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Bally Rocket Woodrail Flipperless Restoration


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#51 5 months ago

My attempt to recreate the front panel of the cab is going slow but its going. I was able to cut out the hinge and sill for the coin box door with my Dremel Max. Tomorrow I’ll try the access door. If I can get this front piece done then this cab is definitely getting rebuilt.

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#52 5 months ago

So im at a loss here. In the backbox there are 2 live wires leading to nothing. Not sure what they go to and the schematics for this machine suck. I wish i could find someone else that owns one of these so i could pick their brains.

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#53 5 months ago

Not sure if this has anything to do with the mystery wires but on the projector there apparently was some kind of switch there.

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#54 5 months ago

Is there were the lamp for the projector was mounted? Maybe the wires power the bulb? Measure the voltage.

#55 5 months ago
Quoted from fattdirk:

Is there were the lamp for the projector was mounted? Maybe the wires power the bulb? Measure the voltage.

I think youre right about the lamp mounting. The new light is higher in the pic. As for the mystery wires, it looks like another machine has the same thing. Found a pic in another backbox and they were on that machine too.

#56 5 months ago

Did some work on the projector yesterday, the disc was dilapidated and warped, so I took it off and gently sandwiched it between glass and slowly heated it up to flatten. Took about 30 mins of holding up the glass and swirling a heat gun around in circles until the plastic started to soften and flatten out. After all that, and getting it back together I found that the transparent disc seems to be too small..... which baffles me, almost like someone replaced it once with the wrong size. Its about a 3/4-1" too small in diameter. So what I think im going to do is scan the disc and expand the image to the correct size and find a way to reprint it on plastic. This will be a fun challenge. I'd love to just buy a new one but I have no clue where to begin with finding one of these.

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#57 5 months ago

I know this might not be too impressive but im happy that i was able to get this front panel cut properly for the doors. Once i get a new router the rest of this cabinet should come together nicely. My goal is to keep the original doors and transfer the wood rails to the new cabinet.

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#58 5 months ago

Maybe something else amiss....that sure looks like the original wheel.....
Sweet Looking Job! Enjoying your sharing!

#59 5 months ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

Maybe something else amiss....that sure looks like the original wheel.....
Sweet Looking Job! Enjoying your sharing!

Thanks!
I just scanned the wheel from the projector. Im going to enlarge it slightly until its perfect. fattdirk gave me a good idea, Im going to print the scan to a water slide decal and place it on new plastic. In theory it should work like a charm.

#60 5 months ago

Scanned the disc. Enlarged it a half inch and its dead center and looking good. Once i print this to a water decal and apply to new plastic it’ll be like new. What you see here is just a test run that i taped to the wheel with regular paper.

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#61 5 months ago

Along with putting the schematics back on the backbox panel im going to add these mini instruction cards for the projector spring based on Novelty or Free Plays settings. The mini cards are about 2 1/2 by 4 inches

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#62 5 months ago

Spent the day in the garage cutting and routing. This cabinet is gonna work out. I wanted to make sure all my cuts and routes were correct so i stood everything up. Here you see it standing just from the weight of the glass. Still need to route the groove for the bottom panel to slide in, then cut out the access for the power and jones plugs in the back and drill out holes for the plunger in the front. Then itll be gluing time. Making progress.

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#63 5 months ago

Transfered over the water slide decal to a sheet of plastic.
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The first attempt worked fine but the image seemed too transparent so i bit the bullet and slid a second decal over the first. What a pain lining everything up perfectly.
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After that i was able to cut the disc out with a dremel and drill out the center and adjustment grooves.
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After significant fine tuning its working again!
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#64 5 months ago

Shes playing like a dream tonight. Getting some amazing scores and for the first time since owning this machine I FINALLY got super-special to light! It only paid out 2 free plays but im still glad it actually lit. Loving this flipperless game!

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#65 5 months ago

Small update, got a 5v 89 Flasher LED from cointaker for the projector. Hot Damn this thing is bright for 5vs! It projects so good now.

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#66 5 months ago

Replaced the back panel that was painted over, water damaged, and drilled out. Also installed the spring setting visual cards for freeplay and novelty play. Havent decided if ill keep the panel as is or paint it blue to match the cab when i get to that point.

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#67 5 months ago

You should chrome those stepper brackets.

#68 5 months ago

Major mystery for me has been solved thanks to some help from several people.
So first of all I reached out to every person on pinside that owns or ever owned a Bally Rocket that i could find. Like a weird detective.
Bob drain1 was a major help with my projector. He emailed me about 30 pics of the backbox and rest of the machine which are going to be a major help with this project. The pic that puzzled me was originally taken to show where the zero stop bracket was.(blue circle) But i noticed an arm of sorts coming off of the 1000 point stepper.(red circle)
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2nd i pulled up the pics from the pinside game page and reached out to stepside who posted the pics because in his pics there was a bell attached to the stepper unit. stepside let me know he sold the game to a guy named Eric in florida and gave me his contact info. I reached out to eric who also sold the game but was able to have the new owner send me a ton of pics.
Bell.

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After comparing several pics i was able to find on my machine, that there indeed was a hammer attached to the 1000 point stepper that rang a bell. And my machine is missing both.
Where the arm used to be.
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Now Im wracking my brain with ideas of how to recreate this hammer. Also in the market for a 2.5 inch bell.
I think there are about 8 of these machines left and i have hunted down every single owner.

#69 4 months ago

Was able to fix the bell clamper, just need a 3” bell and the 1000 point stepper will be back in action.

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#70 4 months ago

Finally got this thing done. The first attempt to fix the bell clapper on the 1000 point stepper failed so I tapped into fattdirk s toolbox for some steel to be grinded and welded to the arm. That thing isnt ever coming off now! Now every piece of this machine is working like its supposed to. So happy to hear it ringing like it was intended. Makes the 10,000 point bell so much more gratifying. ding ding ding ding DINGGGG instead of chug chug chug chug Ding. Love it.

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#71 4 months ago

So i took the 10,000 point bell off today and wet sanded it from 600-2000 grit and now im tempted to take every piece of metal apart back here and do the same. Its so shiny.
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#72 4 months ago

Final cuts made and holes drilled. Time to glue.

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#73 4 months ago

Installed the playfield supports and dropped the playfield in just to make sure all my measurements paid off.

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#74 4 months ago

Decided to sand the pieces of metal on the sides of the cab. Blown away by how shiny they turned out.

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#75 4 months ago

Needed to clean up the ball lift. The springs were coated in what looked like axel grease and the metal was oxidized pretty bad. Now i can touch this thing without getting dirty grease on me.

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#76 4 months ago

Quite a bit of progress this weekend. Was able to finish building the cabinet. Doesnt seem like much but it was a really fun somewhat challenging puzzle to get everything back together. After I get the rails transfered to the new I’ll be able to paint.

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#77 4 months ago

My favorite thing about this rebuild was trying to find a way to recreate the “clear credits” switch that came through the bottom. It looked like there was a longer thin piece of plastic attached to the switch that came out of the bottom, but had broke off. So i made a button salvaging one of the Retro-fit flipper buttons that were installed on this game when I got it. Alone it looks like some cartoonish Acme style detonator but I love the way it turned out on the new cabinet.

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#78 4 months ago

I need to pull the rails off the old cabinet and transfer them to the new. Anyone ever do this before? Im looking for suggestions on how to remove them without prying on 72 year old wood.

I might use a dremel and somewhat surgically remove them by cutting the old nails out.

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#79 3 months ago

Since I can’t actually paint at the moment I figured I should try to get things ready with the extra time. Traced the rocket and cut out templates to create stencils.
Debating on what material to use.

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#80 3 months ago

Transfered the template to poster board. Exacto knifed it out.

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#81 3 months ago

Awesome! What steps are you using to restore your metal parts?

#82 3 months ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

Awesome! What steps are you using to restore your metal parts?

So far all I have done is just wet sanded everything. I usually start at 400 and go up from there. The highest Ive gone is 2000 with this and that’s for the side rails. They are reflective and look really clean but not over the top.

I don’t have a tumbler so everything gets sanded. Should probably just get a tumbler and save my hands and water bill.

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#83 3 months ago

I’m torn on how to set up this playfield. I referenced dozens of pics online and personally reached out to owners of this machine for references on the set up. This is what I have seen on pretty much every machine. The diamond shaped bumper on the lower left of the playfield.
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However according to the flyer the set up shows a sling stretched between 2 posts.
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My playfield has been altered quite a bit in its 72 year journey and you can see where someone drilled an extra hole for a post and where the old diamond bumper ate up the playfield.
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Do I just leave it with the diamond to hide the blemishes or go back to 2 posts and a sling to match the flyer? (Which means filling the hole and painting the worn areas.)
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I do not want to clear coat this playfield so I hate to think Im limited to staying with the diamond shape bumper, I wonder if this was a second set up option available for everyone, like that post came with the game. So many of these games have that post there. Was everyone just copying a pic they saw like I did or was this an alternate set up?

#84 3 months ago

Being that this game is flipperless and the ball isn't traveling at any aggressive speed, would a glossy acrylic fill the gouges and hold, and also not look like crap?

#85 3 months ago

I’d leave it per flyer and do up a simple color matched vinyl decal the shape of the light orange ‘crescent’ which would hide the filled hole and no one would ever know - have you seen my posts on how I do the decals? On my jack and Jill I Did a similar simple shape decal ... oh I’m missing that machine

Yours is looking great!

#86 3 months ago
Quoted from manitouguy:

I’d leave it per flyer and do up a simple color matched vinyl decal the shape of the light orange ‘crescent’ which would hide the filled hole and no one would ever know - have you seen my posts on how I do the decals? On my jack and Jill I Did a similar simple shape decal ... oh I’m missing that machine
Yours is looking great!

This is a great idea but i feel like im missing how to do it. Found your spin out thread. How did you match the color and what is the product you used and how did you print it? I need to download your brain!

#87 3 months ago

Here is another project I’m trying to finally finish - have a read of that - it should help

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/my-strange-world-playfield-fix

#88 3 months ago

And a before and after pic of a simple decal to cover ball kick out wear on my jack ‘n Jill - aaaahhh I should have kept that game lol

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#89 3 months ago

I think you should make it look like the flyer and use the slingshot (two posts and the rubber band).

Your playfield looks stunning - Please do not clear coat it or alter it in any ways. I am sure you will be able to disguise the little imperfections induced by the Diamond shaped bumper.

Yves

#90 3 months ago
Quoted from Arcane:

I think you should make it look like the flyer and use the slingshot (two posts and the rubber band).
Your playfield looks stunning - Please do not clear coat it or alter it in any ways. I am sure you will be able to disguise the little imperfections induced by the Diamond shaped bumper.
Yves

Thanks Yves, Im considering the decal approach manitouguy has done with several of his EMs, however I don't have the tech and tools needed or a relationship with any local print shops. I considering doing some minor touch ups anywhere the ball is not able to access to help clean it up. For the most part Ive decided to go with the original set up with the slings, I know this machine isn't going to be 100% original but I'm trying to get as close as possible with a few tasteful differences.

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#91 3 months ago

Getting into the stir crazy months of winter and all I want to do is finish my cabinet. I’m starting to think I’m not going to finish in time for the Ohio show and it’s bumming me out. So to keep my mind occupied I started taking things apart that didn’t need it and did some cleaning. I got a tumbler finally to help me clean the smaller metal pieces. Some parts turned out great, the others not so much. I wet sanded the main gear and main housing by hand. I should really look into getting a buffer. Also I decided to add the red paint back to the arms.
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I really love the copper housing for the lens. Has a steam punk look to it
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#92 3 months ago

Nice improvements, Matt.

How does it feel to play that machine? What are the tricks to win a play?

Yves

#93 3 months ago
Quoted from Arcane:

Nice improvements, Matt.
How does it feel to play that machine? What are the tricks to win a play?
Yves

The feel is really different than playing with flippers. The trick is timing slight nudges. For example when the ball fires out of the right kick out towards the bottom hole, I found that if I nudge to the right just as it fires I’m more likely to get it in the hole otherwise it’ll loop about half the time. Then im in defense to bounce off of other posts to keep it in play.

Specific scores light the red special bumpers up top, usually 3 times in between 100k-150k. Each hit of the red is a free credit which makes the projector advance 1 number and engages the coil under the slide mech so a nickel isnt needed.

Now the real trick is getting the Green Super Specials. They rarely light but ive had them lit legitimately 3 times when the game lands on 315k exactly. The payout is sporadic. From 1 to 50 free games. Highest I’ve gotten manually testing it is 5 free games. Not sure how the game knows when to give different payouts but it does. Amazing for such old technology.

Other than lighting specials, if your score hits the high score on the cards you get free games too.

#94 3 months ago

Thank you Matt. That sounds interesting and I will have to try to play one of these games once.

Yves

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#95 72 days ago

Due to weather this projects been on hold. The temps were not too bad yesterday so I sawed the old rails of the original cab with the dremel and glued them to the new cab.

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#96 64 days ago

Little bit of progress this weekend. Got the legs primed and painted.

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#97 64 days ago

Backbox is ready for the white spatters on the sides.
The temps are still a little too low to be painting but I’m REALLY trying to get this thing done for the Ohio show

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#98 26 days ago

Feels good to be able to work on this game again! Little bit of progress.

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#99 10 days ago

Did some splatter work to create the outer space starry sky

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#100 10 days ago

And one of the Rockets stenciled

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$ 86.95
Cabinet - Shooter Rods
Super Skill Shot Shop
$ 90.00
Lighting - Under Cabinet
Rock Custom Pinball
$ 7,499.00
Pinball Machine
Nitro Pinball USA
$ 48.00
Cabinet - Other
ModFather Pinball Mods
From: $ 149.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
Sparky Pinball
$ 22.00
Cabinet - Sound/Speakers
ModFather Pinball Mods
$ 9.95
$ 76.95
Cabinet - Shooter Rods
Super Skill Shot Shop
$ 27.99
Eproms
Matt's Basement Arcade
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