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Bare playfield and overlay

By fb_rider

11 months ago


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#1 11 months ago

I have an Eight Ball Deluxe bare playfield and a Fabulous Fantasies overlay and looking for suggestions on how to proceed. Do I clear first, put down the overlay, then clear again? I can't say that I'm real excited about using automotive clear coat with all thats required to spray it. Thoughts?

#2 11 months ago

Automotive clear is extremely durable when mixed right. With the correct clear, and hardener its great stuff. Just dont use an aerosol can. My thought would be spray it, and allow 3 weeks for the clear to gas out, then apply the overlay. Id imagine the process is similar to automotive clear bra. The general rule is, allow several weeks for the paint to gas out/harder then apply tthe film.

#3 11 months ago

I would highly suggest a hard top, rather than overlay.

http://www.outsideedgeproducts.com/store/p75/Pinball_Playfield_Hardtop.html

You wouldn't have to deal with clear coating or decal wrinkling.

#4 11 months ago

Sell the overlay, let it be someone else's problem

Get a hardtop

#5 11 months ago

Get a hardtop.

If you go overlay: you are going to have to clear it.
use glamour 2k 2pac in spray can.
Premixed, premeasured.
No left over cans of clear and associated chemicals. ( unless you plan on doing multiple restorations)
Clean up is: throw away can.
$22 per can, more $ per use yes, and i generally use 3 cans per playfield restoration, but easy peasy.
Always fresh, i buy it when i am going to use it.

Just as deadly though so use the necessary ppe.

#6 11 months ago

Herb’s EBD and KISS overlays were by far the best back when nothing else was available. I did several of both and tried several different methods of applications. I will be glad to share the method that ending up being my go to, but before I do a couple warnings: prep is critical, patience as well and last but not least time spent to achieve a perfect overlay application does not make sense now that the hardtop is available. One last point to disclose, no substitute for a complete playfield swap.

#7 11 months ago

Hardtop, or CPR playfield swap is the only thing I would even consider today.

So many issues with the overlay. Even if a higher quality. Prep, alignment, clarity of instead when done, fixing cupped inserts, ball not rolling correctly, like you are playing on shag carpet, Wrinkling down the road if you have the game in a hot garage. I have first hand see all of these problems with overlays. Even if it looks good on day 1, think about 3-5 years down the road and 5k to 10k plays later. Durability has to be considered here.

Hardtop abd new playfield address all the above.

There is so much work getting back together, the cost difference to buy a hard tip is insignificant to the amount of effort to tear back apart and peal off a crappy overlay.

#8 11 months ago

I was in the same boat as you, I would listen to the guys with the experience saying a Hardtop would be quicker/easier, it wasn’t released at the time I was working on this or I would have looked at going that route

I can’t speak to how it will wear as I finished the playfield a year ago and I am still working on the cabinet.

Here is the basic method I used with the Fabulous Fantasies overlay on my Eight ball deluxe
Sanded the playfield
Sprayed two 2K 2pac clear in a can on the bare wood
Let it sit for about a month
applied the overlay wet using rapid tac
another two weeks to let it dry
Sprayed another two 2K 2pac clear cans on top
polished and reassembled
I had no wrinkling or any issue with reassembling, a few of the keylines aren't perfect

here are two pictures of the finished project

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#9 11 months ago

Thanks for all the responses. Actually I have a CPR playfield on the way already, and was just looking to take this bare playfield, along with my original playfield and the 2 overlays I have to make 2 playfields that I could sell. So I'll probably go ahead and just sell everything and install the CPR - along with a new backglass and plastics

#10 11 months ago
Quoted from ranman2001:

I was in the same boat as you, I would listen to the guys with the experience saying a Hardtop would be quicker/easier, it wasn’t released at the time I was working on this or I would have looked at going that route
I can’t speak to how it will wear as I finished the playfield a year ago and I am still working on the cabinet.
Here is the basic method I used with the Fabulous Fantasies overlay on my Eight ball deluxe
Sanded the playfield
Sprayed two 2K 2pac clear in a can on the bare wood
Let it sit for about a month
applied the overlay wet using rapid tac
another two weeks to let it dry
Sprayed another two 2K 2pac clear cans on top
polished and reassembled
I had no wrinkling or any issue with reassembling, a few of the keylines aren't perfect
here are two pictures of the finished project[quoted image][quoted image]

Looks great, thanks for the pics!

#11 11 months ago

I cannot speak to the quality of Fabulous Fantasies, but the Classic Arcades overlay I received off of ebay was beyond garbage, to the point of missing art, incorrect colors... and did I say missing art? No buildings behind insterts in Attack From Mars. The quality of the one you have is likely better, but in my experience they are suitable to make excellent... wallhangers. I could see these being a God Send when no other options were around, but the hardtops and replacement playfields are vastly superior.

Good luck!

I will say, 100% do a visual inspection to verify colors, art, sizing is all correct.

Mine is hanging from my wall.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/afm-overlay-disapointed-pics-inside#post-5811500

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#12 11 months ago

I don’t even like the CPR overlays as wall hangers. They are so bad. They make you mad every time you look at them, are they are not cheap for what crap they are.
Please, throw all these away. If you sell to someone else they might think about destroying a good game by installing

I would love to see just one person chime in here with a positive experience with one of these CPR overlays.

#13 11 months ago
Quoted from athens95:

I don’t even like the CPR overlays as wall hangers. They are so bad. They make you mad every time you look at them, are they are not cheap for what crap they are.
Please, throw all these away. If you sell to someone else they might think about destroying a good game by installing
I would love to see just one person chime in here with a positive experience with one of these CPR overlays.

Did CPR ever do any overlays?

#14 11 months ago

Vid,
You know the answer to that. No. Herbs overlays were really good, in fact CPR is using his screens now. Darin at Phoenix made a really good Funhouse overlay as well. The new CPR digital EBD is really nice, better then my screened “Gold”. I wish they would have painted the back grey though, now I need to call in a favor to my neighbor.

#15 11 months ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Did CPR ever do any overlays?

Maybe he meant classic arcades?

I never heard that CPR ever did overlays either.

#16 11 months ago

Sorry, my mistake. Classic arcade overlays.

I have only good things to say about the CPR playfields,

#17 11 months ago

My CPR stuff is with UPS sitting on the other side of the border as of today. I was able to get the 2nd last playfield in the current run. I also put my fabfan overlay on ebay today

ebay.com link: Fabulous Fantasies Eight Ball Deluxe Pinball Overlay

#18 11 months ago

I do overlays for customers from time to time. I sand flat first. Get all the art off. Then clear flat. Sand again except over inserts (you want inserts to be clear here, so you can see them through the overlay) then apply overlay. then clear 3 more times. while block sanding between layers.

#19 11 months ago

So this is a thing of beauty New playfield, backglass, and plastics arrived today!

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#20 11 months ago
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#21 11 months ago

It is a beauty and no overlay required!

#22 11 months ago

Insert inappropriate expression here.
Gonna have to go with SWEET!

#23 11 months ago

Im going to wait a month or two before I install it to give it some extra cure time. I had a bad bridge rectifier and just got it back up and running today so I want to get some winter playtime in first

3 weeks later
#24 10 months ago
Quoted from athens95:

I don’t even like the CPR overlays as wall hangers. They are so bad. They make you mad every time you look at them, are they are not cheap for what crap they are.
Please, throw all these away. If you sell to someone else they might think about destroying a good game by installing
I would love to see just one person chime in here with a positive experience with one of these CPR overlays.

I had an EBD overlay. It lasted about a year and it started getting wrinkly and bubbly from the clearcoat, I assume. I will never use one again, thats for sure.

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#25 9 months ago

yes, rattle can type clears do not work well with overlays. I've done several for people over the years, and they always lasted.

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