Why not buy five pins via internet bidding, pay NAVL $2250 ($450 per game estimate) to ship the games to you ?
Are you REALLY planning on going?

You’d get way better freight pricing shipping multiple pins.

I shipped 10 new Spookies NIB from Benton to Long Beach (L.A.) and from memory it was $700 or $750 the lot.

You gotta shop around.

rd

There's good money to be made brokering freight....

As a general rule I do not buy games I have not personally looked at.

Whom do I have take care of game break down and preparing for shipment?

So yes, a logistical problem to make participating happen.

So no, I'm REALLY NOT planning on attending.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/an-insider-s-guide-to-the-banning-museum-of-pinball-machines#post-6417746

TERMS & CONDITIONS

NOTICE:All potential bidders
participating in this sale
agree that they have read and
have full knowledge of these
terms and agree to be bound
thereby.

1. IDENTIFICATION: All
potential bidding participants
are required to register prior
to becoming an Approved
Bidder. All Participants
are required to give full name;
permanent street address (P.O.
Boxes will NOT be accepted or
approved); phone number(s);
email address, valid credit
card and website, if
applicable. ONLINE
purchasers will be required to
submit the requested Contact
Information, including:
Drivers License Number phone
number(s); email address,
valid credit card and website,
if applicable to be
Approved.
International Buyers must have
pre-arrangements made with our
office to receive a bidder
number.

2. PAYMENT: Once the
auctioneer says, SOLD,OR TIMED AUCTION RUNS OUT WITH BUYER AS LAST BID
ownership immediately
transfers to the buyer. All
items are sold as is and where
is without any warranties
expressed or implied.
Invoices must be paid in full
directly after the sale is
completed, unless otherwise
specified. All invoices must
be paid to representatives of
the auction house unless
otherwise announced. Online
purchasers must adhere to the
Terms of Sale as posted during
the online registration
process. Payment may be made
in the form of CASH or CASH
Instrument; COMPANY CHECK w/
Bank Letter of Verification or
WIRE TRANSFER. We also accept
VISA, MASTERCARD, AMERICAN
EXPRESS and
DISCOVER for invoice
payment. Credit Card purchase
buyer acknowledges the
purchase of used equipment and
agrees not to hold liable the
auction house to result in a
purchase charge back. The full
purchase price on all lots
sold to the same buyer must be
paid within the time fixed and
before removal of any of the
goods. Business checks will
not be accepted without a
letter of verification from
your bank. NO MERCHANDISE
WILL BE RELEASED UNTIL INVOICE
IS PAID IN FULL.

3. SALES TAX/BUYERS PREMIUM:
A Buyer?s Premium of 18%
internet bidders is in effect
and a Buyer?s Premium of 15 %
onsite bidders will be applied
to each invoice, in addition
to the Sales Price. Where
required by law, SALES TAX of
7.75% applies to ALL SALES
unless Buyer has submitted the
proper TAX EXEMPTION FORM. NO
MERCHANDISE WILL BE RELEASED
UNTIL INVOICE IS PAID IN FULL.
Purchase formula as follows:
Hammer Price + Buyers Premium
+ Tax (if
applicable)=
Total $

4. REMOVAL: No lot can be
removed during the sale
without Auction Staff
Approval. Purchases may be
removed only on presentation
of paid invoice. Removal
shall be at the sole expense,
risk and liability of the
purchaser. All purchases MUST
be removed as herein listed.
Auctioneer shall not be
responsible for goods not
removed within the time
allowed, but shall have the
option to remove and store, at
the sole expense and risk of
the purchaser, any article(s)
purchased, but not paid for
and/or removed within the time
aforesaid. ALL ITEMS MUST BE
REMOVED FROM LOCATION within 5 business days.
Removal for paid Lots will be
until 10:00 pm PST day of Sale.
Removal will commence the
Next day after the sale is
completed. REMOVAL HOURS are
posted in auction details.
Removal MUST BE COMPLETED
within three (3) days or appoinment only within two (2) days following or Penalty Fees can apply.

5. CONDITION OF ARTICLES
SOLD: Neither the auctioneer
nor the consignor shall be
responsible for the correct
description, genuineness,
authenticity of, or defect in
any lot, and makes no warranty
in connection therewith. No
sale shall be set aside nor
allowance made on account of
any incorrectness, error in
cataloging, or any
imperfection not noted.

DESCRIPTIONS AND PHOTOS ARE
NOT GUARANTEED. NO DEDUCTION
ALLOWED ON DAMAGED ARTICLES,
ALL ARTICLES BEING EXPOSED FOR
PUBLIC EXHIBITION, AND SOLD
"AS IS" WHERE IS AND WITHOUT RECOURSE.
ARTICLES ARE NOT WARRANTED AS
MERCHANTABLE OR FIT FOR ANY
PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND NO
CLAIM MAY BE MADE BY PURCHASER
RELATING TO THE CONDITION OR
USE OF ARTICLES PURCHASED OR
FOR PROXIMATE OR CONSEQUENTIAL
DAMAGES ARISING THEREFROM.

6. SHIPPING/TRANSPORTATION:
Buyer is responsible for the
removal of all items purchased
by date set previous and must
employ at Buyers Expense
transportation and cost of all
handling charges that would
result in removal of said
item(s). INTERNATIONAL
BIDDERS: We are not
responsible for any customs,
duty, tax or brokerage fees.
The winning bidder takes full
responsibility of all
inclusive shipping costs,
documents and paperwork.

7. ADDITIONAL TERMS AND
CONDITIONS: The auctioneer may
add other terms and conditions
of sale, such additional terms
and conditions shall be
announced prior to the
auction, and/or prior to the
individual lot(s) put up for
sale, if applicable.

WTF: Next time try making it harder to read.

Hmm, first time I've noticed that they charge 3% more fee for internet bidders.

GD, people will find a reason to bitch about everything.

PinBallPeteFromSD so the Auction and machines will be at Captains in Anaheim instead of Banning?

https://bid.captainsauctionwarehouse.com/m/

No, they are all at Banning.
The auction will be held from there.
In person day of auction at Banning.
Captain's is the Auctioneer.

Your trying to auction off what?? $1,000,000+ worth of games and you can't take the time to present the terms of sale in some sort of reasonable / professional manner?

WFT, how long would it take to get rid of the unnecessary carriage returns?

It make you look like your try to hide something, or just careless.

23-26% on top of the hammer price. Hammer prices would have to be pretty damn low to make this worthwhile.

Yet people will pay it, even close to retail prices or above. I really see this as a locals only auction, or at least within driving distance. No way it's worth internet bidding and then having a game shipped to you.

For example, read with some line breaks only:

#4 ALL ITEMS MUST BE REMOVED FROM LOCATION within 5 business days.
Removal for paid Lots will be until 10:00 pm PST day of Sale.
Removal will commence the Next day after the sale is completed.
REMOVAL HOURS are posted in auction details.
Removal MUST BE COMPLETED within three (3) days or appoinment only within two (2) days following or Penalty Fees can apply.

So is the removal time 5 days or 3 days? If I make and appointment (spelled correctly) then I must be out by 2 day's?

I could go on an on like: What are the "Penalty Fees (caps not mine)?, and three opposing statements on removal hours, and other "read the auction terms" hidden terms.

You need a better lawyer

Petes not auctioning the games, he just shared some info.
Damn people are bitchy lately...

Example of carelessness. Banning isn’t on PST right now. They are on PDT- an hour ahead of PST.

Yeah, its pretty fun watching the Capn tap dance around some serious issues with games. He can be very "creative"

It's rough but there are games there that you just never see for sale. I'll check it out although probably just via internet bidding, just cuz being all day at an auction can be exhausting. At least there won't be shill bidders on this one as the items can't just be relisted on the next auction by the owner, once they sell they sell. Realistically though I doubt I'll get anything as others have way deeper pockets than I do. I've sold a few games that I restored to the museum, kinda curious what those will sell for.

Yeah every game is always "bright and tight" even if it's faded and missing a wiring harness.

No. I think it's pretty clear: you get three days to just come and get the stuff. If you miss that you get 2 more days but by appointment only (meaning, they're not staffing the pickup all day for those days). Take longer than that and you pay a penalty.

Note that Post #356 does not indicate the (fully refundable) $300.00 cash deposit required to attend......

Man, what's with all these reqs and fees? They get ya on the premiums on top of hammer price + tax? Bruh, I don't think I'll be able to get anything lol.

Terms and conditions Amended:

8. ALL bidders must have a High School Diploma, a GED is not accepted.

9. Bidders can not wear cargo shorts.

Have to go deep pinside for that joke. Levi?

Apologies first too be political correct.

...or wife beater tee shirts.

Not bitchy, just trying to get correct and consumable information that most people can understand.

If "PinBallPeteFromSD" is not officially part of the auction management, he should state so, or be quiet.

nsduprr man your a salty dog man. How about you thx for the info or don't fing say anything at all. You sound like a 10 year old bitchin that you got sugar smacks instead of frosted flakes. It's pinball dude I think there are a few more serious things to get pissed about than pinball try saying thank you sometime or just don't say anything at all.

I'll say it. Hey Pete, thanks for the update dude! We appreciate it! And we appreciate all the MANY hours of VOLUNTEER hard work and dedication that YOU put into the collection over time. The majority of us out here appreciate people like you.

Yes, salty AND an old dog. Bitchy yes. My boss, before I retired, paid me extra for those qualities.

Information is great... if it correct.

Info is only good if it's from the person in charge of the auction. From another thread:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/an-insider-s-guide-to-the-banning-museum-of-pinball-machines
OK. "PinBallPeteFromSD"

OK the information is *good*

It still does not excuse the poor presentation.

BTW: I attended MOP the first year with Clay H., Tim A. and Mike S. Although I don't rise to the lofty heights of these greats, I'm not a door knob either.

BTW: I like Coco Puffs

No, I'm not *pissed* and it's not just *pinball dude*

It's about doing a sale above board with all the terms and conditions CLEARY stated from the official source. Not side bar posts from close insiders and no "read the auction T&C's"

I've seen friendships die do to poor understandings of the terms a pinball deal/sale.

BTW: Thank you to Clay H., Tim A., Mike S. and KOZ (rip) for all you have done to keep pinball alive.

Correction: I'm not implying that the pending auction is "below board". I apologize for my poor choice of words.

Nsduprr obviously your boss didn't hire you for your taste in cereal Coco puffs you might as well eat dog chow and your not at work your are on the internet talking about pinball for Christ sake flippers pop bumpers etc go smoke a joint or have a beer and relax most of the users on the board appreciate the info.

I am thinking that some of the EMs will be going for peanuts.

More deets from the site

THIS IS A SIX DAY AUCTION EVENT

DATES AND TIMES
FRIDAY SEPT. 10th @ 3:00pm PST
SATURDAY SEPT. 11th @ 11:00am PST
SUNDAY SEPT. 12th @ 11:00am PST
&
FRIDAY SEPT. 24th @ 3:00pm PST
SATURDAY SEPT. 25th @ 11:00am PST
SUNDAY SEPT. 26th @ 11:00am PST

Inspection is only 2hrs before open on each day… that kinda sux… plus two weekends.

At least cash buyers get 3% discount

No mention yet of reserves or not. Given the uncertainty comments about what would be listed, I wonder if they will hold stuff back

Personally.. I prefer Tito's

Beer makes me burp to much and fart.

THC make me have the munchies. Bad for my A1C. I leave that to the younger generation.

BTW: The supervisor that hired me died 30 year ago. Subsequent supervisors loved me because I could be a prick and also be right .

Can we bid online - then pickup and pay cash and get the 15% commission rate?

LOL

Expect even more hidden fees.

I like the $300.00 "cash deposit that is required to attend". Fully refundable or applied to your invoice(s).

Barrett-Jackson does not refund anything so this is better.....

With all due respect to nsduprr, it is safe to say he's had a bit of alcohol already this evening...

I have bought from captains before. Its commission and then tax. They are pretty straight forward on that stuff. Never had any surprises on costs other than on repairs I didn’t expect.

I just ballpark add-on 25% to the bid price for a real price.

I never understood why I should be paying sales tax on captains’ commission. It should be sales tax on the hammer price only. Screw this paying tax on an additional 18 percent.

Also, are we to assume it will be 3 days of all pins followed the next week by 3 days all arcades?

This sale is gonna be hilarious. If you’ve played these pins at banning, most are pretty FD up. I do think they have some hidden gems but don’t think you’re gonna get a discount on BBB if they even sell the rare ones. I think the bargains are gonna be the EMs because most people won’t be looking at those

Many years ago I ordered a toy from Sears because they where out of stock.
They charged sales tax on the shipping... I never ordered a thing from them again.

Any auctioneer with any experience mixes in the ultra desirable items with the less desirable. I highly doubt they will sell all the newer high dollar games on the same day. To get the best sale prices they will most likely be all over the place with the most desirable machines mixed throughout the entire auction. I think anyone who thinks otherwise is in for a harsh reality.

The auction company will make more profit then the Museum will from the sales. Pretty sad.

I predict the real bargains will be Arcades. There are some 1200 of them.

If the buyer and seller premiums are 15% as usual at Captain's... on a $1000 game the auction house makes $300 and the seller makes $850. This is 35.2%. So the auction house makes 35.2% of the profit the museum makes. If the museum has negotiated a different rate then this percentage goes down, not up. How does 35.3% (or $300) equal more profit than 85% (or $850)?

You do realize that as a non auction representative, and that simply by posting this in this thread regarding the auction, you will be held personally liable by at least one member of Pinside for this number being 100% accurate.