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Bally 6803 Settings Problem


By Dimperio620

66 days ago



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    #1 66 days ago

    I have been working on bringing a Bally Special Force pinball back from the dead. I have the game playing now but have one last obstacle. The button to get into the settings and that allows you to use the keypad isn't working. I have another Bally 6803 so I'm familiar with how this works and how to use the kep\ypad. I looked at the wiring and it looks good and I also replaced this button. I even cut the wires further back in the machine to verify that it wasn't the connector that all of the wires from the coin door use. My question is where do these two wires connect in the back box? Can I simply jimmy rig a switch out of the back box to access the setting menu. Has anyone done that? Does anyone have any other suggestions?

    #2 66 days ago

    Might not be even close, but on my Beat The Clock, a few buttons didn't work even after the keypad was changed and it was fixed (by someone else ) by some board work.
    Good luck...

    #3 66 days ago
    Quoted from Dimperio620:

    I have been working on bringing a Bally Special Force pinball back from the dead. I have the game playing now but have one last obstacle. The button to get into the settings and that allows you to use the keypad isn't working. I have another Bally 6803 so I'm familiar with how this works and how to use the kep\ypad. I looked at the wiring and it looks good and I also replaced this button. I even cut the wires further back in the machine to verify that it wasn't the connector that all of the wires from the coin door use. My question is where do these two wires connect in the back box? Can I simply jimmy rig a switch out of the back box to access the setting menu. Has anyone done that? Does anyone have any other suggestions?

    If you have the manual, you can see the keypad layout in the cabinet wiring diagram. I looked at the one on IPDB, but its too low of resolution to be of any use. Also, the self test switch is shown on page 4 of 7 for the 6803, but again, I can't read where its going.

    Check the wires for continuity from the keypad to backbock. You should be able to jumper the connection, but it looks like there is resistor in line with the switch.

    #4 66 days ago

    I did some reading and I think if I pull J4 connector from the CPU that I will probably be able to get into the settings. I'm betting that something on the J4 connector is preventing me from being able to go into the settings. I will try this tonight and hopefully do a factory reset on the settings, set it to free play and set the number of balls to three. I will report back tonight.

    #5 65 days ago

    I was pretty confident that pulling J4 was going to allow me to use the button inside the door to access the settings. I was wrong. I did some bulletproofing and installed new diodes and capacitors on all of my targets that spell the word bomb. I have no switch errors anymore when the machine starts. The machine now plays as it should and seems to be playing correctly. My last problem still is that I can't use the button to change the settings to free play and three balls. I'm still not sure if it is a wire thing or possibly something wrong with the board

    What would happen if I took this 6803 board and plugged it into another 6803 machine that I know the button works on? I basically just want to use the other machine to program the free play and 3 ball settings. What kind of problems would I have if I plugged the 6803 board with different game roms into another machine. I would disconnect j4. It sounds like a bad idea to me and that could possibly cause me some board problems. Anyone try this before?

    #6 65 days ago
    Quoted from Dimperio620:

    I was pretty confident that pulling J4 was going to allow me to use the button inside the door to access the settings. I was wrong. I did some bulletproofing and installed new diodes and capacitors on all of my targets that spell the word bomb. I have no switch errors anymore when the machine starts. The machine now plays as it should and seems to be playing correctly. My last problem still is that I can't use the button to change the settings to free play and three balls. I'm still not sure if it is a wire thing or possibly something wrong with the board
    What would happen if I took this 6803 board and plugged it into another 6803 machine that I know the button works on? I basically just want to use the other machine to program the free play and 3 ball settings. What kind of problems would I have if I plugged the 6803 board with different game roms into another machine. I would disconnect j4. It sounds like a bad idea to me and that could possibly cause me some board problems. Anyone try this before?

    I think you'll get switch errors doing this (and the solenoids wouldn't be the same addresses), which would prevent you from getting into test mode and/or confuse the MPU.

    Swap the roms, and you should be okay.

    But you should try to fix the problem, if you're willing. Have you tried just jumpering around the switch (maybe the switch doesn't work)?

    #7 65 days ago

    I replaced the switch with two different switches and still didn't work. I even inserted a switch past the coin door connector thinking that maybe the connector was the problem. I don't know where the wires for the coin door button go to in the head of the machine. What connector are they feeding into the cpu board on. I could at least test the wire from end to end. It would also help if knew that exact pins for this. The Special Force manuals online are too blury to read. Like I said the machine is working but would like to change those two settings.

    #8 65 days ago

    Okay, I looked at the manual for Strange Science (the game after Special Force), and the scans are much better.

    According to the manual, the self test switch is located at J3 1 on the mpu.

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    #9 65 days ago

    Thanks for information. I will look at that tonight.

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