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By bigehrl

6 years ago



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    #101 6 years ago
    Quoted from vidgameseller:

    You can also get banned if you say something that Lloyd dont like.

    Call him the godfather.

    -1
    #102 6 years ago

    I agree with TaylorVA. The problem is consistency regarding threads. Members are getting mixed signals from the some of the moderators. Each Mod uses his own judgement when making decisions and that can lead to different interpretations on what action should be taken in any given thread. It doesn't happen all the time, but every once in a while I scratch my head and wonder what the hell is going on.

    I do think they are doing a very good job, but I think the site would be served better if they put forth a united front across the board.

    Just sayin'

    #103 6 years ago

    We need moderators to moderate the moderators

    Dear mods, that was a joke.

    If you really want to get TFA all wound up just open a thread about this on RGP that he can reply to

    #104 6 years ago
    Quoted from TaylorVA:

    I think it's just a matter of being consistent and that thread was certainly beyond the point that many other "on topic" threads have been locked.

    I totally understand what you are saying, it's just a non issue from my perspective.

    So now the Mods should email each other and have a vote aboot closing threads and if it meets the guidelines of the last thread they closed? It's just silly.

    Quoted from starfighter:

    It doesn't happen all the time, but every once in a while I scratch my head and wonder what the hell is going on.

    And that effects you how? You scratch your head and....so what? I don't mean that agressivly or rudely, it's just...what's the big deal? A thread gets closed and you don't understand why...but you should?

    #106 6 years ago
    Quoted from starfighter:

    Each Mod uses his own judgement when making decisions and that can lead to different interpretations on what action should be taken in any given thread.

    They use their own judgment?! Oh the humanity!

    You think maybe that's why it take THREE votes from three different moderators to get a temporary ban?

    #107 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I totally understand what you are saying, it's just a non issue from my perspective.
    So now the Mods should email each other and have a vote aboot closing threads and if it meets the guidelines of the last thread they closed? It's just silly.

    Why not? They email and vote about bans already and I'm sure they email and discuss closing threads.

    #108 6 years ago

    I have been a moderator on several large forums in the past, and there is really no good answer for this. Once someone gets to the point of being aggressive towards individuals, it becomes a pretty cut and dry case. If you can make your point without calling someone else an idiot, you are fine, but at the point that you start pointing fingers directly at someone and saying they are dumb, you have crossed a line.

    Being a moderator sucks. You have to look at posts every single day, and no one thanks you. In fact, all they do is complain about the decisions you make. Its worse then a low paying job because it literally pays nothing.

    #109 6 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    They use their own judgment?! Oh the humanity!
    You think maybe that's why it take THREE votes from three different moderators to get a temporary ban?

    3 votes is fine with me. No argument there. My problem ( if you could call it that ) is the disconnect between the Mods on what action should be taken and when.

    #110 6 years ago
    Quoted from starfighter:

    Why not? They email and vote about bans already and I'm sure they email and discuss closing threads.

    Email? Why bother, I am sure that the forum itself has built in tools for monitoring and tracking threads that are out of control, or contain information that is aggressive. Computers are powerful, and a thread that gets to a count of >50 posts in under 5 minutes deserves looking at since its probably going to contain heated material. Not to mention all of this is contained in Mod only threads that you cant see.

    #111 6 years ago
    Quoted from starfighter:

    3 votes is fine with me. No argument there. My problem ( if you could call it that ) is the disconnect between the Mods on what action should be taken and when.

    You can only please some of the people some of the time. You will never get 100% agreement on a topic, and given that the topic here was a highly political one, I am surprised anyone is shocked about it.

    #112 6 years ago
    Quoted from phishrace:

    Nothing wrong with a good discussion about politics, in the right place. A pinball forum isn't the right place. There are tens of thousands of political forums out there. Same goes for guns. Hell, there's probably at least a hundred that combine discussions of both politics and guns. Google is your friend. This ain't the place.

    Does it have as many members as pinside does? Is it completely public, like pinside?

    Thing is, most people don't go to political forums. Since they're only exposed to what media rubs in their noses (true or false) they can have a .. somewhat naive view on the world at times. For this reason, in my opinion political threads in off topic from time to time are somewhat interesting and valuable.

    And yes it's a pretty busy forum, not as constantly active as Pinside is now, but there's a good 8000+ members and the door is as wide open as you can get. We get visitors from the US, UK Russia, Germany, China, Japan and everywhere inbetween. Mostly seems to police itself, but it's been around in various forms since the late 90s. Maybe we just got lucky, or maybe it's a side effect of a community that has had that much time to settle and mature - there's a critical mass of people who know how to behave.

    Still laughing about someone thinking the karma loss mattered. It's really just a post counter.

    #113 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I totally understand what you are saying, it's just a non issue from my perspective.
    So now the Mods should email each other and have a vote aboot closing threads and if it meets the guidelines of the last thread they closed? It's just silly.

    Not my point. Mods need to be consistent in their actions regardless of their views on the subject. I assume their ability to "rise above" is one reason they were made a mod.

    #114 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    And that effects you how? You scratch your head and....so what? I don't mean that agressivly or rudely, it's just...what's the big deal? A thread gets closed and you don't understand why...but you should?

    That was an example of the mixed signals from the Mods. I see threads that get closed and then I see a thread that I expect to get closed and they go on and on.

    It's just an observation. Look at the OP ... 6 down thumbs and 6 up thumbs.

    #115 6 years ago

    While we're on this topic, my favorite recent reprimand from a mod happened during a thread about the rising cost of pinball machines.

    Someone agreed that the prices were getting out of reach for the average person and concluded his/her post with "oh well... the rich get richer."

    A mod jumped on the poster, saying to refrain from political talk because "this is a phrase the left uses".

    Having said that, Robin's site; Robin's rules. It's just a couple Mods wear their politics on their sleeve, whether they mean to or not.

    Still... The best site for all things pinball.

    #116 6 years ago

    I don’t think OUR Moderators need defend their position. When you bring a group of people together, you need some guide lines. Our Mods where enforcing the guide line.

    By the way, this site is about Pinball and associated pinball things. Gun Control, good name for a game I suppose.

    #117 6 years ago

    if anyone thinks i had any idea what would happen when i posted this...

    you're right!

    -jon

    #118 6 years ago

    So what was your idea? Hoping to get locked right away?

    #119 6 years ago
    Quoted from starfighter:

    Look at the OP ... 6 down thumbs and 6 up thumbs.

    Right, a group of us can't agree on anything but you want them to have a pow-wow aboot it before they close a thread? What if one mod is out getting ice cream for his kids...gotta wait till he get back to lock up a thread? Just silly.

    Quoted from bigehrl:

    if anyone thinks i had any idea what would happen when i posted this...
    you're right!
    -jon

    Wow..real puppet master

    Quoted from TaylorVA:

    I assume their ability to "rise above" is one reason they were made a mod.

    Is that really what you think?

    #120 6 years ago
    Quoted from bigehrl:

    if anyone thinks i had any idea what would happen when i posted this...

    you're right!

    Lots of civil discussion?

    #121 6 years ago

    My family wishes I would get banned.

    #122 6 years ago
    Quoted from ryan1234:

    My family wishes I would get banned.

    I lol'ed on that one!

    -1
    #123 6 years ago
    Quoted from phishrace:

    Discussions about guns should also be against the rules. .

    Why?
    If its a topic you do not like simple skip over it?

    Firearms tie in to current events and directly linked to the bill of rights / constitution so it is a legal discussion. I like seeing and hearing what others think or learn from similar incidents or topics.

    If you have your own forum then you can set your own rules. Personally I think pinside is a little quick on the trigger for mod intervention but overall do a great job.

    The Off topic section should be left alone and topics deemed offensive simple do not click on it.

    #124 6 years ago
    Quoted from centerflank:

    Lots of civil discussion?

    exactly! people are talking. i'm fairly certain that's the purpose of a forum.

    so to those that question my motives... you're welcome.

    -jon

    #125 6 years ago

    Did I win anything?

    #126 6 years ago
    Quoted from cal50:

    Firearms tie in to current events and directly linked to the bill of rights / constitution so it is a legal discussion. I like seeing and hearing what others think or learn from similar incidents or topics.

    In one country out of 196. i can see why you want this to be a dominating Pinball Thread.

    #127 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Is that really what you think?

    I would hope. Obviously from my previous comments I am aware that it is not always the case.

    #128 6 years ago

    Who cares, it's a temporary ban on an internet forum. If that matters to someone THAT badly, they needed a break anyways.

    Not to mention, if someone doesn't like getting banned from a forum that is owned by someone else they can either be more careful with what they say in the future (to respect the owner's wishes), or go ahead and start their own forum. Freedom of speech does not apply on a forum that is privately owned. It is a privilege to post here, not a right.

    My two cents.

    #129 6 years ago
    Quoted from Chrisbee:

    In one country out of 196. i can see why you want this to be a dominating Pinball Thread.

    It was in the off topic section though.

    I dunno, I mostly come to Pinside for the Predator thread.

    That's very nearly a good idea for a t-shirt.

    #130 6 years ago
    Quoted from TaylorVA:

    I would hope. Obviously from my previous comments I am aware that it is not always the case.

    Well you can stop hoping cause that isn't what happens on any website. Little boys don't drink their milk and study homework nightly to grow up to be a great poster, and then finally graduate MOD University.

    #131 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Right, a group of us can't agree on anything but you want them to have a pow-wow aboot it before they close a thread? What if one mod is out getting ice cream for his kids...gotta wait till he get back to lock up a thread? Just silly.

    The point isn't about email, it's about mixed signals. Look further up in this very thread and you'll find two Mods with completely different points of view on whether guns should be a banned topic.

    I'm not tying to create an argument, I'm simply making a comment about some inconsistencies with the way decisions are made sometimes, that's all.

    #132 6 years ago
    Quoted from Chrisbee:

    In one country out of 196. i can see why you want this to be a dominating Pinball Thread.

    Since its a current event in the country I live in I prefer to read or post on it.
    Dominating,no.

    Of the many thousands of posts its hardly dominating but nice try mate.
    Cheers!

    #133 6 years ago

    Pretty simple concept at work here...

    Are you being a douche?

    Yes = You get banned.

    No = Carry on.

    Are you TheFamilyArcade?

    Yes = You get banned.

    No = Lucky you. Carry on.

    #134 6 years ago

    Moderation, it is so easy for people who have never had to do it

    #135 6 years ago
    Quoted from cal50:

    Of the many thousands of posts its hardly dominating
    Cheers!

    At 2000 Karma points , it's getting there.

    I appreciate that is a contentious issue in the States, it’s all over our news too!!!

    In Australia we only see the bits where the pro-gun people say striped things, not good for their cause.

    Getting back to the OP of this thread, To be a Mod is a thankless job, and we should support them.

    Thanks for being my MATE, Mate

    Quoted from cal50:

    nice try mate

    #136 6 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Well you can stop hoping cause that isn't what happens on any website. Little boys don't drink their milk and study homework nightly to grow up to be a great poster, and then finally graduate MOD University.

    Oy vey.

    #137 6 years ago

    The mods do a great job. And this site is certainly a better alternative than RGP with all the constant personal attacks and Nike shoe ads that are there. As mentioned earlier, if someone does not like their little time out they can go start their own site.

    Thank you mods for your efforts to make this a civil place to be. It was long overdue.

    -1
    #138 6 years ago
    Quoted from Chrisbee:

    At 2000 Karma points , it's getting there.
    I appreciate that is a contentious issue in the States, it’s all over our news too!!!
    In Australia we only see the bits where the pro-gun people say striped things, not good for their cause.
    Getting back to the OP of this thread, To be a Mod is a thankless job, and we should support them.
    Thanks for being my MATE, Mate

    ....keep shipping the Fosters.....

    #139 6 years ago
    Quoted from cal50:

    ....keep shipping the Fosters.....

    No don't! It's terrible!

    Haha

    rd.

    -1
    #140 6 years ago
    Quoted from cal50:

    ....keep shipping the Fosters.....

    Quoted from rotordave:

    No don't! It's terrible!

    Let me guess. You're more of a Lion Red kind of guy ...

    #141 6 years ago

    Why are we going on about this?

    He broke the rules, he got banned.

    It's one week.....not a lifetime.

    Nothing to see hear folks...........

    #142 6 years ago

    These guys don't get paid to moderate, they volunteer because they are trying to support the hobby and reinforce the environment the board owner (Robin) has created.

    Let's put it another way in our pinball geek speak. Consider Robin "The Creator" from Tron, Moderators "the Recognizers" and we're all "users". We have the choice to go into the portal to leave an re-enter the real world if we don't like the Grid. While in the Grid, you play by their rules.

    Now I'm going to knock on the sky and listen to the sound.

    #143 6 years ago

    Gun related topics by no means have to be political. As a matter of fact, the gun collector and the pinball collector have more in common than you realize.

    For example, about 6 years ago, I was looking for a couple of Yugoslavian SKS's. I wanted a good deal, and I was going to give one to my father as a gift. I found a dealer with a pile of what seemed to be some pretty ratty Yugo SKS. So, I went to work. I examined all of the rifles, and ended up picking 2 rifles from the lowest price pile. To the untrained eye, they looked like junk. One was missing the bayonet, the other missing it's cleaning rod. They were both absolutely filthy.

    However, the experienced military collector knows that cosmetics can be deceiving. The two rifles I chose had excellent bores, and strong rifling. Most importantly, all serial #'s on the rifles matched, including the stocks. This means that the rifles were well cared for, and never had to have any major parts replaced. I paid $110 for each of them, and the dealer threw in an extra bayonet to replace the one that was missing.

    I took the rifles home and completely disassembled them, to include removing all hardware from the stocks. I put the stocks in the dish washer and ran them through the pots and pans cycle twice each. This is the easiest and most effective ways to completely strip and clean an SKS stock. It also steams out all of the small dings and blemishes on the stocks. This is what they looked like after they were stripped (I had not put all of the hardware back on):
    <img src="http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q742/nhm11/1354768232767_zps72e34277.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1354768232767_zps72e34277.jpg"/>

    I then applied a beautiful stain and oil that really brought out the beautiful grain of the wood. I reassembled them and gave one to my dad. Astonishingly, the one I gave him shoots MOA at 100yds. I have never heard of an SKS with such a level of accuracy. This is what they looked like in the end:
    <img src="http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q742/nhm11/IMG_2137_zpsebbb3994.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_2137_zpsebbb3994.jpg"/>
    <img src="http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q742/nhm11/IMG_2139_zpsbbba950d.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_2139_zpsbbba950d.jpg"/>
    <img src="http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q742/nhm11/IMG_2138_zpsb908cc04.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_2138_zpsb908cc04.jpg"/>
    <img src="http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q742/nhm11/IMG_2141_zps89f7ea60.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_2141_zps89f7ea60.jpg"/>

    The point I'm trying to prove is that you shouldn't stereotype a subject as "political" when it is not inherently political. They become political when you start talking about politics. Regardless, this is probably the only gun post I will make, I don't come here to talk about guns.

    #144 6 years ago
    Quoted from bigehrl:

    I’ve personally witnessed, and participated in many unlawful, harassing, defamatory, abusive, threatening, harmful, sexually-oriented, racially offensive, and profane posts on a daily basis from countless members of this site.

    If this is what you are seeing and participating in on a "daily basis from countless members of this site" then maybe it's time to find a new site?

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    #145 6 years ago

    Talking about guns, thats cool. Talking about gun control laws, not cool.

    #146 6 years ago
    Quoted from rotordave:

    No don't! It's terrible!

    That's why we ship it off.

    #147 6 years ago
    Quoted from bigehrl:

    exactly! people are talking. i'm fairly certain that's the purpose of a forum.
    so to those that question my motives... you're welcome.
    -jon

    Jon is a super cool guy. I don't agree with him here, though - I think the mods do a great job in separating the wheat from the chaff. They can't be everywhere at once, and they can't be 100 percent consistent with every single decision, but between their work and some of the controls Robin put in, the site has really scaled well as the user base has grown exponentially.

    #148 6 years ago
    Quoted from ryan1234:

    My family wishes I would get banned.

    That is the best post I've read on this thread! My family feels the same way. They call my laptop my 'girlfriend'!!! I seem to spend more time with 'her' than my wife.
    Mike

    #149 6 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    Let me guess. You're more of a Lion Red kind of guy ...

    Lion Red!!!

    How does a man from Illinois know of such things?

    rd.

    #150 6 years ago

    We used to get a beer called speights ( I thought) at my rugby bar. I had one but I prefer new castle.

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