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Bally Black Jack Aim Kickout

By zacaj

6 years ago


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#1 6 years ago

On my Black Jack, the kickout hits the pop bumper and bounces right back in, repeatedly. I tried slight adjustments, such as loosening the screws that hold the kickout mech in and then screwing them back in, or adjusting the angle of the playfield, but they had no effect at all. I thought about making new screwholes and remounting the mech, but the slot in the playfield doesn't have enough room to rotate the mech sufficiently for my new screw holes to not break into the old ones. Is there any way to change the aim of the kicker that I'm missing?

#2 6 years ago

Is the kickout arm deformed (mushroomed) or bent?

#3 6 years ago
Quoted from Chuck_Sherman:

Is the kickout arm deformed (mushroomed) or bent?

Looks straight and 'sharp'/square

#4 6 years ago

Try bending just the tip of that eject arm. You have slight wiggle room in the slot in the plastic cup. All it takes is a tiny angle that will alter the trajectory.

Also make sure the two "dorsal fins" are still there to align the ball properly.

#5 6 years ago

Also make sure the pop bumper is strong. If it hasn't been take apart and broken parts replaced, then check that.

#6 6 years ago

Fins still there.

Pop bumper is freshly rebuilt, DC, and tuned to a hair. If it wasn't so strong I probably wouldn't have this problem. It seems like that kickout is just aimed right at the pop though...

For bending the arm, which way should I bend it to get the ball to go in a more clockwise direction? (higher)

#7 6 years ago

Just had a thought...before you bend it, put a piece of heat shrink on it. Leave a bit of it (half inch or so) hanging off the tip and shrink it up. It will shrink and have a more shrunken 'tail' sticking out. Trim it off at 1/4 inch from the tip of the arm and test. Repeat this test trimming off 1/16" each time until you get the variance you're looking for. The idea is that the heat shrink will wear irregularly and feed the ball to the pop in slightly different spots as time goes.

If that doesn't help, bend the tip of the arm just *slightly* toward the flippers. This should theoretically feed the pop more toward the head resulting in the pop sending the ball north into randomland.

#8 6 years ago
Quoted from cody_chunn:

Just had a thought...before you bend it, put a piece of heat shrink on it. Leave a bit of it (half inch or so) hanging off the tip and shrink it up. It will shrink and have a more shrunken 'tail' sticking out. Trim it off at 1/4 inch from the tip of the arm and test. Repeat this test trimming off 1/16" each time until you get the variance you're looking for. The idea is that the heat shrink will wear irregularly and feed the ball to the pop in slightly different spots as time goes.
If that doesn't help, bend the tip of the arm just *slightly* toward the flippers. This should theoretically feed the pop more toward the head resulting in the pop sending the ball north into randomland.

I'm not sure if I ended up doing quite what you were describing, but it seems to have done the job...

It's not varied at all like you were describing but the heat shrink has made the kicker weaker, which sends the ball lower, which does make it not bounce back in...

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#9 6 years ago

Yeah, I've never done it, it just popped into my head as an alternative to bending the arm. Mine does that too, so I started just shaking the machine when the ball's about to be kicked out, making it wobble in the saucer which causes somewhat random kickouts. Very few repeats, but if the wife plays it gives out a few repeats.

#10 6 years ago
Quoted from cody_chunn:

Yeah, I've never done it, it just popped into my head as an alternative to bending the arm. Mine does that too, so I started just shaking the machine when the ball's about to be kicked out, making it wobble in the saucer which causes somewhat random kickouts. Very few repeats, but if the wife plays it gives out a few repeats.

Mine was so bad I could leave and take dinner out of the oven and it'd still be going when I got back

#11 6 years ago
Quoted from zacaj:

Mine was so bad I could leave and take dinner out of the oven and it'd still be going when I got back

That's half the fun daddios! But like Cody said, just shake and bake it a little if'n you don't like it... or you aren't ahead on the hand...

#12 6 years ago
Quoted from fireball2:

That's half the fun daddios! But like Cody said, just shake and bake it a little if'n you don't like it... or you aren't ahead on the hand...

One shot for an extra ball doesn't make very good competition... And if I shake it enough to disrupt it I tilt

#13 6 years ago
Quoted from zacaj:

but it seems to have done the job...

And lets face it...it looks really cool!

2 weeks later
#14 6 years ago

Was describing the days I spent trying to adjust the kickout exactly right to a non-pinball friend when, after a moment's look at the hole he said "why don't you just put a, uh, one way thing in front of it?" 20 minutes of searching through parts bins later, I have 'solved' the issue completely:

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