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bally display stuck digit a sign of dying plasma?

By creepykenny

2 years ago


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Post #8 Solution was bad resistor at R1. Posted by creepykenny (2 years ago)

Post #9 Explanation of why R1 failing open caused the issue. Posted by barakandl (2 years ago)


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#1 2 years ago

a most troublesome bally 6 digit display that has an issue with the one's digit being stuck on (none of the other digits will display and the one's digit is a bit abnormally bright as one would expect)
I replaced both Q1 & Q7 with new and have same result - one's digit still stuck on, checked the associated resistors and they are within spec/tolerance, so i changed the MPS42 and 2n5401 again, still no love same results

I pulled Q7 and the 5 other digits work just fine with the one's taken out of the picture

am i missing something here or is the display failing internally? am leaning towards a failing display

#2 2 years ago

Are you sure there is no solder bridge anywhere?
Maybe you switched the transistors?

If all the other digits are working fine without Q7, the display glass should be fine.
Replacing both transistors would do the trick (most of the time)....

If you move the display to another players position, does the problem go with the display or stays at the same players position?

#3 2 years ago

thanks, anything is possible at this juncture, but there are no solder bridges that I can find - will check again tho,

Q1 = MPS-A42, Q7 = 2N5401

swapped both twice with new yet issue remains (moving it to a different location yields same results)

repaired one of the other displays which had same issue and it now works like a champ with new a MPA42 & 2n5401 installed

re-installed Q7 and one's digit remains stuck and the only digit lit, strangely enough it alternates between 0 and 8 when in attract mode (decoder issue?), in test mode it shows the correct corresponding numerals (of course only in the ones place)

#4 2 years ago

wouldn't hurt to replace the MC14543 and add a socket at the same time.

#5 2 years ago

Stuck on digit brighter than the rest is almost always a bad level shifter transistor.

If you let it go too long it will burn out a resistor, 100k I think it is.

#6 2 years ago
Quoted from creepykenny:

thanks, anything is possible at this juncture, but there are no solder bridges that I can find - will check again tho,
Q1 = MPS-A42, Q7 = 2N5401
swapped both twice with new yet issue remains (moving it to a different location yields same results)
repaired one of the other displays which had same issue and it now works like a champ with new a MPA42 & 2n5401 installed
re-installed Q7 and one's digit remains stuck and the only digit lit, strangely enough it alternates between 0 and 8 when in attract mode (decoder issue?), in test mode it shows the correct corresponding numerals (of course only in the ones place)

As the defective transistor activates the ones digit all the time, all the info from the MC14543 decoder goes to the ones digit.
That explains why it is lit so brightly all the time.
When in attract mode various numbers should be displayed at the other positions, but the defective digit draws all the info.
That's why it seems to be altenating between 0 and 8.
In test mode it gets the correct same information for all digits, so you do not have "overlaping" information.
Thus it seems the MC14543 is working correctly in giving the correct information.

You can test the transistors with your digital multimeter in diode setting.
Easy to compare with the other transistors.

#7 2 years ago

this is true, testing transistors with multi meter using diode tests is easy, the results of new transistors match the existing transistors, unless I received counterfeit (mps-a42) parts these are all good - anything is possible - they could be labeled wrong i guess

will swap a 42 from one of the other digits and see if the locked-on digit moves, i am still leaning towards a defect in the display

we shall see tho

#8 2 years ago

great explanation as to why the stuck-on digit displayed all segments during attract mode - most excellent

swapped components with the 100's digit and 1's digit still stuck on - so its not the two transistors, will retest the resistors in the 1's circuit - the only thing left in the circuit

tested all resistors in the 1's circuit again and they all ohmed out within specs, and because I have them in abundance, I swapped R1 with new and that fixed the issue!
R1 had previously been replaced and it tested 102.2ohms (duh me so stupid - it actually measured 102.2K ohms) out of circuit so i incorrectly assumed it was OK but clearly it was not

so how did this resistor cause the problem?

#9 2 years ago

If R1 was open. Q7 base would be isolated from the level shifter and R2 would pull it up to high voltage. Same effect as a bad level shifter.

That is not a common failure.
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#10 2 years ago

and I failed to address one of the highest order truths ... "always suspect previous work"

doh, my fault, i should have known better, must be getting lazy

#11 2 years ago

Good find!

Just to be clear for future reference....
R1, R3, R5, R7, R9, R11 should be 100K ohm, not 102.2 ohm.

#12 2 years ago

ideally if your replacing the HV 100K ohm resistors, replace with 1/2 watt, not the original 1/4 watt.

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