First make sure the switch is clean and closing. Is the O Relay firing? That’s the ball return relay. Make sure those switches are gapped and closing correctly.

unenergized, there probably both normally open and normally closed contacts on the relay

I would clean and gap them first

hole switch?

Is there a score motor switch on the path that fires the O relay. It sounds like it also could be that there’s a switch opening too soon, which is preventing O from firing and, in turn, preventing the coil from firing. The fact you can hold it in a little longer and then it fires could be that you’re holding it long enough for the motor switch to get to a closed position, but that it’s not able to with a normal pulse.

But don’t go chasing it. Make sure you’re looking at the schematic and know which switch to inspect. Don’t wanna start causing other problems by adjusting score motor switches that don’t need adjusting.

As suggested above, have you tested the ball return (hole) switch? Remove the ball, lift the playfield up, start a game and activate the ball return switch with your finger. Does it activate the ball kickout relay?
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When you start the game and then close the hole switch:

1) does the motor spin?
2) does the O relay activate?
3) did your targets and sequence bank reset?

How did you fix the bank reset? Did you ONLY clean and adjust some of the switches on the Q relay?

I'll post a schematic in a few mins... the AX relay is in the path, did one of your previous repairs involve AX?

One of your previous issues related to score reel reset ( https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/1976-volley#post-5479767 ), was this resolved? What fixed it?

Here's the path to activate the Ball Return Relay (O). This should be easily testable with a jumper wire. Note the AX make/break switch in the path.

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Wait... you never resolved the reset issue?

Is the motor spinning BEFORE you activate the outhole switch?

Is the motor spinning BEFORE you activate the outhole switch?

He’s asking if the score reels are resetting to zero correctly? If not, the score motor will continue spinning and the game won’t get to trying to kick out the ball yet. Are the reels at zero?

Do the reels first. Once they reset, see where you’re at?

The score reel reset is your MAIN problem, until that is corrected you will not have power to the O relay - a switch on AX (and, possibly other switches) are blocking it *by design*. I'll post the Volley reset sequence back in the original repair topic linked above. The machine executes these steps *in order*, progressively powering up and getting ready for gameplay.

Also, at this point, you may want to consider some local help, do you know any pinball enthusiasts and/or techs in your area?

Wesley, if you open the back door of the game and look at the score reels, do you know how to take a score reel out of the head? If you look at the bottom of each score reel, on the left side, there’s a little white plastic tab that you gently push to the left and then it enables you to slide the reel towards you and out of the game. Then on the side of the real, sticking through the metal plate, there should be a little white plastic tab that is barely sticking out. If you slide that towards you it will manually move the real one step. You can do this on each of the four wheels to manually step them all to zero.

This won’t solve the problem of why the reels are not resetting, but it will enable you to simulate them all being at zero and see if the game will reset that way. You still need to figure out the bigger problem, which as stated above, is your main problem. Because the game will never work until the reels reset to zero on their own.

You can read about how to adjust score reel switches, if that ends up being the problem, on Clay’s website. Let us know if you don’t have the link to that and we can send it to you.

I should add, do not start messing with the score reel switches until you know what you’re doing. You’ll cause more problems. But just wanted to see if you could reset the reels to zero manually (You won’t mess anything up by trying this) because that may show you that there’s no problem elsewhere in the game, it’s possible it’s just the issue of getting the reels to reset.

If you do eventually need to adjust the score wheel switches, we can talk you through that.

A schematic would help. It’s hard to know unless we can see if there’s a switch on Q that’s in the path to O.

I just realized another pinsider posted that part of the schematic above. Basically, if you can find the make/break switch on the AX relay with the red wire, it looks like that would be the one in question.

Be sure to read the post in your other thread referencing the video showing how to adjust AX relay. Those switch gaps are small and are very sensitive to adjustment.

Keep in mind, it’s not certain the AX is the problem, just saying that if there’s a switch in question, that would be the logical on on THAT relay.

It seems odd that Q would be the problem since I don’t see Q in the path to O, above. As mentioned above, the reels resetting properly to zero is the first issue and trying to fix anything else is a waste of time because it’s “downstream” from the reels resetting. IF the reels are able to reset on their own to zero, and the ball still doesn’t kick out, then that “O” path is the next thing to diagnose.

They can move freely and still have dirty or misaligned switches...switches are the bigger issue. I’ve picked up games with filthy reels that reset fine.

Clean the switch under the ball drain. I doubt that is the problem, but it’s a good start

What are the results of your work through of the start up routine provided earlier by DaMoib? That process is critical along with your findings of each stage to provide further objective assistance.

From a few of your statements above (motor turns briefly, score wheels reset when AX is activated by hand), sounds like the Start (S) Relay is not triggering AX.

When you press the start button, do AX and JX activate?

Maybe a video showing power up and what happens when you press start would help.

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