distro told me $10.5k MSRP for the LE, didn't ask about prem and was told "NO!" on the SLE.

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#494 4 years ago

Batman 66 prototype backbox picture, please don't let anyone know you saw it here or who posted it. Thanks.

Brad

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#495 4 years ago
Quoted from hawkmoon:

Well,on the price,my Dist.told me $7500-8000.for a Pre,and he thought 8500.for the LE! Thats in keeping for what they've been asking for LE models!And remember,this pin has 2 LCD displays! Some one said they saw a flier on this pin?Where please?? Thanks all!!

The VERY first post.

#496 4 years ago
Quoted from SuperPinball:

My distro told me $10.5k MSRP for the LE, didn't ask about prem and was told "NO!" on the SLE.

If true that probably means it'll be significantly more than a WOZ Ruby Red or Hobbit Smaug in the UK - currently £8995 (~$11,800). Good luck selling those.

Edit: or are you talking C$ ... ?

#497 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

(easy example.. the custom STTNG pins for the cast)

While those were very cool, all they have that's different is a little plaque and some speech outtakes in the ROM. I have two friends who own STTNG cast machines, and the story of getting them from the cast members is cooler than anything else about them, IMHO.

The LE thing has always been a cash grab, and it only works if people feel like the intangible value is worth the extra. If you dilute the special sauce that's harder to do.

Doesn't seem like Stern is having trouble selling them out still, so probably no big deal to them.

#498 4 years ago

Sterns moves make sense - here's the way I see it. Overall, market theory always works, supply and demand meet at a price where all units of whatever are traded.

The LE and premium markets, as Stern defines, pros-operators, collectors=LE and home enthusiasts=Premium

It also follows, that blink has higher profit, so the highest per-unit-profit machines are LE, then Premium, then pro. However, the most $ of profits probably come from pros, b/c so many units are sold.

30 Super LEs are Gary's to choose - Gary's gift to 30 year anniversary friends - Gary always takes #1. Joe K owning a batmobile, likely #2, Adam West #3?, speculate from there.

240 LE's are likely really blinged out with signed PF by Gary and maybe Adam West. Home collectors with $
Premiums - home enthusiasts (w/the Batman theme, the tought may be operators will pay up, so skip pros which have a lower profit).

Since Batman LE are 240 (rather than ST 799, for example), there will be some usual LE buyers who won't get in, and therefore more demand for Premiums.

Regarding new moves on marketing BM66
1. the "deposit" of $500 or $2000 is ala Spooky, not a pre-order, but an set place in production line and allows them to buy parts for your game on your dime, not theirs. I don't see it as a sign of "we can't afford to buy parts on our own" or full-pay preorder risk for the buyer. You can back out after price and pics are shown - you won't have played it yet to feel the layout or experience the software - but you're not depositing "blind" with no opt out. You are buying a spot though, so treat it as a final purchase decision.

2. Distributors likely got an allocation of the 240, based on past business. The #1 volume distributor probably got the most - some LE's make be left at some distributors, but these are mostly already spoken for, and there may be a few left - but the factory sold out immediately. (Most distributors have sold out, from what I heard Monday, quickly after the official reveal)

3. I suspect many are waiting b/c Premiums will unlimited, and hesitation over current QA issues.

4. The $500 gets you an invite and signing, is a bonus pull to overcome the QA hesitation, as is the option to cancel the otherwise non-refundable if the pics and final price reverse your decision.

5. The large jump in price is part JJP success but I think this was Mostly the extreme resale values of Tron LE and ACDC LEs
STern felt they left $2-3k to the secondary market as a mistake in reading the incredible resurgence of the hobby and surprising number of collectors and enthusiast will to pay up for Prem/LE. Expo showed there were many collectors with bitching about being ignored, but to Stern's surprise, they actually had a lot of $ to put where there mouth was - that more bling, even at higher markups for those topend features or scareness, was actually a pretty broad and deep market, that went well beyond being a one-off, and turns out to people with $ who can buy multiple themes at the premium or LE level, so its worth the risk to build some quantity to take advantage. I think making too few LOTR LE, also told them they missed an opportunity.

The Tron girls backglass, also revealed that some want unique or choices on toys, or mods or art packages. They were late to the factory mod options, because they were cautious that it wasnt a fad, and they could make good margins on volume.

So, I think Stern is learning and adapting their model, based on the competition and better understanding of the pinball community. They are in business to make money, and we want profitable producers so they keep producing, and competition to keep the prices honest.

I give them credit for adjusting and listening, even though it may be seen as being opportunistic on raising prices, or waiting to make positive changes longer than we'd like.

#499 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

I'm still bothered by it. I'm also a little concerned if this will be an ongoing product offering now. Will every new title have a Super LE? So, every new title has a "real" LE, and then another LE for the rest of us?
It's not "Give me an LE or nothing"... but it's "If you're offering me a second tier LE (with price hike)... then maybe I skip paying extra for that LE and go with a premium... later, if I still feel like it".
Some people have commented that maybe I'm good enough a customer that I could call in some Stern favors and go for one of these Super LEs... but again, is this just the start of a new way of doing things? Do I have to deal with Super LEs from now on? As one of their good LE customers, they are bordering on running me off.

Super LE OT: So does this mean Stern could produce a Super LE of any game they have ever made?

#500 4 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I was told its a refundable deposit until we can see and find out more. I was also told the deposit will likely have a commitment date after which it becomes non-refundable.

ditto to what i was told.....and 9kish on the LE

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