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Bally -35 boot issues: LED locked on

By Brewchap

5 years ago


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#2 5 years ago
Quoted from Brewchap:

I have a pulled MPU -35 that I am wanting to repair. I have tried to work on this myself using pinwiki once before. I have replaced all sockets and have a set of new burned ROMs. The board has also be jumpered to use these new ROMS. Also to note that this board had no battery corrosion what so ever on it. But the LED still stay locked on. I have also tested the CPU and PIA chips to make sure that they are good with another board.
What I would like to do is start from scratch, but I'm not sure where to start.
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Take everything out except the roms, cpu, and led pia, then use a logic probe to check if all the inputs to the pia are functioning.
Could also be a bad clock for the cpu

#5 5 years ago

LED is on U11. Check everything on the left side. I would expect everything except the bottom 3 to have activity. (and maybe 37+38)

#8 5 years ago
Quoted from Brewchap:

U11 Gotcha. I have no activity at all on any pin.

Alright, back to the CPU checking activity. You should see movement on 3 and 37 from the clock (coming in from U15), or else the CPU won't run. If it's running you should see activity on the Address and Data lines

#12 5 years ago

Do you have any other working MPUs you could compare with? The clock signals are fragile enough that sometimes just reading them with a logic probe will mess them up, but usually it's fine. If the clock circuit isn't sending the proper signals into pins 3+37 of U9 then the CPU will never start. Probably U15 or U16 is bad, but they're both hard to come by

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#14 5 years ago

U15-8 should be the inverse of 9 and 10, so I think it's definitely part of your problem, unless something has shorted pin 8. Can also try reading pin 8 with the CPU removed to see if that changes anything.

#18 5 years ago
Quoted from Brewchap:

ok I changed U15 and now have pulsing on U15 pin 8 and on the CPU pin 3 and 37. Still have a solid LED light with all chips in.

OK cool. Now go back to checking the pia inputs

#22 5 years ago

So, CPU is now running and sending commands to the other chips, but the PIA isn't getting the specific command it needs to turn off the LED... Is this with just the ROMs, U11, and U9, or do you still have other chips installed? If not, I'd suspect the rom jumpering first of all (what rom types are you using?), otherwise something must be messing with the address/data lines..

#26 5 years ago

It looks like E13-15 aren't jumpered to begin with in your original picture? What's that one wire on the back?

#30 5 years ago

I guess you should check the pins on the other chips then. Roms should have activity on 1-11, 13-19, 22,22. Low on 12, high on 24.

CPU should on all the A and D lines, as well as 34 and 5

#35 5 years ago
Quoted from Brewchap:

You got 22 listed twice...

Oops. Should be 22, 23.

Quoted from Brewchap:

U6 tested correct while, U2 all tested correct but 18, which was low.

With your specific jumpering (E12 - GND) that's correct.

Quoted from Brewchap:

A0/9 High and low on

what do you mean by "high and low on"?

This seems weird. This pin on U9 should be connected directly to the D1 line on the roms (pin 10) and PIA (pin 32), both of which you said had activity. Do you have good continuity between all of them? Maybe a bad socket or trace somewhere...

#38 5 years ago
Quoted from Brewchap:

This has me confused. I have gone back to double check the readings and they are not pulsing anymore. The continuity is good as I have checked that over and over again.
I'll keep looking.

It should be pulsing at all 4 places. If it's not you might have a short somewhere or something. I even have one board with a problem like this where somewhere along the pcb the trace is actually cracked, so if you flex it it'll read different :/

#40 5 years ago
Quoted from Brewchap:

Which pin from U15 will the pulsing come from?

Not from U15. All the Data line should be pulsing pretty much constantly. Different chips drive it at different times.

#42 5 years ago
Quoted from Brewchap:

Oh crap! Could a memory chip have anything to do with it? Some have data lines. Well U1, 7, and 8 does....
I maybe off on my thinking, but what is the best way of tracking down the lack of pulsing?

Anything on the data line could cause it. Ram, rom, pia, etc. Or stray solder.

You could try taking out all the chips, and measuring resistance from each Data like to ground, see if this one has a different reading. If so, you'd know it's not one of the socketed chips.

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