To keep non-conductive metal from re-rusting I often use a basic pinball wax to keep it from oxidizing again. Might help here as I imagine most of these parts won't still have protective plating.
To keep non-conductive metal from re-rusting I often use a basic pinball wax to keep it from oxidizing again. Might help here as I imagine most of these parts won't still have protective plating.
Quoted from jazc4:If you guys have any advice or see me doing something stupid on this one, please let me know.
I mean, you've already dragged it home instead of the dump so I don't really have anything to add
Seems like you are taking the right approach. Just clean everything. A lot.
Good news is there's a million CFs out there so shouldn't be hard to get some photos so you can compare yours when putting it back together.
Quoted from jazc4:If you guys have any advice or see me doing something stupid on this one…
Take 100 photos of the underside. Because you’ll forget what goes where instantly - we all do.
Your idea of the second ply is good .. just note where all the wires go.
If your aim is to remove everything from the playfield so you can clean the old one … maybe a good idea would be to remove *everything* now — loom and all — and switch it all over to the second plywood.
Then as you clean a part, you can solder it straight back in while the memory is fresh as to where the wires go.
^^ that’s how I do a playfield swap - and that’s essentially what you’re doing here. Albeit you’re moving all the parts back again eventually.
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Here's a nice example of perceived junk transformed into a masterpiece.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/terminator-2-restore#post-1605378
Quoted from CrazyLevi:I mean, you've already dragged it home instead of the dump so I don't really have anything to add
Seems like you are taking the right approach. Just clean everything. A lot.
Good news is there's a million CFs out there so shouldn't be hard to get some photos so you can compare yours when putting it back together.
In the long run, this may have been a better deal but you kinda miss the experience.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/153180
Quoted from ElectroMagnetic:In the long run, this may have been a better deal but you kinda miss the experience.
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that looks great for $800........wish I was still in Mass
Quoted from A_Bord:To keep non-conductive metal from re-rusting I often use a basic pinball wax to keep it from oxidizing again. Might help here as I imagine most of these parts won't still have protective plating.
I wonder if he would be better off removing oxidation on plated parts with a dremel with some kind of brush? Looking at the before and after with the evapor-rust, I question if it isn’t the solvent that is eating off the plating? You are basically creating a battery in this process where you have two metals and a liquid and the plated material is acting as a sacrificial metal in the process.
Quoted from Coindork:I wonder if he would be better off removing oxidation on plated parts with a dremel with some kind of brush? Looking at the before and after with the evapor-rust, I question if it isn’t the solvent that is eating off the plating? You are basically creating a battery in this process where you have two metals and a liquid and the plated material is acting as a sacrificial metal in the process.
That makes sense to me. I've seen evaporust take all the plating off my rusted parts before and didn't really think about why that was happening. Thinking out loud: once the plating is compromised by the rust I wonder how much protection the rest of the metal can enjoy and for how long.
Quoted from vinnypeppers:that looks great for $800........wish I was still in Mass
Got the first two mounted. On the next piece 2 rivets came off. I need to find our the size of them so I can put new rivets in. I have the pintonka rivet tool. It may be too big to place those small rivets. I guess I could make the holes bigger and use a larger diameter rivet.
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Don’t worry if a rivet breaks, just use a zip tie man.
Progress is gonna be slower than I thought. I soaked the parts in Evaporust. Then I used my micro blaster and stuff brushes to get them clean. I couldn’t resist and drilled out the broken rivets and put néw rivets in their place.
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EM’s are actually the easiest pins to get back in operating condition. Because like you said, it’s all mechanical. Find the problem and fix it. No complicated, expensive boards to buy. Shine it up play your heart out!
I’m back working on the next part. I have taken it off the board and somewhat taken apart. I don’t even know what this part is called. I assume it has to do with scoring and game progression?
I hate to de-solder all of those switches, but am more than willing if that’s what I need to do to get it clean. I don’t mind going for it all the way, but I also don’t want to dismantle every piece if it’s not necessary. Any advice on cleaning this piece?
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I wouldn't, you may never get it back to normal. Just spray it down with your choice of cleaner..simple green or if really bad I have actually used foamy engine bright.
Let it soak for 15 mins and hose off.
-Mike
Quoted from jazc4:I hate to de-solder all of those switches, but am more than willing if that’s what I need to do to get it clean.
If you do, I've got new clear tubing to replace the old yellow stuff.
Now that you have the actual score motor removed I would next remove the transformer.
Then just detach everything off of the old ply and put the entire wire harness with all the mechs and steppers all still attached in a smaller sized storage bin and submerse it all in evaporust for at least 2 or 3 days. It wont hurt any of the other materials like the plastic pieces or bakelight boards of the steppers.
Kind of like this, but you should leave everything together.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/handshake-in-space-space-mission-/page/3#post-7258227
Take a ton of pictures as you unscrew everything from the old board dont desolder anything more than the transformer at this point
When you take it out of the evaporust I would rinse it all off outside and immediately hit it with an air compressor everywhere with it laid out on concrete in the sun and just keep hitting it with air until youre certain its dry.
Especially in between all of those switch blades, dont give the oxidation a chance to come back by just letting it sit and air dry on its own.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:If you do, I've got new clear tubing to replace the old yellow stuff.
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Quoted from mrm_4:Now that you have the actual score motor removed I would next remove the transformer.
Then just detach everything off of the old ply and put the entire wire harness with all the mechs and steppers all still attached in a smaller sized storage bin and submerse it all in evaporust for at least 2 or 3 days. It wont hurt any of the other materials like the plastic pieces or bakelight boards of the steppers.
Kind of like this, but you should leave everything together.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/handshake-in-space-space-mission-/page/3#post-7258227
Take a ton of pictures as you unscrew everything from the old board dont desolder anything more than the transformer at this point
When you take it out of the evaporust I would rinse it all off outside and immediately hit it with an air compressor everywhere with it laid out on concrete in the sun and just keep hitting it with air until youre certain its dry.
Especially in between all of those switch blades, dont give the oxidation a chance to come back by just letting it sit and air dry on its own.
Quoted from jazc4:Thank you Sir! I may also need to order some for my TOTAN build.
Hah! I'm currently working on one of those myself.
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Quoted from jazc4:Awesome. I'll be hard pressed to make mine as nice as you will. Could I ask a favor? Could you measure your TOTAN backboard? I have to make one from scratch. I don't know the thickness of the board or the dimensions to use. I would appreciate it if possible.
Here ya go.
I forgot the height of the cutout on the bottom. It's 1 3/8".
And it’s 1/2” thick.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:Here ya go.
I forgot the height of the cutout on the bottom. It's 1 3/8".
And it’s 1/2” thick.
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Quoted from jazc4:Perfect!! Thank you very much. I'm missing a couple of the ball guides. No one has them. If you don't mind, I might need a few dimensions on those along the way. With your approval, I'll PM you about them.
More than happy to help but this thing will be fully populated in the next couple of days.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:More than happy to help but this thing will be fully populated in the next couple of days.
After focusing on TOTAN, I decided to get back on this. I took everything off the old board and power purpled the whole harness and mechs. I scrubbed it well, washed, and let dry. I cut a new mounting board for the larger bank of relays. The relays seemed gummed up, so I took the first one apart and cleaned it. I started mounting the harness on the new board to help me organize the mechs as I take each one apart.
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Next will be to mount it to the board.
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Quoted from yancy:Amazing score motor transformation. I saw the first photo in that post before reading the text. Assumed it was going to say, "so I threw this out..."
Quoted from jazc4:I got the transformer all cleaned up and painted. I also took apart the score counter(not sure if that’s the name of it) and cleaned it with Power Purple. I then removed all rust with Evaporust, sandpaper, and belt sander. Sprayed parts with primer and paint. Reassembled them.
Next will be to mount it to the board.
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Just to be sure, you opened the cam motor gearbox by drilling out the rivets, cleaned and re-lubed, yes?
Quoted from SteveinTexas:Just to be sure, you opened the cam motor gearbox by drilling out the rivets, cleaned and re-lubed, yes?
It reminds me of repairing the gearboxes on Red and Ted's heads in Road Show.
Per Steve’s advice and after research, I drilled out the rivets. I took the gearbox apart. I cleaned the gears and the box itself. I lightly lubed the gears. I need to go to Ace and get some bolts and locking nuts to secure it. Should have it back together and mounted by the end of the weekend. Below is before and after pics.
Quoted from jazc4:Per Steve’s advice and after research, I drilled out the rivets. I took the gearbox apart. I cleaned the gears and the box itself. I lightly lubed the gears. I need to go to Ace and get some bolts and locking nuts to secure it. Should have it back together and mounted by the end of the weekend. Below is before and after pics.
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I usually rivet them. It’s a 1/8” hollow rivet. You can get a punch from Hanson. Steve at PBR has the rivets. I have a bunch but am down in Galveston.
Got the rivet holes sized. Nuts and bolts put in and gearbox back together. I didn’t use rivets so that if I made any mistakes I could easily get back in it.
If mine had a nylon washer I couldn’t find one. I cut down a new one. I’m hoping to mount it this weekend.
Quoted from jazc4:I got the transformer all cleaned up and painted. I also took apart the score counter(not sure if that’s the name of it) and cleaned it with Power Purple. I then removed all rust with Evaporust, sandpaper, and belt sander. Sprayed parts with primer and paint. Reassembled them.
Next will be to mount it to the board.
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Dang! I need to know. I'm in the same boat as you and another pinsider play_pinball shared your story.
So I can -
1. what can I get wet with purple power? (like did you soak all the solenoids?)
2. did you submerge the whole score reel? (looks like it has its own transformer)
3. did you just wipe down the transformer and then paint it?
Totally following your progress now! Nice work.
Here's what my Flip Flop looks like.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/flip-flops-falling-out-of-the-sky-first-pin-first-resto
1. It's always a good idea to do a spot check with any chemical before saturation. I never soak solenoids. Although it may be ok to do. I'm not sure.
2. I was worried about the score reel and Power Purple. After checking, I started with a spray down of Power Purple then put the score reel in my ultrasound with Mean Green. It came out clean and with no damage at all.
3. I sanded the transformer. Then I sand blasted the rust off before a thorough cleaning. Lastly I taped it off, primed and painted it. I put black gorilla tape over the coil covers to make it look nicer.
I saw your project. I'll be following it as well. Take your time and it will turn out awesome.
Quoted from ManbearpigOG:Dang! I need to know. I'm in the same boat as you and another pinsider play_pinball shared your story.
So I can -
1. what can I get wet with purple power? (like did you soak all the solenoids?)
2. did you submerge the whole score reel? (looks like it has its own transformer)
3. did you just wipe down the transformer and then paint it?
Totally following your progress now! Nice work.
Here's what my Flip Flop looks like.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/flip-flops-falling-out-of-the-sky-first-pin-first-resto
I would not use purple power for anything on a pinball. It will turn the metal plating black if left too long. Use the zep citrus degreaser diluted as a good general cleaner.
Quoted from SteveinTexas:I would not use purple power for anything on a pinball. It will turn the metal plating black if left too long. Use the zep citrus degreaser diluted as a good general cleaner.
Quoted from SteveinTexas:I would not use purple power for anything on a pinball. It will turn the metal plating black if left too long. Use the zep citrus degreaser diluted as a good general cleaner.
And I use Purple Power on everything in a pinball. Also works best full strength.
It will, however, turn things black if you soak them in PP and leave them too long.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:And I use Purple Power on everything in a pinball. Also works best full strength.
It will, however, turn things black if you soak them in PP and leave them too long.
Look, I know everyone is obsessed with the abbreviations and acronyms in this hobby but do you really want to be a grown man telling your buds you soak parts in PP?
Quoted from mrm_4:Look, I know everyone is obsessed with the abbreviations and acronyms in this hobby but do you really want to be a grown man telling your buds you soak parts in PP?
You're right.
I lost my head there for a moment.
Quoted from mrm_4:soak parts in PP?
Now that you mention it... would that work? Guys I just invented a product to rival LumaLegz.
Work has me working overtime preparing for a big presentation. This weekend has been the first chance to spend a couple of hours on this project.
I got the new power switch wired in. I added the extension to the ground wire that was chewed short. I got the service outlet repaired and mounted. I had to use some heat shrink to cover some areas of the wires that had insulation nips from the previous inhabitants. I double checked the continuity of both wires from outlet to transformer and all was good. I also mounted the handle and the score reel. The next challenge is to repair the harness at the Jones plugs. The rats did a lot of nibbling on them.
IMG_9005 (resized).jpegIMG_9015 (resized).jpegI gave the score reel switches a much needed 24 hour Evaporust bath. After a good rinsing and water brushing, I dried them with a towel and compressed air. I reattached it to the frame. When I turned the scoring reel, the switches reacted. However, I’ll wait to test it until complete assembly to see if the switches are properly opening and closing.
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Quoted from uphamj:Everything is looking good. This is a hobby so take your time. If you only have a few minutes here and there that fine.
I had a few minutes and I want to get the harness ready to repair all of the rat nibbles (see picture). Some of the wires have some insulation missing but the wire is intact. Notice especially the orange and the yellow wire both have small nips out of the insulation.
What is the best way to fix? I hate to cut the wire and have to splice it back together in order to heat shrink to fix the insulation. I appreciate any advice.
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