Are ‘non-ghosting’ the same as ‘Frosted’?

I’m assuming they are but it may not matter for my machines because I only used the LEDs in the backbox and on the playfield. Left 47s for the inserts.

Looking forward to seeing a picture of them in Ron’s Night Rider.

Yes. When a coil is fired there is a magnetic field collapse that induces a current into the "controlled lamp" circuit that causes them to flicker and flash.

GI is on all the time so non-issue.

Thanks for the clarification but what exactly is a non-ghosting led bulb?

gdonovan said it in the post just above yours. I'll add this for more info, paraphrased from the Comet Pinball website:

If you have an insert (or other type of controlled lighting) that subtly flickers when it should be off, you need non-ghosting bulbs to fix the issue. Your game is sending a small amount of voltage to the socket, not enough to light an incandescent bulb, but enough for an LED.

These non-ghosting bulbs are our standard recommendation for inserts. They're a little more expensive, but contain a resistor that prevent small amounts of voltage from illuminating the bulb.

Thanks for the info.

Thanks for that. That’s great to know if I do decide to put LEDs under the playfield.

I just did a Bally Old Chicago PF swap, and tried non-ghosting below the special, free ball, star rollover and double bonus lamps with Comet non-ghosting. All locations except the star rollover flickered so bad I had to revert back to 47s... folks here on Pinside have reported various results on different games... so if you're considering them, it's worth a shot IMO, as smart use of LEDs can enhance certain insert colors, especially with the warm non-ghosting varieties.

Thanks for the info. I think I’m just going to stay with the 47s under the playfield then and the Frosted LEDs in the backbox and on the playfield. It looks good that way to me.

Sorry to hijack this thread but lastly, I have to say how nice it was to have all the bulbs working or not flickering on My Aladdin’s Castle after installing LEDs. I thought I’d have to change a bunch of sockets but I didn’t have to change one.

Yep, SS in BG locations definitely adds some brightness in areas that need it... I like colored non-ghosting Comet LEDs behind a few areas, interspersed with 47s... kinda fun to experiment to get the look you like. Have fun with it.

Looking good!

Nice work.

Although the rubber rings behind your drop targets are going to get in the way. You need to ring to the adjacent post at the top of each bank and then put a single post rubber on the very top post you are ringed around now.

Just sayin in case.....

Been great reading this thread! Awesome work. I just sold my NR and he will be restoring it.

Nice work.
Although the rubber rings behind your drop targets are going to get in the way. You need to ring to the adjacent post at the top of each bank and then put a single post rubber on the very top post you are ringed around now.
Just sayin in case.....</blockquote

Some folks have said that lower bounce alternatives to rubber work to reduce bricking on Bally drop banks, like super bands or titans... never tried it but i'm ordering a few for my Old Chicago bank to see if there's any change.

Wow, I have this in my stable, and have just completed a deep cleaning on it, and about the only part that was as rusted as the OP's was the weight for one of the count units.

The waitress chick has always been one of my favorites.

A coworker of mine has her tattooed on his leg!

Just curious why you didn't spray a heavier coat, let dry and sand flat, then hit the buffer... my Bally Expressway looked the same as yours after my 2nd coat... I had to spray two medium coats afterwards, sanding between coats to get it back to a nice non-bumpy sheen. Does take a LOT more time though. Like the look of the lamps... the game definitely needs some brightness... you nailed it.

Nice job, @ronss! I've enjoyed this thread, looking forward to your next one!

All part of the learning process my friend, there is always the next one to step things up!

Without a doubt! It's a tedious process and I've made my share of mistakes along the way. Every playfield you do from here on out it gets better. Keep on truckin!

This is a great looking project!

I have what might be a silly question. Does the EM version of this machine play identical to the SS version? Anything different than the score reels and chimes versus the digital displays?

Great question. I have the SS version and often wondered if there was a difference.
If I ever see one at Pinfest or York, I'll have to give it some extra attention.

From my playing both in various times in the past. I didn't have the ability to pop the hood and look. But cabinet are the same and have chimes. There my be a slight bit of the art around the score windows to add white mask for score reels on em as to the ss having plasma gas display for scoring. I would have to look at both to see if credit wheel window is different to. Check ipd page they mare have more there.

Hi @ronss! You still have your EM Night Rider? I just picked up one myself today (project, not working, but complete and pretty clean). My first EM! My Black Knight restoration is in the home stretch, then I start working on Night Rider. I'll send you a link to my EM Night Rider restoration thread once I get going. In the meantime, here are my "brought this home today" pix:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-machine-did-you-bring-home-today-post-your-pictures/page/494#post-7164151