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Bally AS 2518-54 Power Module Rebuild


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6 years ago



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    #1 6 years ago

    Hello all,
    I'm rebuilding the Power Module for my game. Electronics is a new field for me so I hope to submit photos for critical analysis and feedback in order to improve my technique.

    My main concern is whether I have properly mounted BR1 and its accompanying heat sink.
    The old board uses the mounting plate as a heat sink. Trapping BR1 and BR2 between the mounting plate and the board seems to have caused over-heating of these parts.
    In the new install, I mounted BR1 to the top of the board. To make this happen, I simply put an offset bend in the "+" leg so it would reach its intended mounting position. I just want to make sure that when "flipping" the bridge to the top, that I oriented the device correctly.

    Any helpful feedback and critique is welcomed.
    Thanks for looking.

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    #3 6 years ago

    Thanks for the feedback MrBally.

    You state that "The Bally design offers many multiples of heat sinking vs. your idea."
    Can you point me towards one or even two of those ideas? I scrounged and scrounged but only found one really terrible looking remote mount modification. The bridge is removed from the board entirely and mounted remotely to the original heat sink with extended leads to accomplish this procedure.

    The reason I ask is because the parts all come from a rebuild kit purchased at Big Daddy Enterprises.
    The heat sink was included with the kit. I had no choice or control over the parts provided.

    I have access - walk-in, on the shelf - to a plethora of parts at a local electronics supply. Pretty much anything I could possibly want is readily available. I also have access to a machine shop for raw materials and bracket manufacture. If you could shoot me a pic or link to your favorite mod, I would be most grateful.
    Part numbers would be a real bonus if you can provide them.

    #9 6 years ago

    Wow.....This discussion became more confusing than I had imagined.

    MrBally and others,
    Thanks for confirming the electrical orientation of the device. I at least know that I understand the theory behind a bridge rectifier and can connect it correctly.

    Hellfire,
    Thanks for being the only person to supply more than anecdotal evidence.
    I am curious as to how you added a heat sink to the CR1- CR4 diodes. Looks like some very nice work in your photo.

    Given all of the varying advice, I just re-oriented the bridge back where it was under the board. Seems to have lasted 30 years that way. After doing some reading, I agree that the heat sink with which I was provided is way-too-small.

    While I'm really glad I asked before popping this back into my game, I'm afraid that I've come away from this discussion with more questions than I originally had in the first place. I'm especially disappointed to have bought a "complete rebuild kit" which contains incorrect/improper parts and was shorted on other parts. I now know to trust no internet retailer.

    Lesson learned:
    Grab the schematic for your specific game and build a parts list from that document.
    And all the contradictory advice led me to look and see how to properly calculate the necessary size of a heat sink:
    http://www.designworldonline.com/how-to-select-a-suitable-heat-sink/#_

    Time to go borrow a non-contact, IR thermometer and do some research.

    #11 6 years ago

    I re-worked the board with materials supplied for the project in the kit.

    Supplied were:
    (4) 1n4007 diodes
    (4) 1n5404 diodes - (will replace with 6A4, 6A when they arrive)
    (2) 200v 35A bridge rectifier -
    various male/female connector housings and pins - all seemingly correct so far............

    Both bridges are identical in dimension and spec.
    However I do see that when tightening them to the original heat sink they flex the board in the center even with the old heat spacer pad installed. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
    I will hit the electronics store when time allows.
    Next move is to get a length of suitable heat sink. Will remotely attach the heat sink (away from the board). Then, I will drill and tap the heat sink to support two remotely mounted rectifiers. Pin the board and install leads, connect to the remote rectifiers.

    #15 6 years ago

    Hellfire,
    I suspected you might have installed a 3rd bridge - cool idea.

    And thanks everyone for the advice to fix everything while I have the board out.
    Again, I reiterate, I bought a kit which proposes to provide all of the parts necessary to de-populate the Power Module and to re-populate with superior/upgraded parts. Said another way: All old parts were desoldered from the PCB and replaced with new. For the most part, this kit did exactly what it promised.........with an exception or two.
    In a game this old I think it's wiser to rebuild entire systems rather than to wait for problems. Since problems usually spawn more problems each PCB on this game is getting an overhaul.

    I have replaced all components on the Power Module:
    Diodes, Bridge rectifiers, MOV, Resistors, New fuse clips (high current and low current), new fuses, replaced all header pins male/female and their enclosures, re-pinned all connector pins male/female and their enclosures, every removable part was removed and replaced.

    I have some new bridge rectifiers on the way since I had already mounted BR2 in the original spot by the time I took the photo and the leads were already too short by the time I asked for advice. I'll track down some heat sink material and copy your idea of top-mounting.

    My current setup should last for the next couple of days until I can sit down and correct the issue. This machine sees about an hour of use per day on average in my home.
    Since we've gone this far with the thread, I will post my "fix" here for review and critique.

    Maybe this thread can help the next guy with his rebuild.

    #17 6 years ago

    OK so I was able to get by the surplus store and bought a few options in heat sinks.
    First photo shows all the options compared to the original rectifiers.

    Photo 2,3, and 4 demonstrate how the sinks will look (approximately) when mounted.

    For best heat dissipation, I'm liking the cube-shaped units.
    I understand that the other two will take some trimming and modification - drill/tap - mount rectifiers - mount to PCB

    Any opinions while I wait for the new rectifiers to arrive?
    The store has TONS of this material in stock. If I wanted to - I could remove the entire old Bally heat sink and replace with an aluminum unit complete with cooling fins. The choices were huge. There were some MONSTER sinks available and if I wanted to go completely insane with overkill, I could even mount a fan for extra air flow.

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    #18 6 years ago

    *double post*

    #19 6 years ago

    Looks like I managed to double-post somehow. Hmmm.

    Moderators please feel free to delete either of the previous posts.
    I'm not sure what happened.

    #21 6 years ago

    Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate the guidance.
    My preference was also the two cubic-style sinks. There is obviously more surface area with all of the individual "fingers" of material.

    I can't say thanks enough.

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