First make sure the switch is clean and closing. Is the O Relay firing? That’s the ball return relay. Make sure those switches are gapped and closing correctly.

Is there a score motor switch on the path that fires the O relay. It sounds like it also could be that there’s a switch opening too soon, which is preventing O from firing and, in turn, preventing the coil from firing. The fact you can hold it in a little longer and then it fires could be that you’re holding it long enough for the motor switch to get to a closed position, but that it’s not able to with a normal pulse.

But don’t go chasing it. Make sure you’re looking at the schematic and know which switch to inspect. Don’t wanna start causing other problems by adjusting score motor switches that don’t need adjusting.

He’s asking if the score reels are resetting to zero correctly? If not, the score motor will continue spinning and the game won’t get to trying to kick out the ball yet. Are the reels at zero?

Wesley, if you open the back door of the game and look at the score reels, do you know how to take a score reel out of the head? If you look at the bottom of each score reel, on the left side, there’s a little white plastic tab that you gently push to the left and then it enables you to slide the reel towards you and out of the game. Then on the side of the real, sticking through the metal plate, there should be a little white plastic tab that is barely sticking out. If you slide that towards you it will manually move the real one step. You can do this on each of the four wheels to manually step them all to zero.

This won’t solve the problem of why the reels are not resetting, but it will enable you to simulate them all being at zero and see if the game will reset that way. You still need to figure out the bigger problem, which as stated above, is your main problem. Because the game will never work until the reels reset to zero on their own.

You can read about how to adjust score reel switches, if that ends up being the problem, on Clay’s website. Let us know if you don’t have the link to that and we can send it to you.

I should add, do not start messing with the score reel switches until you know what you’re doing. You’ll cause more problems. But just wanted to see if you could reset the reels to zero manually (You won’t mess anything up by trying this) because that may show you that there’s no problem elsewhere in the game, it’s possible it’s just the issue of getting the reels to reset.

If you do eventually need to adjust the score wheel switches, we can talk you through that.

A schematic would help. It’s hard to know unless we can see if there’s a switch on Q that’s in the path to O.

I just realized another pinsider posted that part of the schematic above. Basically, if you can find the make/break switch on the AX relay with the red wire, it looks like that would be the one in question.

Be sure to read the post in your other thread referencing the video showing how to adjust AX relay. Those switch gaps are small and are very sensitive to adjustment.

Keep in mind, it’s not certain the AX is the problem, just saying that if there’s a switch in question, that would be the logical on on THAT relay.

It seems odd that Q would be the problem since I don’t see Q in the path to O, above. As mentioned above, the reels resetting properly to zero is the first issue and trying to fix anything else is a waste of time because it’s “downstream” from the reels resetting. IF the reels are able to reset on their own to zero, and the ball still doesn’t kick out, then that “O” path is the next thing to diagnose.

Ok please slow down and look at this again, which was posted in the second thread you started on this game.

Let’s start with step one. When you turn the game on and press start, does the S relay pull in and stay energized? ONLY answer that question.
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