From what I have read here, three moderators were on the person banned after warnings for other things. Not just one thread, though that may have been the straw that broke the camels back.

Others in that thread may have been warned too for all we know. But not enough to be banned under the current system.

LTG : )

You can also get banned if you say something that Lloyd dont like. When i called his friend out on a bad deal, pinball related, i called him a name, and lloyd complained to the moderators about it and i was warned.

Earlier it says that it takes 3 moderators, but i know that in the thread that i am talking about, only one person publically voiced a complaint in the thread, and that was Lloyd, There were many people that posted that the seller i was referring to had done the exact same thing that i was warning others of. But because i called him a name in my post, the whole thread was locked

Wiser words never spoken

People are talking about gun stuff here? It's a pinball site. He should be banned.

when you point one finger there are three pointing back at you. Name calling never acomplishes anything. You have every right to voice your opinion and say if you had a bad experience with a seller and warn others, but there is no need to bring name callign into it.

No one said anyone couldn't say anything.
Just on this forum, where you agreed to the rules.
If it takes votes from 3 different moderators, it is hard to say
someone is being singled out.

This forum is for PINBALL, and not politics, religion, etc.

Robin is trying to keep this forum a useful place. You can express
your opinion, but it needs to relate to pinball, ie the best way to do something,
the best suppliers, the best LEDs, etc.

Read the thread or posts if you are going to say someone should be banned. The entire thread was about guns. He was banned for how he chose to make his points.

That's not entirely correct. There's a sub-section of the forum called "The off-topic bar: In this forum you can talk about fun stuff that doesn't necessarily have to do with the silver ball."

So TFA got banned for a week - big deal. I could feel his blood pressure rising thru the PC screen with each of his posts. Let the moderators do their job and give him some time to chill out before he has a stroke. You never know, the ban may have saved his life.

As far as I know TFA is the first member to get banned under the new 3 ban vote system,
it is what it is guys and with 350 ppl on forum - not that bad 1/350

Simple solution: Don't wonder into the "Off Topic" area.

A mans got to know his limitations.....

Right...

Bear in mind, it's very possible that other people received ban votes from that thread. In TheFamilyArcade's case, it was his third and final vote.

This is a good question indeed. We probably need to be more diligent in the future when it comes to closing down threads such as that before they spiral out of control.

Yup. Maybe he will realize TF sucks!

lol!! its a tough room here : )

What's the point? You'll just be answering basically the same questions in one of the many "how come this thread was closed?...how come they are closing threads? where's my thread...etc etc.

Now it's the mods fault that people can;t have a discussion without spiraling out of control? Recock.

That isn't entirely true, but then neither was your post. And why that thread was locked.

You weren't banned, where you ?

A big difference between a thread being locked and a person being banned.

Lloyd

Actually the "Off Topic" area should be the one area that is loosely moderated if at all and all legal topics are allowed , ranting behavior or name calling still not allowed.

Threads about guns should be banned. Period. It's just as sensitive of a subject as politics and religion. The internet is littered with discussions about guns gone bad. In some cases, those discussions have helped to implode a group or bulletin board. Look what has become of the nascar usenet group:

http://tinyurl.com/bx2sozw

You guys leaving that thread out there is like baiting bad behavior. You're asking for it. Thinking you can keep gun threads in line is being naive IMO. Nothing personal. It's just I've seen it plenty of times before. Gun threads never turn out good unless it's a gun related board. You shouldn't expect any different here.

I think it's just a matter of being consistent and that thread was certainly beyond the point that many other "on topic" threads have been locked.

I come to Pinside to get away from gun and political talk.

Wow what a mess.

What if you declared a special unmoderated section that didn't show its threads on the main forum page? I know some other forums that do similar things, mostly so people can let loose, and hidden so people who don't want to see it aren't forced to.

Call it The Family Arcade

You can already disable OT threads.

When I first saw the thread in question, I reported it and asked for it to be removed. It had already become political.

I'll stand toe to toe with anyone on politics, and I'm well versed enough in the finer points of debate as well as studied in the facts to hand people their rear-ends on a consistent basis.

But the reality is, rules are rules, and this board is supposed to be non political.

If you want to let it become political, I'm all for it.

That used to be one of my favorite boards. It's not quite as bad during the season, but it's still a shell of the group it used to be and off topic BS dominates the group. Exhibit A why pinside should ban discussions about guns.

or call it RGP

Really Grouchy People

Can't we just all get along, no sense in getting your hair in fuss!

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Dude , it's the 3rd one
everytime we close a gun thread a new one pops up
what do you want us to do kick ppl out or close the OT section?

I didnt lie about anything in my post, I gave my facts, others replied that the same thing had been done to them. You tell me what i lied about and i will gladly apologize. Just like in this post, I said that i was given a warning, not that i was banned. And now you are going to say that the thread was locked because it was not true. If that was the case, then why are almost every post on here not locked, because many of them have information that is not true. It was locked because i called your friend Greg Kemenitz a name, which violated the rules.

I understand that you were sticking up for your friend, but we are two different people and handle things differently. If a friend of mine wrongs someone, I would tell my friend that i have higher expectations of my friends and suggest that they handle things better. But instead, you chose the other side to stick up for a friend and that because that person is your friend that they are right. As you blames me in my thread that there are two sides of the story. I gave my side, and was 100% factual. The other side didnt say anything, but of course i had to be the wrong side. I know that alot of people will give me hell for going against you, some here think you are a god or something. But we all have different opinions. I like many of the things that you have said and done on the various groups, and in fact, my post was actually a positive thing saying that i wished your name would not have been associated with greg. But instead, you attacked me calling me a liar and such. Just go through all your back emails and see how many times people have needed your help in getting things from greg. Let me kow if it is more than just me, if it was just me, Im sorry for stirring it up, If others have needed your assistance, then maybe you will see the pattern and not call the others liars.

It's tricky, because a thread simply about guns doesn't necessarily break any Pinside rules. The problem is that it always, and I do mean ALWAYS, becomes political. For this reason, I agree with you that the topic should indeed be banned.

we aren't about to change / modify the rules for one guy (TFA)
when 99% of those who come to the site are cool with the way it is now.

Wow.

Lloyd

Unsavory folks movin' in. Yep.

It's semantics really. Discussions about politics or religion are against the written pinside rules. Discussions about guns should also be against the rules. Members can be banned, certain topics are against the rules (not banned). I would suggest changing the written rules and sending out a message about it. There will be some backlash, but the vast majority of folks will understand and agree that it's a good idea.

Didn't FlipperFingers get banned for creating an alternate identity to start that thread on Race and Pinball?

But it's not just TFA. Whenever a gun topic comes up, it always becomes political. People have shown time and time again that they are unable to stick strictly to the topic, and insist on injecting their political views into the thread. As a result, we are forced to start handing out ban votes, closing threads, etc ... It seems pretty clear at this point that, by its very nature, the topic of guns is extremely controversial. Wouldn't it just be better for everyone in the long run if we just banned the topic and moved on?

And so far, you have proved to me that your one of them.

I would really like to NOT have to think that.

When people that do not like guns understand that they can be talked about like a pinball machine or a simple tool we are fine. I actually closed that thread for a while and opened it back up when it calmed down at one point. If you look you will see I also kept mentioning the topic was guns. I was told to calm down at one point.

Basically guns are a hobby for many and a family can do them. I you do not like them fine, but don't attack those that do. I do not bash the guys who want to talk NFL. Why have it? Because we all have several hobbies. Same goes for skateboards, electric cars, NBA, NHL, pets or beer. Let the people in those hobbies enjoy them with other pinsiders and stay out if you are going to go negative.

Back to beer, lets all go have one right now. Cheers!

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Looks like you've already imbibed.

I think 'no politics' rules are stupid (Pinside is far from the only place with such a rule), and people who get upset by those debates or can't handle them, should just stay out. One of the reasons the world is in such a mess is that the common man rarely discusses politics - people should be exposed to raw dialogue between those who are governed rather than what the TV feeds them. On a forum I run we allow people to have political arguments if they like, it's never been an issue.

Particularly liked the part about lost karma. Very funny.

Generally speaking so do I, which is why I don't click on those topics, in the off topic section.

I totally agree on this,
Just like religion ect there seems to be no grey area possible on this subject, therefore your for, or against, no surrender.
Thats a shame and a caricature.
Has no place here.

Shoehorned that in nicely. Another fine example for the board to follow, sir mod. Always blame "them". Always. Four stars. Would read again.

Guys
Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity. Can't we all just get along . I'm guilty of being a pain in the ass as much as the next guy but most of the time it's all in good fun.

Well, what can we do so that you don't? This is #1 on my priority list as of now.

Worst thread deception Ive ever seen, It wasn't getting crazy like he wanted, then he came as his normal identity with a foolish comment to light it on fire.

Nothing wrong with a good discussion about politics, in the right place. A pinball forum isn't the right place. There are tens of thousands of political forums out there. Same goes for guns. Hell, there's probably at least a hundred that combine discussions of both politics and guns. Google is your friend. This ain't the place.

Does it have as many members as pinside does? Is it completely public, like pinside?

remember this is an international Pinball site
if you open the door to politics you will get it from all parts of the globe

nope - lets keep it shut