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My friends and I have attended almost all of the Banning events, it's simply a wonderland of Pinball and Video Game history.
The pictures don't do it justice. Thanks to John and the dozens of others that created and supported the museum of pinball.
All of us in our crew are pulling for good news.
Cheers.
One of the main problems was the Banning city council would not allow John to open more than a few weekends a year.
I don't know exactly what the council's big objection was, but part of it was the Municipal Airport across the street.
An airport that I never saw a single cesna land or take off.
Lots of red tape small town BULLSHIT.
Its actually a small miracle it lasted this long, as said above, the museum was only starting to break even toward the end in 2019.
Then the world stopped.
Cheers to John and the crew, it was magical while it lasted.
Quoted from xsvtoys:There are 3 specific machines that I played there a lot and would not mind having. So I would appreciate it if you peckerwoods would all refrain from bidding those up on me. And no I am not going to name them here!!!!!!!!!
This auction will create lifelong blood enemies.
Good luck!
See you guys in Banning. Cash on glass wins.
Captains Auctions often go late, I've been there at 1:30 am.
They always sell the Pins together.
The more bids per game the longer the auction, get ready for six very long days.
Just a guess...
Day 1. Electromechanicals.
Day 2. Solid States.
Day 3. DMD to moderns.
Then 3 days of vids.
Simple, sell them in the order they stand on the floor.
Why complicate it.
Nope, the seller only pays $25 or so fee, to buy his own game, bidding it up.
If the seller gets stuck as high bidder, he pays $25, and sticks it in the next months auction.
It's a crap policy.
Should be illegal.
I've only bought 2 games in 10 years in the hobby, from Captains.
Mostly because of this buyback policy.
Remember the first day of auction kicks off at 3:00 PM.
So it's a short one.
Sat sun, will be all day affairs.
I've heard through sources that all the floor games will be sold the first weekend.
Then the doubles, and project games/parts will be sold the second weekend.
Could be true, or not so....
Yes, 99% of the floor games are now listed.
And a few more, apparently John kept buying through covid.
There is a walk through video on captains facebook up now.
They wedged in dozens of games into the center of the aisles.
And Yes Banning is nothing but a place to stop for Gas, then get the hell out, on the way to civilization.
Remember the first thing you see getting off the freeway is a Bail Bonds business.
A handful of games were loaners, until John could find a copy.
Also many games were brought in for indisc, by that crew.
But it looks like 99.9 are there.
A friend of mine picked up some games last week that he had loaned to John, but they were in storage.
Man that walk through is just depressing.
Seeing the Museum fall apart is just awful.
Only 1850 Frontiers built, how many survived?
From what I've heard people dig this game.
I've never seen one for sale in Socal.
So its semi rare.
I have only played it once, so jury is out for me.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:The 6801 System Eight Ball Deluxe:
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Yeah, yeah. We know, blue displays also.
Sssshhhh.
Here is some hard info on buying from Captains.
This is from my receipt from a Pin I bought last year.
I bought it online due to The Plague.
Hammer price was $ 3,800
15% buyers premium, AKA THE VIG $ 570
Tax $ 338
Total $4700 or so.
Close enough.!
My friend and I went and picked it up at midnight. And I paid in Cashy Money.
The all in costs are about 25% above Hammer price.
Not including say $400 shipping.
So say 26 or 27 % VIG with shipping.
Hope this helps with your bidding.
It's easy to go way over what your willing to spend.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:It's more than just "Blue displays. You can keep high scores and you initials, and the displays are alpha-numeric. No DIP switches. Programming done through a keypad. This system eventually evolved into the 6803 system.
The playfield was plastic as well.
Yeah, yeah, just like a person from Norwalk, We were taught to keep it to ourselves, growing up in La Mirada.
Like I said......sssshhhhhhh.
Yeah, a non pin/arcade friend called me today, and asked if I'd heard about the museum auction.
It's all over local radio/tv.
Crappers.
Back in 1985 my friends and I went to the Downey Minature Golf and Puke to play specificly Thayers Quest, we had no clue how to but we had to try it.
I talked to a friend that is there now, captains has kicked off all non bidders from the website, and no Facebook or Twitch, and the feed is still crashing.
Yikes.
YouTube live stream
TwistedGaming tv, is streaming, and commenting on the auction .
Only 40 viewers so far.....
Banning is a dusty hell hole crossroads town, there are multiple abandoned buildings on main street, and I counted four Burned out buildings also on main street Yesterday.
Good riddance, now I never have to go to Banning EVER AGAIN.
If your bored there is a live Texas horse auction on YouTube right now.
Looks like it's at the TPF ballroom by the cover picture.
2021 best of Texas premier horse auction.
Quoted from Agent_Hero:Almost won that Nine Ball...
Sorry on the Nine Ball, it's my favorite Stern.
Hope you find one.
Yeah, most of the pins are player condition or a little nicer.
The Firepower is gorgeous and the Flash.
Both restored.
The Firepower 2 is a total wreck, avoid unless you want a project.
The Worlock never worked, and is pretty beat.
Maybe someone is looking to open a new museum here and paying stupid prices?
Problem is I hate their tastes.
The Embryon has wear by the upper flipper and the techs were always working on it, that's why they did not use it in tournaments.
These are much higher prices than the typical Captains Auction.
Here are a few prices from May 2020 that I kept a printout of.
These are Hammer prices, no fees yet.
Walking dead pro. $4800
Wizard of Oz ruby. $6000
Viper night drive $2600
Dungeons and dragons $2600
ID4. $2700
Shaq attack. $2700
Big guns. $1500
Elvira party monsters. $5000
Jetsons. $4900
Indy 500. $3500
Haunted house. $2800
Diner. $2800
Data east star trek. $2800
Big house. $1900
Apollo 13. $3700
Gilligan's island. $3100
Mary Shelly's Frankenstein $2600
Ripley's believe it or not. $3200
No fear. $2300
Elvis. $3400
Lord rings. $6800
Genie. $1600
Aerosmith pro. $4900
Lost in space. $3900
Lost world. $1800
Cybernaut. $1500
Flash. $1300
Stingrays. $1900
Diamond lady. $2200
Buck Roger's. $1500
Bally Kiss one owner. $6300
The EM'S went for $359-1000, that's pretty regular for SoCal.
Make of it what you will......
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Quoted from Knxwledge:Woah hold on I just found something strange, if you filter by games that haven't sold yet, 3 games that apparently already sold are there (Spirit, Gold Cue, Medusa). Anyone know what happened with these?
https://bid.captainsauctionwarehouse.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/80/lot/19405
https://bid.captainsauctionwarehouse.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/80/lot/19497
https://bid.captainsauctionwarehouse.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/80/lot/19562
Sounds like they backed out somehow, or were not legitimate bids?
With so many lots, you got to expect a few dropouts. Technical or otherwise.
Yes, I got the Stern 9 Ball.
Quoted from palmab03:If they go ahead and adjust the cap gains tax rate, I wonder the effect on the price of pins. Taking a loss on a machine doesn't hurt as bad if half the losses can just offset taxes.......
Is that town you live in off Zzzzyyyxxx road?
Quoted from bobmathuse:Ever see Huell's episode on the true story of Zzyzx?
No missed that one, I'll look it up if I can.
Landcrab nearby though.
Quoted from dsupica:Ok. Well if i knew ANYWHERE I could buy one for $700 then I am certain I would have already purchased it.
Do you know a place or person that sells for $700 because maybe I would like to have a spare machine?
If you love the game, no worries.
I've got real deals on 1/3 of my games.
Paid market prices for 1/3.
And overpaid for the remaining 1/3.
I call it a wash, I'm well in the black with current prices.
Quoted from Knxwledge:Think I remember them saying Gene Lewin bought the Pole Position cockpit for $1600. Excited(?) to see the oddball stuff in 2 weeks. I wonder what theyre gonna do with the storage areas that were full of games/projects?
They got two weeks to pull what's left in storage, shine up the junk, and add it to the list.
After this weekend's local buyers truck away their games.
From what I saw on clav 3 biders won 149 games.
Bet they are destined for shipping containers destination...... unknown.
Easy fix.. ....Right.
It took my friends and I a year and a half to track down the issue with his Haunted House.
My Xenon, has always been a Glitchy Bitch.
I've had it for 9 years.
At least it plays......and is Gorgeous.
A few more pics from my visit yesterday.
For posterity.
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Check out The Brotherhood of pinball, channel on YouTube, there is a good walkthrough of arcade expo 4.0.
And the other vids are fun too.
Played Krull Video Game tonight, at my friends.
No.... it's not very good, but interesting.
Would love to play the pin someday.
Captains is going to at add a 7th day to the auction, this will probably consist on the project games, parts, and other oddball stuff.
No announcement on day of the auction yet.
The Real question is....
Does Bugs Bunney go for more than Rocky?????
Whoever these buyers are, I would not be surprised.
No wonder Sub Hunter did not seem familiar, my plan to pick it up for $1500-$2500......
Well it got Depth Charged all to Hell!
Congrats sir, very cool it's a Grail for you.
My friend and I went in 50/50 on Paradise....
But I put it on my collection list... haha!
Hula Girls!!
And the final depressing march of stupid prices begins........
It's just such sad way for the MOP to end, it deserved better.
Quoted from Heretic_9:King Tut wasn't working during most of my visits.
Yeah, never got to play it either. Crappers.
Quoted from Heretic_9:TNA will be up shortly. That is the first title from Spooky that I thought was any good -- and it's pretty good. What condition was the MOP's table in ? Am I correct in my impression that there is very little -- mechanical or otherwise -- that is apt to develop problems in need of fixing on this game ?
The optos in the lock drops are the only thing I've had a problem with, replaced a couple, and had no further problems. Mine was #62 NIB.
Noah's arcade was a mile from my home, I saw countless movies at the Pacific 6, and every film meant going to Noah's afterwards.
Thanks for the greatest memories of my youth.
You are a mad genius Ralph.
Cheers.
Quoted from girloveswaffles:Seems like Noah's was about where the Albertsons is now.
Just about... The Mall was doomed from the beginning, after the Woolworths closed in 1980 they had no anchor stores. Noah's, the Theatres, the food court and the Mexican restaurant were the only open businesses by 1989. Then bulldozed in 1991.
Crappers.
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Quoted from Quartermaster:girloveswaffles #4297
Noah's was closer to the post office and would be around where Riviera Lane is. probably in somebody's bedroom now.
Jaws was by the entrance and you could hear the BWOING!!!! All through the mall. Touch Me got moved to the upper deck to preserve our sanity.
The upper deck! I was the fool putting quarters in Omega Race and Armour Attack in 1988.
Quoted from Quartermaster:That's how I felt at Banning, I once walked through and counted anytime I passed a title that I had owned before. I was astounded at the number of EM's and separately SS machines I didn't count videos it was just eye opening. Again we are among a lucky lot.
Poor, poor Firetruck.
Quoted from Quartermaster:Wow, Eric those pictures really hit home, seeing the dismantling makes it pretty real (or surreal) RIP MOP
It also got me thinking about something I mused before. What are some games that we never saw at the Museum ? A few titles that I've longed for at MOP (and haven't seen anywhere else in a long long time) come to mind. These were production games not just one-off or prototypes.
Oh what I wouldn't give to get a few of you guys together for a rousing round of TECMO BOWL!!! Goofy as hell, but loads of fun.
How about a personal favorite Ramtek Clean Sweep,
Midway "Wheels" or Wheels II
Sega Gain Ground, or Crackdown,
Atari Touch Me,
Midway's Amazing Maze,
Atari Jaws
Maybe some were there and I just didn't see them , what can you add to that list?
Sprint 8 or indy 800
Omega Race cockpit
Atari Baseball just like the roller ball football
Atari 4 player Demolition Derby
Woodrails!
Drag Race
Boot Hill, the first game I ever played at Noah's.
There were only a handful of games that were not payed for.
The Joust video game that sold for $5000, was not finalized. That's the only one I know of.
The rest of the stuff is new, from storage or Johns private stuff.
Someone from Arizona ended up with 3 or 4 trailer trucks of games. So a lot of the collection actually stayed somewhat local.
They had been out of floor space the last several years, maybe it got pulled from the floor to make space???
Just got Paradise set up and working.
My friend and I went halfs on it.
One more rescued from Banning.
Dancing Girls!!
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20211016_143833 (resized).jpgThe coin play counter says 48,052 total plays.
She's been around, someone repainted her and chromed it. New parts too.
Overall great shape for a 1965 girl.
I want to play your Monte Carlo em racing game, Ralph had one at Noah's when I was a real little kid. 1978 perhaps.
Quoted from Heretic_9:Yes, surprisingly good condition.
Are those "scoring-drain-holes-of-no-return", a la Slick Chick ? (Can't recall the proper nomenclature.)
NV once assured me that there was in fact a cradling technique for earlier EMS with those tiny flippers, and who am I to question his authority on such things . . . ? But, you, know, I'd just have to see a demo on that before I'm convinced.
Don't know their official nomenclature, the ball goes into the saucer, then is passed to the next saucer, left to right, until it reaches the last D saucer. Then it kicks the ball across and down to the left flipper..
So if you get the ball in the A saucer it hops across one at a time to all four, then to left flipper.
Really a advanced feature for 1965. Especially since the holes scoring is tied to a random roulette mech, that is randomized by hitting the stand up targets, or the upper roll through lanes.
It really is a feature stacked game for 65.
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As a fourth generation Californian, I thank my great grandparents for leaving the old country and moving directly to the Golden state.
I'll never leave.
Message from the Freeeek Kingdom.
The red food dye is worse that the pounds of refined sugar they drink???
First world Hummingbird problems.
I do make my own, and add a drop of red food dye.
I'll nix the dye next round of refills.
At least I'll stop getting red stains on my fingers, counter, wooden spoon..........
The more you know...
Hummingbirds go into an almost hibernating state at night to conserve energy.
I have one, maybe two bats here in the neighborhood, I hear them circling at night gobbling up the flying bugs.
Squeaking all the while. Echo location!
Anyway heres are pictures of Banning games to stay on topic.
Paradise came with the work logs from the techs at banning.
I'll quote one entry.
"Do not turn on. Lots of Smoke!"
We set it up, and no dice.
No power, nothing.
Checked all fuses, checked the cord, 45 minutes of no joy.
We were stumped.
Then started looking at the coin door.
Idiots!!! Gottliebs won't turn on without CREDITS!!!
EM rookies.
Coined it up, and it works perfectly.
The techs obviously worked on it and dialed it in.
I'll see what I can do about a clear picture of my favorite Pinball gal.
No go on the picture for now, all access to the backbox is from the back of the head.
Metal door on back, then you have to fold down all the EM scoring reels, its a two man Job.
I ain't messing with that rats nest alone.
The Hula Girl is part of the mech, so it would all have to be removed.
The second Picture above is My Stern Nine Ball currently bieng shopped.
I scored it at the Banning auction
In the pic you see the new drops installed.
Replacement stand up target, leds, and Blue Xpin scores are to be installed next.
Will be finished and at my friends arcade party October 30th.
I cant wait!
Nine Ball was my top Grail game.
As for the Hummingbird feeders, the only worry is Ants, the feeders are designed for the long beak and tongue of Hummingbirds.
The feeding holes are tiny.
I also use bent coat hangers to extend them lower.
I use simple screw in hooks, which also work for my large c9 Christmas lights.
No Staples!!
The picture was taken sitting down, so the angle looks more extreme than reality.
Also I'm 6 foot 7 inches tall, so I can reach farther than you mere mortals.
Message from the Head in the clouds Freeeek Kingdom.
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Just spray a touch of ant killer on the hook and they Fook off.
We got Owls, Bats, Red Tailed Hawks, Oreals , occasional Blue Birds " those Blues are gigantic, they act like Raptors, you can see the Dinosaur lineage." And several species of Hummers, some migrate to Mexico, but a few stick out the winter.
The Hawks are a terror to the ground Squirrels, which are real pests here.
The Hawks sit on that palm Tree ledge in the photo, then swoop down on the Squirrels.
Then sit in the pine tree and shred em up.
Then the Raccoons carry off the discarded Squirrels heads in the night.
Ah the circle of life.....
And a Banning photo to keep on topic.
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It's getting worse.
These prices were back to normal average Captains Auctions.
No New York Times Story's telling the world Pinball/video games for sale!
That Desert Patrol looked cool, love all the early era Video games, most of the early pre Space Invader history has been lost and forgotten.
Hope to make it to Zapcon, ill head strait for the Black and White games.
I'll buy the first round of Drinks.
Anyone who has been in this hobby for more than a minute, knows Spooky developes the Code as the game is being built and shipped.
Most Halloween Ultraman owners, 95% of them won't get thier machine until sometime in 2022.
My first 3 NIB were Spooky games, TNA, Alice, and Rick and Morty.
The finished code on all three is great.
Scott D still has cool ideas that he wants to add to TNA.
Anyone who dumps their Halloween Ultraman at this point are tantruming Babys.
Pretty pathetic.
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