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Bally Playboy Too Racy For Public Family-Oriented Setting?


By Dooskie

3 years ago



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“Is it a bad idea to have a Bally Playboy pinball machine at a family-oriented public golf course?”

  • Yes! You want the kids going to the course to play golf, not drool in front of the pinball machine all day. 6 votes
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  • No! Kids see lots worse every day on the Internet. 17 votes
    17%
  • No! Don't be a prude. It's only a pinball machine. 30 votes
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  • Yes! It's a family-friendly business, not a strip club. Have some common sense! 47 votes
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#1 3 years ago

This might be one of those questions that if I have to ask, I probably already know the answer. But I'd like some input from the Pinside community on this one.

We're in the process of adding a pinball room at our golf course, so we're going to have room to add several more machines. In a previous life, I had the 1978 Bally Playboy machine. Lots of fun to play and pretty easy on the eyes. I have an opportunity to get that machine back.

So my question is this: We have a lot of kids that play golf at our course, and we promote the facility as a family-oriented, community public golf course. Is it bad judgment to have a game like this in the line-up?

Thank you in advance for your responses.

#2 3 years ago

I wouldn't do it if the room is for kids and adults. Many parents will not want their kids near the word Playboy. I avoid buying the game in my biz if I can help it. I did finish gutting a Data East one last night - but it didn't have a play field when I got it and I wanted the boards and harness from it for working on other Data Least titles.

#3 3 years ago

Would you sell Playboy magazine (even without nudes, now)?

#4 3 years ago
Quoted from cody_chunn:

Would you sell Playboy magazine (even without nudes, now)?

Not a chance. Golf magazines, the daily newspaper, some national magazines like Time, but that's my limit. Very good point!

#5 3 years ago

I would guess that even aside from No Good Gofers and Tee'd Off, there are probably at least a half dozen other golf-themed pins, wouldn't it make sense to get one of those? And then I'll gladly take that Playboy off your hands.

Edit: I re-read original post, you probably have at least one already.

#6 3 years ago

There are hundreds of family friendly games out there, and only 10 that may cause concern. Why take the risk?

#7 3 years ago

Is this a serious question?

#8 3 years ago
Quoted from Khabbi:

Is this a serious question?

Absolutely a serious question. I was hoping for some response from Pinsiders that have routed machines for a living, and have had some experience with putting machines with similar artwork at various locations.

And where would you draw the line? If Playboy is too much, either because of the graphics or the name, how about a machine like Jungle Lord? Or how about the 1978 Bally Star Trek? They couldn't have made Uhura's chest any bigger if they tried.

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#9 3 years ago
Quoted from jibmums:

I would guess that even aside from No Good Gofers and Tee'd Off, there are probably at least a half dozen other golf-themed pins, wouldn't it make sense to get one of those? And then I'll gladly take that Playboy off your hands.
Edit: I re-read original post, you probably have at least one already.

We have the NGG. Been looking for Tee'd Off, just haven't found one at the right price yet. We are always interested in any type of golf-themed pins, btw.

#10 3 years ago
Quoted from Dooskie:

Or how about the 1978 Bally Star Trek? They couldn't have made Uhura's chest any bigger if they tried.

The Playboy thing makes sense. This just reminds me of internet feminists.

#11 3 years ago

I would say go for it. Golf is mainly a adult activity, if you owned a putt-putt golf course for kids and family's then no. Put it in and see if it gets played. It says on the backglass "Entertainment for all"

#13 3 years ago

I bet a King Kong would kill at that location...

#14 3 years ago
Quoted from Dooskie:

how about a machine like Jungle Lord?

Example that proves the rule. Just about the only game ever made where female figure is not enhanced.
Besides, Tarzan type clothing is somehow considered family friendly.

I agree with those saying 99% would be fine with it, but why cause problems with even 1% of your customers.

#15 3 years ago

Playboy was at family and kid locations when it was released in 1978 so I don't see any reason that should be different now.

But I always thought the porn videos in the 80s at eye level for kids in mini marts under the counter was a bit much.

#16 3 years ago

In 1978 the convenience store just one block away from my elementary school got a Bally Playboy. This was the place where all of the kids blew their lunch money on candy, soda, and pinball. I put countless quarters in that machine! I guess it was a different world then.

#17 3 years ago
Quoted from zombywoof:

I guess it was a different world then.

Same world, but no new Ballys lately.

#18 3 years ago

Don't let your kids watch an NFL game. X rated celebration dances might occur. Or at least not stand for the national anthem..........

#19 3 years ago
Quoted from pinkid:

Don't let your kids watch an NFL game. X rated celebration dances might occur. Or at least not stand for the national anthem..........

They may also inquire about that 4 hour.... well, you know what.....

#20 3 years ago

Playboy would definitely be too racy. You should get a Scared Stiff instead.

#21 3 years ago

Common sense should apply. If your interested in getting quarters, a teen and a playboy is going to get more money. However you'll lose small kids and concerned parents so it probably not a value add at most locations. If on the other hand your putting pins in to bring new people into the hobby, family friendly especially kid friendly games should be your focus.

Gophers, Tee-d off seem the best and connect the golf course to a new hobby.

#22 3 years ago
Quoted from VacFink:

Common sense should apply. If your interested in getting quarters, a teen and a playboy is going to get more money. However you'll lose small kids and concerned parents so it probably not a value add at most locations. If on the other hand your putting pins in to bring new people into the hobby, family friendly especially kid friendly games should be your focus.
Gophers, Tee-d off seem the best and connect the golf course to a new hobby.

I disagree. A game with good gameplay will get quarters. A racy theme will just get the one-time "curiosity" play. Add WCS....its a great play and frankly, kids love soccer. Teed Off blows. Don't get too tied to theme, you have your NGG.

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#23 3 years ago

If it was me, and it was known that I was involved in putting that machine in there, no WAY in HELL would I want to be associated. That's a no win situation. Consider being called on the carpet about why you chose "that" machine.

My dad's golf course (or club or whatever it is) is branching out into ways to recruit younger members and more women. Why? So they'll pay up for the memberships or even just the occasional course play. I didn't see if you specified whether this is a members club or public. If it's public, just forget it, not even your nostalgia is worth the hassle.

Now if this was the men's locker room you were going to put it in, different story - nobody going to complain if it's there. But a public thoroughfare? Not worth it. I personally wouldn't have a problem with it, and I don't think my wife would - but that's the thing- it's not my house, or your house, it's a place everybody shares.

No two ways about it: Playboy is NOT family friendly, no matter how much of a stand one wants to make about free speech and everyone's being an adult. Put that machine in there and you are saying "kids and wives not welcome."

#24 3 years ago

Dugh! There are many other machines that don't revolve around a porno mag. That's what playboy was in 1978. Is the machine even that good?

#25 3 years ago

Agree with the others who have xhimed in saying there are far too many other titles to consider without the potential baggage. I have wanted one for a while but my kids are still young. No way till they're at least 18. I think you're on the right track. My kids love the shuffle bowler that I just fixed up. Fun as hell I think. Can be had for a reasonable sum as well

Just my .02

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#26 3 years ago

#27 3 years ago

People will judge it negatively based on the theme alone. Having that machine will not bring in any extra business as opposed to being a different "non-offensive" machine, but it could potentially alienate some customers. Economic cost says it doesn't make sense.

My opinion.

#28 3 years ago

Playboy offensive? Give me a break! People don't boycot stores just because they sell the magazine.

When I was kid in the 60s, that mag was on the magazine rack at the local supermarket and that didn't keep people from buying groceries, in fact we'd sit and read it.

Just like in the 70s the Playboy pinball machine didn't stop families from going bowling. Sometimes I wonder what planet today's pinball enthusiast came from.

#29 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Playboy offensive? Give me a break! People don't boycot stores just because they sell the magazine.
When I was kid in the 60s, that mag was on the magazine rack at the local supermarket and that didn't keep people from buying groceries, in fact we'd sit and read it.
Just like in the 70s the Playboy pinball machine didn't stop families from going bowling. Sometimes I wonder what planet today's pinball enthusiast came from.

You're not a mom. They aren't going to share your perspective. IMO, that's something the OP should be considering.

#30 3 years ago

You don't know my mom.

#31 3 years ago

1978 playboy isn't even close to porn. The most risqué thing on it is the girl in the pool/grotto on the left side of the PF. The only issue I see are the "prudes" who will see the name and instantly think porn, and not even look at it to see its not. And in the 70's skin wasn't so much of an issue, there were flashes of it in PG movies, not sex, but flashes of skin. Then the moral majority got in and started pushing that skin is bad, so now you see more people getting blown up, and all sorts of violence, but show any skin... One of the big differences between here and many other parts of the world. When it first came out, it was everywhere. Again, my 2 cents...
I also disagree with the poster above that said his kids are to young and he will have to wait until they are 18. We aren't talking about the later ones, although even they can be toned down. But you have to do what you feel is correct.

#32 3 years ago

We live in a very different world from the one in 1970 and 1980.

Playboy carries a strong, negative connotation to the overly-protective world we live in today. It's absolutely not worth the hassle. I guarantee you're going to get some yuppie helicopter mom demanding to speak to the manager about a Playboy machine. There are hundreds of other great titles. I'd pick basically any of them.

#33 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

You don't know my mom.

Lol! Ok I concede to your mom

#34 3 years ago
Quoted from Insane:

The most risqué thing on it is the girl in the pool/grotto on the left side of the PF.

The ladies leaning against the pop bumpers show nude nipples in profile. Game Over.

#35 3 years ago
Quoted from cody_chunn:

The ladies leaning against the pop bumpers show nude nipples in profile. Game Over.

You are correct, I missed those, but I don't know if I would call them ladies, per se. They aren't really any different then some of the things on other games of that era and some later. Look at Nitro Groundshaker, I would call the girl on the PF on that "worse" than what's on here. And I'm not saying that the OP should or shouldn't place it, just that if you look at the game, its not any worse or less family friendly than a lot of other games. Just the name, which for a lot of people, who probably don't know, makes them think porn. They think there is hardcore porn in playboy.

#36 3 years ago

Name the pinball machine who's theme was based on a porno mag from the 70's? How difficult was that question.

#37 3 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

Name the pinball machine who's theme was based on a porno mag from the 70's?

Hustler, the pinball machine?

#38 3 years ago

If you've got a problem with Bally Playboy then it's probably safe to stay away from most 70s/80s SS pins. Skateball and Future Spa have sexy images all over and Centaur and Gorgar have satanic images all over.

Bally Playboy is probably the least offensive of the early SS pins. I don't remember the sounds but they probably won't arouse someone like Xenon.

If it was me, I would put it in there and deal with the complaints if there were any (which I imagine there wouldn't). You'll just have to decide for yourself.

#39 3 years ago

They sold 18,250 Bally Playboy pinball machines. They had to put em somewhere.

#40 3 years ago

The Bally Playboy pin is "G" rated. The flyer from 1978 says it all.

Instead of the normal Playboy slogan "Entertainment for Men" that is shown on the front cover of the magazines, the backglass of the pinball machines says "Entertainment for All".

The artwork is also tamed down to a "G" level.

The vast majority of us find it hard to believe that what was considered "tame" back in 1978 could be considered pornographic almost 40 years later.

#41 3 years ago

I saw more Playboy machines on location than Addams Family. So what dose that tell you?

#42 3 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

Name the pinball machine who's theme was based on a porno mag from the 70's? How difficult was that question.

Name the pinball machine who's theme is based on a non-porno, lifestyle mag from 2016? That was probably pretty difficult.

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#43 3 years ago

Come on now. Let's not play games. Playboy is the world's most recognized name in pornography.
Nobody is going to care if they're trying to rebrand as a lifestyle magazine. Let's not pretend that history and context mean nothing, or we're going to open a huge, ugly can of social movement and civil rights worms.

#44 3 years ago

I'm going to leave it at this.

Bally Playboy is a significant part of pinball history as it is the first solid state pinball machine that was everywhere as the EMs were on their way out.

And if I remember it was a darn good playing game.

#45 3 years ago
Quoted from GotAQuestion:

Playboy is the world's most recognized name in pornography.

No, my fine sir. That is the Internet.

I'm curious do parents monitor their kids' use of the internet? It seems they give their children a phone at a younger age than I saw porn. I think I saw my first porn on Cinemax in 6th grade at a friend's house. Never looked at a Playboy till College and that's probably the only one I've ever looked at. I've seen more SI Swimsuit mags.

Playboy has become irrelevant and has been so for many years. I do like their new redesign though. Very stylish.

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#47 3 years ago

There are two very different questions here.

1. Is Bally Playboy a wise business decision for OP?
Based on how you describe your customers and your business positioning, it doesn't seem like it's worth any potential hassle. There is virtually no upside to putting Playboy in at this location and potentially a lot of downside. Regardless of question 2, concerned mothers are not going to walk over to the Playboy machine and look for offensive stuff. They'll just keep their kids out of there

As stated above, there are hundreds of other choices that won't cause problems for you.

2. Do people think that the Bally Playboy is actually OK for kids? This question is irrelevant to the OP.

#48 3 years ago

For normal people Bally Playboy isn't an issue.

If you are a religious fundamentalist or some kind of prude you might not want one.

So the key is if you are worried about what others might say, don't invite any whack-jobs over to play pinball.

#49 3 years ago
Quoted from BrewinBombers:

Is Bally Playboy a wise business decision for OP?

This should be changed to "Is pinball a wise business decision for OP?"

I mean why even put the machines in public. It's just depreciating the condition and worth of the machines and I would imagine the return isn't covering that.

Pinball is inherently offensive. From the days it was considered gambing and illegal, to the heydays of arcades when they were corrupting the younger generation, to today when the themes of yesterday must be shielded from our children despite the fact they hold all of that and more in the palm of their hand.

Honestly pinball's seedier nature is what brought most of us into the community. The feeling as a kid of doing something that might be considered wrong by our parents. Most children will rebel against their parents. It seems like the older generation understood that providing mild forms of rebellion was better than letting them find their own and possibly more destructive ways

In fact I kind of want to rebel against the people on here, find a Playboy and put it in a Family Fun Center.

#50 3 years ago

The only thing I had a problem with is the old lady in the grotto.

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