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Banning Pinball Museum to auction their collection

By Steve_in_Escalon

3 years ago


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Post #167 Museum Update & upcoming auction Posted by chuckcasey (2 years ago)

Post #467 Rvdv offer on pick up and shipment Posted by rvdv (2 years ago)

Post #858 auction links Posted by cait001 (2 years ago)

Post #1427 Auction lots being sold on which days Posted by oliviarium (2 years ago)

Post #1533 Video stream link Posted by NPO (2 years ago)

Post #2496 live auction stream on twitch Posted by InvaderHouse (2 years ago)

Post #2810 Article about the auction on nerdist Posted by Knxwledge (2 years ago)

Post #3696 Some lot numbers with prices. Posted by HighVoltage (2 years ago)

Post #4227 Auction results Posted by HighVoltage (2 years ago)

Post #4230 All Pinball Machine Auction Prices Posted by bobmathuse (2 years ago)


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#4616 2 years ago

Two things:

First of all, this pinball museum looked AWESOME. I wish it was near where I live, I would have visited 100 times.

Secondly, if you follow auctions, there is no big mystery why these pins and arcade games got bid up so ridiculously high.

1. This auction is the sort of thing that the general public finds highly interesting. If you have a huge auction of plumbing supplies, the general public won't give even a tiny micro craap and the bidding will get done by a small number of people who know exactly how much the plumbing supplies are worth.

But an auction of pinballs and classic 80s arcade games is a "remarkable" and "exciting" thing that will get a lot of newspaper coverage as a general interest story. This news coverage will grab the interest of a huge number of potential bidders.

2. Most of the people bidding are outsiders to the hobby, who don't know what the normal prices are, and who don't know where to buy games. They think that this is their only remaining chance in their lifetime to buy a Ms. Pac machine and they have no idea what they normally sell for.

3. When 100,000+ people know about an auction, and the auction is selling something "remarkable" and "neato", the auction is going to be dominated by the big-money bidders and the slap-happy-auction-fever bidders.

In other words, a 60 year old dentist named Fred and his wife Janet make $300k a year between them and their kids are all done with college and their house is paid off. They got nothing to spend their money on.

Fred reads about this amazing incredo-auction of pinballs in the news and gets all excited because he hasn't played Battlezone since 1988.

"Janet! Remember how I used to play Battlezone and you loved to play Ms. Pac Man?? There is a huge auction in two weeks! Let's get a Battlezone and a Ms. Pac Man!!"

Then the bidding starts and the guy gets auction fever and ends up with a $3,800 Battlezone because a 58 year old accountant in Des Moines got into a feverish bidding war with him over what they see as the only remaining Battlezone on earth.

You see this kind of thing all the time in all collectable auctions.

Suppose some police department decides to auction off their scabby, beat-up old armory of WWII Thompson subguns. It will get into the news because... everyone loves Thompsons. Then wealthy ranchers and farmers and rednecks with trust funds and 50 foot sportfishing boats from all over the USA will push the price of the guns to 2X or 3X the normal price because they don't know what they're doing and they get over-excited.

YOU wouldn't pay $3,800 for a Battlezone, but a dentist named Fred with paid-off mortgage and a Mercedes E-class in his driveway will.

If you start following auctions, you'll see this saga played out over and over again.

#4619 2 years ago
Quoted from Heretic_9:

Your explanation likely has a lot of merit. That has to be a large part of what was going on. Veteran collectors would surely know better. From a pricing standpoint, and from a find-'em / availability standpoint, in the majority of cases. The relatively few dealers around this region (or elsewhere, I think) would not be looking at any realistic profit to be made on top of **these** prices, and then there's work that needed to be done on many of the games, at significant extra cost. I know of one regional dealer who used to sell pins at eye-opening prices, for a number of years, but they went bust. A local dealer I had bought two of my pins from and who used to have a store on eBay is no longer answering email, whereas he always used to do that promptly, and his websites now look abandoned. (I should probably call him, just to be certain.) I can't really see the economics of anyone with a route buying at these prices either, despite the taxes-saving resale license. And so we've managed to eliminate most of the other possibilities, apart from what you theorized.

If you listed a real nice Battlezone on KLOV, what would it sell for? Maybe $1500 or so.

When you see a Battlezone sell for $3,800 at a huge, amazing, remarkable auction, and a whole bunch of other nosebleed prices for other games, it means that the general public got over-excited.

The kind of people who pay $12,000 for a Twilight Zone pin from the "Billardz-R-Us" showroom.

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