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Bally kiss restoration


By amkoepfer

2 years ago



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    #1 2 years ago

    Ok, so i decided to document my restoration of a kiss machine. First off, it isnt mine. Im doing some side work for an amusement company and they asked me to do this. I have brought in 3 kiss machines, and a repro cleared playfield, so the plan is to do one high end restoration with the new playfield and i have pretty much as much freedom as i want to buy as many parts as i want, the next one will be a clean up, shop, get working, and make sure it will work for a long time. The third one is in pieces, the whole topside is torn down and everything is hanging underneath, the top of the playfield has white paint on it like they were going to paint it for an overlay (the sling area would need paint with the overlay they have) but without samding it first. So the plan on that one is pretty much put an overlay on it and get it running. At some point. I just started the full restore so that is what i will document first, and hopefully have my questions answered. I didnt take a bunch of pre pics of the cab or the playfield, i wasnt planning on documenting it, just got to work. The cab was in decent shape, but the art was faded and yellowed, so i fully stripped the cab, every part in it, sanded it down to bare wood, fixed any gouges or scratches with gold bondo or wood filler and sanded more, inside and out. What pics i have to follow. Stay tuned for a lot of pics and updates.

    #2 2 years ago

    First round of sanding

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    #3 2 years ago

    Even had the kids help

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    #4 2 years ago

    One pic is pre body work, the other 2 are of the finished sanding. Right now the cab has been sent out to another person for repainting

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    #5 2 years ago

    Pre teardown

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    #6 2 years ago

    Before and after pics. Evaporust for 24 hours, then ultrasonic cleaner

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    #7 2 years ago

    Ball return installed on the new playfield. This is an older repro, and it was kind of scary, as the top holes arent predrilled for the screws. The ball return coil bracket had holes drilled for the coil stop and linkage, but it didnt quite line up. It took some adjustments to make it actually work, but it all lines up now and should work great.

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    #8 2 years ago

    A lot of the switches are rusted very badly, and the standup targets and pops too. I bought all new pop assemblies, but if anyone knows them, i could use the bally part number for all of the normally open switches.

    #9 2 years ago

    If you make a rubbing with tracing paper of the old playfield, you should be able to transfer where all the holes are to the new playfield.

    #10 2 years ago

    i wish i would have thought of that! it wouldnt have helped for the ball return since the predrilled were slightly off, but it would have helped for the apron guides, i was going off of pics of the old playfield, and ended up getting it right, but it took awhile

    #11 2 years ago

    also, does anyone have a lead on where to buy lamp sockets? i need the longer ones and shorter ones, one tab with the ground on the mount. marco didnt have them that i could find

    #12 2 years ago
    Quoted from amkoepfer:

    also, does anyone have a lead on where to buy lamp sockets? i need the longer ones and shorter ones, one tab with the ground on the mount. marco didnt have them that i could find

    Pinball Life has the single lug sockets used for feature lamps:

    http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=992

    Everything else you should be able to find at Pinball Resource.

    #13 2 years ago
    Quoted from erichill:

    Pinball Life has the single lug sockets used for feature lamps:
    http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=992
    Everything else you should be able to find at Pinball Resource.

    thank you. you wouldnt happen to know a part number for them would you? i know pbr likes to have the part numbers

    #14 2 years ago

    This should help with part numbers:

    http://www.pbresource.com/sockets.html

    #15 2 years ago

    Thanks ken, just what i needed. For some reason i couldnt find that

    #16 2 years ago

    It's super cool that your child is helping out, but I hope you hosed all that lead paint dust off him before he took the respirator off.

    Tyvek suit, hood, lead rated respirator and gloves required during lead paint removal...

    -

    Otherwise, this is looking great!

    #17 2 years ago

    Ya, he got hosed down after that, and he only sanded areas that were already done. I wouldnt let him do the bad stuff.

    #18 2 years ago

    Slings and lane guides installed, next batch is being cleaned, ill try to take pics tomorrow.

    #19 2 years ago

    Drop target assembly, pop bumper coil brackets, and the big lamp bracket are cleaning now for install friday

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    #20 2 years ago

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    #21 2 years ago

    I'm selling my IPB playfield but a few more days of watching this restore I may just decide to keep it....

    #22 2 years ago

    hey thanks. i got some more done last night, im running out of parts and need to get my next order made.

    #23 2 years ago

    if you do decide tosell your playfield, pm me a price. ill pass it along to the guy im working for, he may be interested for one of the other 2 machines

    #24 2 years ago

    Screws for the last of the posts are cleaning up now. Ready to make the next order of bulb sockets, switches, and ground wire

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    #25 2 years ago

    Drop target assembly is on, all posts are on, still working on pop bumpers

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    #26 2 years ago

    Couple of things. You might want to consider the aftermarket KISS grid pcb available at Pinball Resource. It is a simple installation and makes it easy to replace any lamps in the future. Don't get too far before you hammer in your pop bumper bracket mounting screws or drill your inlane guide pilot holes. It is just personal preference, but I always get the hammering and drilling tasks done before too much stuff gets in the way.

    #27 2 years ago

    thanks for the advice. the mount screws are pre drilled, but i do need to get them in, inlane posts definately need to go in soon! i have the pcb for the kiss lights, but the guy im doing this for wanted original unfortunately

    #28 2 years ago

    Got my order from pbr today, should be able to move somewhat quickly now. Lane guides are installed except for one, and the wires below the flippers, these werent predrilled so i have to make sure they are exact before i drill in. Sanded the playfield rails and have the first coat of paint on them, they should be ready soon for install

    #29 2 years ago
    Quoted from amkoepfer:

    Got my order from pbr today,

    Holy Shit, I can order pinball parts from my beer distributor now! God I love this hobby

    Sorry Andy, I couldn't resist.

    BTW keep up the great work.

    #30 2 years ago

    Hey, it takes at least a 12 pack a night to keep up progress! Figure i bill it to my boss as (parts)!

    #31 2 years ago

    Topside is pretty much done, i got the nails in for the first pop bumper bracket, and the predrilled holes are off. If i bend that bracket to make it fit, does anyone know if this will affect the pop coil? Got the rollover wires on, and about half the lamp sockets, going pretty good now. Drop target assembly has to be repositioned, more problems with that. A lot of adjustments due to this playfield.

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    #32 2 years ago
    Quoted from amkoepfer:

    and the predrilled holes are off. If i bend that bracket to make it fit, does anyone know if this will affect the pop coil?

    If your referring to the bracket that holds the coil, This should have no effect on the pop. There is a degree of " wiggle room" for the ring to operate.

    #33 2 years ago

    Thanks. Ya, its crazy how far off some of the holes are. Im hoping the other brakets are fine

    #34 2 years ago

    today i did bulbs and ground wire. put the first pop braket in after bending it to fit, and i snapped a nail. luckily i have another, it just needs cleaned up. im doing the pops one at a time so i dont get messed up on how to put them back together. coming along

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    #35 2 years ago

    Great thread! Hopefully your paint guy isn't the same one that did this cabinet.

    Look at this on eBay ebay.com link

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    #36 2 years ago

    What, no gray paint on the underside of the playfield?

    #37 2 years ago
    Quoted from KenLayton:

    What, no gray paint on the underside of the playfield?

    Nope. No paint under the playfield. Is there a mechanical reason for it? (Hope not as its too late now)

    #38 2 years ago
    Quoted from amkoepfer:

    Nope. No paint under the playfield. Is there a mechanical reason for it? (Hope not as its too late now)

    Not a mechanical thing, a Bally thing. You said it's a re-pro but I wonder why they would not have done that.

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    #39 2 years ago

    Ya, kind of odd. But good to know there isnt a reason behind it

    #40 2 years ago

    Not sure of the reason for the gray paint in the original playfields. The reproductions done by IPB do not have that. Also the repop Kiss playfields have color added to the band members below the Kiss grid, they are black/white on the original.

    #41 2 years ago

    I always thought that the bottoms were painted so they would not suck up moisture

    #42 2 years ago

    i thought maybe to protect it from carbon dust or something

    #43 2 years ago
    Quoted from dasvis:

    I always thought that the bottoms were painted so they would not suck up moisture

    Same here. Plus the gray paint gives it a "finished" look. The original Bally Kiss playfields were gray painted underneath. All the other pinball manufacturers had been doing it since the 1940's. In my opinion, without the gray paint, the playfields look cheap and unfinished. Like the manufacturer didn't care.

    #44 2 years ago

    The paint would keep moisture from entering only from the backside, causing the playfield to cup towards the printed side.

    If the back and front of a playfield are BOTH painted, moisture enters both sides equally - thus the playfield stays straight.

    -1
    #45 2 years ago

    Yes, but it does have a lacquer on the back, that should stop the moisture right? But if they did lacquer why not do the grey?

    #46 2 years ago

    Lacquer works the same as the gray paint.

    It may have been easier to spray clear lacquer on the back because they probably sprayed the back of the inserts too.

    Gray on the back of the inserts would not look too good.....

    #47 2 years ago

    True. Thanks vid, clears it up for me

    #48 2 years ago

    How do u wire up the replacement board for the grid?

    #49 2 years ago

    The one that was on it when i started, (really wish he woulda kept it instead of going with the old one) it had the wires soldered right to the traces by each socket, and it had the ground soldered in 2 spots. I can snap a pic of it if youd like, the wires have already been cut off though

    #50 2 years ago

    Heres how the new style lamp board is wired, never cut the wires so its all hooked up

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