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Bally Motors Replaced or Repaired

By northstar-

3 years ago


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    #1 3 years ago

    I trying to find out what options I have to repair a Score Motor
    on a 1960 Bally Ball Park-- Base Ball game.

    The motor is mounted on the back door with a casing that the one end of the armature goes into the casing with a gear on it.
    The casing is ok the winding on the motor is shot don't know about the armature,

    Does anyone no where to get a motor or who can repair ??
    Hate to let the game go to the waste side

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    #2 3 years ago

    Check with Pinball Resource.

    LTG : )

    #3 3 years ago

    Do you have a part number for the motor or at least a photo? Is it a 50v or 110v motor? Considering it's a Bally, I imagine it's a motor that was also used in Bally's many bingo games of the same era. The bingo motors show up on eBay regularly. If you only need to replace the stator (the winding part), probably any motor with the identical voltage (50 or 110) would be OK. You could pop the stator off a replacement motor and install it on your Ball Park. That way you wouldn't have to worry about differing gear ratios. But a photo would be a great thing to post, and a part number if you have the user manual and it lists the motor.

    Sweet looking game, by the way!

    #4 3 years ago

    Thanks I tried PPR no luck there.
    I'll have to get the number of the motor I believe it is a 50V motor,
    Plus some pics of the motor then post.
    Thanks Bill N.S.

    1 month later
    #5 3 years ago

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    Motor 119-232
    Looking for a Coil for this game or another motor or someone who could possibly repair it?

    The Coil for the motor is 50V. which is shorted.
    If you zoom in on the first pic. you can see how the parts that are on the armature seem to come out of the casing hole.

    The armature picture with the parts on it from left to right--- Nylon gear which is in good shape and turns the gear box by hand are a oil ring some kind of a spring washer a small spring that rides on the shaft a nylon spacer and a flat washer that does not insert into gear box hole.
    The blk. spring washer does fit into gear box opening but is lose is this suppose to be lock in or is the opening wore out?

    Thanks for your knowledge or any help provided.

    #6 3 years ago

    ebay.com link: itm

    This may work...

    I'm going to my favorite part house (used machines) next weekend. I will dig through some old Ballys.

    #7 3 years ago

    You might also want to post a photo and question on the bingo forum

    Quoted from TwinDavid:

    ebay.com link: itm
    This may work...
    I'm going to my favorite part house (used machines) next weekend. I will dig through some old Ballys.

    That one appears to be a 110v motor from a Bally bingo. I'd post your photos in the bingo forum and ask what stator/coil assemblies would be interchangeable with your E-119-232 motor. (This all assumes that the stator/coil assembly is dead but the gearbox is working OK.) You'll get good answers there. Here's an example of a 50v Bally motor from a later game (judging from the higher part number):

    ebay.com link: itm

    #8 3 years ago

    Sounds great TwinDavid hope to get lucky?

    Thanks for posting Blk Cat Bone
    I have the schematic and it reads 50V. Thanks will see if someone can help?

    Crazy to think no one gets involved with remaking or repairing these Bally motors.
    Hopefully something works out hate to junk the game.

    #9 3 years ago

    This may be slightly useful. I’ve added dimensions (in inches) to photos of the 50v shutter motor from a 1956 Bally Night Club. The dimensions might be useful in advancing or discrediting my theory that Bally 50v motors were similar in dimensions. The one thing that concerns me is that your motor appears to be driving 11 cams while my motor only has 6 cams. Your stator looks thicker than mine, and that may be due to the additional cams. Ideally, you would be able to get another 50v motor, remove the stator/coil and mount it to your gear box, reusing the armature from your dead motor. You could also just get a 50v motor and mount it to the score unit shaft and not worry about possible RPM differences between it and your original motor. If it’s the difference between a running game or nothing, it may be worth a shot. One final possibility is tapping the coil out of the stator if you’ve got those “jigsaw puzzle” tabs holding your coil in place. I’ve never heard of anyone doing it. I'd also recommend asking the experts in the bingo forum for advice.

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    #10 3 years ago

    Thanks so much I don't have a mic to measure.
    I take some pictures of the coil and do my best with a ruler.

    to me it looks close.

    #11 3 years ago

    I used calipers to get those measurements; that's why the decimal places.

    #12 3 years ago

    BlackCatBone,
    Very well done neatly and accurately.

    I appreciate the time spent on helping out and also the
    time spent on the measurements and the photo shop.

    Here's a few pictures I'll try my best.
    Harbor Freight might have a caliper if this doesn't seem to give you and idea on the measurements?

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    #13 3 years ago

    It looks like your 1960 stator is thicker than the one from my 1956 Night Club. I count 18 individual plates in my stator’s cross section. I believe your count will be higher, and you can easily check this. I recommend contacting Joe Shope ([email protected]), a Bally bingo collector and restorer who bought out the parts inventory of multiple operators. I’d tell him you have a 50v baseball game motor, providing him with the diameter of your cam shaft and the thickness of the stator, both in “plate count” and inches. Joe will be able to tell you if he can provide an equivalent motor. Providing a link to the thread would also be helpful. Joe’s got deep knowledge and is a nice and helpful guy.

    #14 3 years ago

    Thank you for the information I'll contact Joe and see what he can offer.
    Then post back the results when something comes alive.

    #15 3 years ago

    Good luck. Keep us posted.

    #16 3 years ago

    @northstar. If it helps, I’m parting a 1979 Bally Dixieland so when you talk with Joe and if he doesn’t have anything, ask him if any of the six motors from a Dixie would work.

    #17 3 years ago

    Thanks 29REO,

    I'll see if, or when Joe gets back to me he's probably busy like most of us?
    I'll take those 3 layer coils if you want to sell them and the zip flipper coils.

    I just looked up the schematics on ipdb.org and it is a 50 volt game.
    I believe all Bally Pins are 50V coils?

    I see your score motor has 11 cams, if your coil looks like the one
    I showed I'll take the score motor.
    let me know what kind of price for the motor and coils
    Thanks Bill --- NJ 07054

    #18 3 years ago

    Bill, I will check out what I have and get back to you in a PM. The machine is stored elsewhere, not at home. Dixieland is a bingo and does not have flippers so I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "...3 layer coils if you want to sell them and the zip flipper coils" but any parts on the game that you can use I'll pull. I'll get a better look at the motor when I get over there. I know all the coils in that machine are 50 volts but I'd have to look at the print to see what the motors are.

    Edit: The Search Motor and the Cams Motor are 120 volt. All the other motors are 50 volt. Including the Shutter Motor and the ball lift motor there are eight motors in a Dixie.

    #19 3 years ago

    Thanks I thought you had a EM Ballly PinBall game -- 1968 Dixieland.
    Zip Flippers are ones that slide over to close the gap in the middle of them
    then slide back open.

    The coils I was talking about are on the pop bumpers ,they have two different
    layers on them with a divider in the middle of the coil with 3 leads coming out of them.

    Don't know if I can use a score motor from a Bally Pin?
    If anyone has some info that would help. Thanks.

    #20 3 years ago

    NorthStar I got ya now, I forgot about that pin. After looking at the picture of the motor you posted it looks like a much lighter duty motor than a bingo search / cams motor and actually looks kinda similar to one of the other 50 volt motors in the Dixie. It seems to me that the Trip Bank Motor might be a close fit and since it turns and resets 21 trip relays I think the power is there. I can’t tell from your pic how the motor is coupled to the cam shaft. The coupling will have to match as well. I’ll check it out and post back.

    #21 3 years ago

    Thanks for that.

    I can use my armature if you think the coil is the same thickness.
    I can try just the coil ?

    #22 3 years ago

    It’s certainly possible to swap the Stator and Armature from another motor. Here’s some pics of a trip bank motor. I compared it to the motor in a 1977 Bally Black Jack EM pinball and It looks like it will bolt up. The bingo motor appears heavier duty than the pinball motor but probably just a case of overkill for this purpose. The Stator is mounted up on this motor instead of down but I think it could be reversed as I don’t see why it matters except for airflow or space considerations.
    I’ll post more pics tomorrow as I have some other ideas.

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    #23 3 years ago

    Two more pics to show similarly:

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    #24 3 years ago

    This is the motor from a random unit. The gearbox is totally different but notice that the Stator thickness is identical to the pinball Control Unit motor.

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    #25 3 years ago

    More motor pics:

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    #26 3 years ago

    I agree it looks to be the same thickness.
    I counted 25 plates on your stator and 1 counted 25 on the one I have.

    Don't know if your plates are thicker, if you could measure some way like post #12
    to check the thickness I have 6/8 of an inch thick.
    Could get a better idea if it could work if you unmounted from the casing.
    casing will not work. just wondering if it has the same type of mounted holes,
    than i could use my casing and armature with your stator?

    Thanks again for the pictures, hopefully this could work. Bill Northstar

    #27 3 years ago

    Bill, here are some measurements:
    The Stator thickness is 5/8” or .625
    The length of the shaft that drives the cams is 1/2”
    The diameter of the shaft that drives the cams is 1/4” and the roll pin is halfway back
    The bolt spacing for the motor mounting is 1 9/16” X 1 1 9/16”

    The probability is good that you could just swap out the Stator and Armature.

    The rest of this is just me thinking. I wouldn’t discount using the replacement motor as is. The gearbox not being identical is irrelevant. Now, life would be easy if it were to just bolt right up. But it’s not the end of the line if it doesn’t. The plate that the motor came from could easily be used as a template. I am encouraged that it looks like it will bolt right in to a Bally EM pinball as you can see from the pics.

    One unknown is the collar that couples the shafts together but even that could be custom made by a machinists if you needed it. All that being said, I’m inclined to think it will work without too much trouble. The only thing I don’t know is the motor RPM but I’m confident that something in the range of 17 to 23 RPM will be fine and most of these motors are in that range.

    This all of course is your call as to how you want to approach this. The good news is that this game can easily be placed back into service.

    #28 3 years ago

    Bill, I just thought of another option. I don’t mean to make things complicated but here me out. Assuming you would need to do custom machine work to adapt the bingo motor; attached are pics of the Control Unit from a Bally Aladdin’s Castle. It has eleven cams. You could swap the cams from your game into this assembly and just screw the switch stacks back in place. And voilá. Now a motor from any Bally EM pinball will work including a bingo motor.

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    #29 3 years ago

    Thanks so Much 29 REO,

    Sounds like a plan.
    But when I got done with the post i search eBay for a Bally score motor and found a
    Bally motor from a pin called Trail Drive and Purchase it.

    Sorry about the timing but we where on the same page,
    Don't know if it will work with the cams how they are notch out compared to the baseball game, and the rpm of the motor?

    I'll keep you posted and I thank you for your hard effort to try to resolve my problem!
    And all the time taking the pictures and digging out the motor board out.

    I wished Joe Shope could have rang in he could of gave us some good information on the Motors
    E-119-232 compared to a E- 119-464 or what could have been compatibly?

    #30 3 years ago

    That should absolutely work. Make sure you keep us posted on the final resolution. Best of luck.

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    #31 3 years ago

    Here is the Score Motor I bought stator thickness ( metal plates) is not as thick. 9/16" compared to 12/16" or 6/8" from the original motor.
    My old Armature seems to fit the coil.
    Coil seems as large as the older one that's burnt out.

    Don't know if it will hold up in the baseball game.
    Looks like the seal on the original casing broke loose Compared to this one. Refer to post 5 pictures.

    Did not try it out yet, let me know if any thoughts on this?
    Thanks Bill

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    #32 3 years ago

    Looks like that should work. Hook it up and let us know.

    3 months later
    #33 2 years ago

    I got lucky Thanks to PBR Steve Young got some Parts in and fixed the motor.

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