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ball won't eject on my volley


By wesley

88 days ago



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#1 88 days ago

Got my target reset bank to finally work thanks to DeMoib, now the
ball won't eject. Did I do something wrong? Could it be the Ball return relay?

#2 88 days ago

First make sure the switch is clean and closing. Is the O Relay firing? That’s the ball return relay. Make sure those switches are gapped and closing correctly.

#3 88 days ago

Goldenboy232, on the O relay, what position should the switches be in before I start a new game?

#4 88 days ago

unenergized, there probably both normally open and normally closed contacts on the relay

#5 88 days ago

Thanks pinhead52, will take a look.

#6 88 days ago

Here is what's happening. When I trigger the O relay, the ball eject coil won't fire. But if i "hold" the O relay in the ball eject coil will fire. Could one of the switches in the O relay be out of whack?

#7 88 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

Could one of the switches in the O relay be out of whack?

I would clean and gap them first

#8 88 days ago

Also, the O relay doesn't engage when I start a new game.

#9 88 days ago

hole switch?

#10 88 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

Here is what's happening. When I trigger the O relay, the ball eject coil won't fire. But if i "hold" the O relay in the ball eject coil will fire. Could one of the switches in the O relay be out of whack?

Is there a score motor switch on the path that fires the O relay. It sounds like it also could be that there’s a switch opening too soon, which is preventing O from firing and, in turn, preventing the coil from firing. The fact you can hold it in a little longer and then it fires could be that you’re holding it long enough for the motor switch to get to a closed position, but that it’s not able to with a normal pulse.

But don’t go chasing it. Make sure you’re looking at the schematic and know which switch to inspect. Don’t wanna start causing other problems by adjusting score motor switches that don’t need adjusting.

#11 88 days ago

As suggested above, have you tested the ball return (hole) switch? Remove the ball, lift the playfield up, start a game and activate the ball return switch with your finger. Does it activate the ball kickout relay?
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#12 88 days ago

I tried holding the kick out fingers together, it still won't activate the kick out coil. DaMoib, do you think I did something wrong with the switches on the bank reset relay. Since I got the bank to finally work, now the ball won't kick out.

#13 88 days ago

Also, thanks everyone. I will probably be back.

#14 88 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

I tried holding the kick out fingers together, it still won't activate the kick out coil. DaMoib, do you think I did something wrong with the switches on the bank reset relay. Since I got the bank to finally work, now the ball won't kick out.

When you start the game and then close the hole switch:

1) does the motor spin?
2) does the O relay activate?
3) did your targets and sequence bank reset?

How did you fix the bank reset? Did you ONLY clean and adjust some of the switches on the Q relay?

I'll post a schematic in a few mins... the AX relay is in the path, did one of your previous repairs involve AX?

#15 88 days ago

One of your previous issues related to score reel reset ( https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/1976-volley#post-5479767 ), was this resolved? What fixed it?

Here's the path to activate the Ball Return Relay (O). This should be easily testable with a jumper wire. Note the AX make/break switch in the path.

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#16 88 days ago

Motor spins....O relay does not activate....the targets resets and the bank does work now. Didn't touch the Ax relay. I did adjust some of the switches on the Q relay. That's why I'm a little concerned I messed with one of the switches on the Q relay.

#17 88 days ago

Also, no I didn't resolve the issue with the score reels. I wish I could.

#18 87 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

Also, no I didn't resolve the issue with the score reels. I wish I could.

Wait... you never resolved the reset issue?

Is the motor spinning BEFORE you activate the outhole switch?

#19 87 days ago

I keep testing, but no power is going to the O relay. When I activate it manually, then the ball eject coil works.

#20 87 days ago

Is the motor spinning BEFORE you activate the outhole switch?

#21 87 days ago

I resolved the main reset bank issue. When I hold the outhole switch together, then hit the start game button, the ball eject coil does not work.

#22 87 days ago

Only time the motor runs is when I press the start game button.

#23 87 days ago
Quoted from DaMoib:

Is the motor spinning BEFORE you activate the outhole switch?

He’s asking if the score reels are resetting to zero correctly? If not, the score motor will continue spinning and the game won’t get to trying to kick out the ball yet. Are the reels at zero?

#24 87 days ago

When I press the start game button, the O relay does not activate, therefore not firing the ball eject coil. Somehow no power is going to the O relay.

#25 87 days ago

No the score reels are still not resetting to zero. But the ball eject coil would still work.

#26 87 days ago

The ball eject coil is connected to the O relay (orange-black) but no power is going to O relay.

#27 87 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

No the score reels are still not resetting to zero. But the ball eject coil would still work.

Do the reels first. Once they reset, see where you’re at?

#28 87 days ago

That's one of my problems, I can't fix that yet. Don't know how. It almost has the same problem like the O relay. I have to press the Ax relay to reset the score reels.

#29 87 days ago

The problem is, since I got the reset bank to work, now the ball eject won't work. How can I get power to the O relay. When that works ball eject will work. Does the Q relay have anything to do with it. I did adjust the switches in it.

#30 87 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

That's one of my problems, I can't fix that yet. Don't know how. It almost has the same problem like the O relay. I have to press the Ax relay to reset the score reels.

The score reel reset is your MAIN problem, until that is corrected you will not have power to the O relay - a switch on AX (and, possibly other switches) are blocking it *by design*. I'll post the Volley reset sequence back in the original repair topic linked above. The machine executes these steps *in order*, progressively powering up and getting ready for gameplay.

Also, at this point, you may want to consider some local help, do you know any pinball enthusiasts and/or techs in your area?

#31 87 days ago

That's the problem in Canada, even here in the small province of Nova Scotia, pinball enthusiasts are very few and far between. I bought it listed as "electrical issues". Maybe I'll sell it listed as the same. This person must have tinkered too much with it.

#32 87 days ago

Wesley, if you open the back door of the game and look at the score reels, do you know how to take a score reel out of the head? If you look at the bottom of each score reel, on the left side, there’s a little white plastic tab that you gently push to the left and then it enables you to slide the reel towards you and out of the game. Then on the side of the real, sticking through the metal plate, there should be a little white plastic tab that is barely sticking out. If you slide that towards you it will manually move the real one step. You can do this on each of the four wheels to manually step them all to zero.

This won’t solve the problem of why the reels are not resetting, but it will enable you to simulate them all being at zero and see if the game will reset that way. You still need to figure out the bigger problem, which as stated above, is your main problem. Because the game will never work until the reels reset to zero on their own.

You can read about how to adjust score reel switches, if that ends up being the problem, on Clay’s website. Let us know if you don’t have the link to that and we can send it to you.

#33 87 days ago

I should add, do not start messing with the score reel switches until you know what you’re doing. You’ll cause more problems. But just wanted to see if you could reset the reels to zero manually (You won’t mess anything up by trying this) because that may show you that there’s no problem elsewhere in the game, it’s possible it’s just the issue of getting the reels to reset.

If you do eventually need to adjust the score wheel switches, we can talk you through that.

#34 87 days ago

Plus, I don't think the main issue is the score reels. The ball eject coil would always work until I adjusted the Q relay to get the bank reset to work, then it stopped working. I think that's why there is no power going to the O relay.

#35 87 days ago

A schematic would help. It’s hard to know unless we can see if there’s a switch on Q that’s in the path to O.

#36 87 days ago

Just read your last post. I had EM's before. Actually I had the reels out and moved the tabs to see if the wheels were sticking. They move very freely. But if I gently trigger the Ax relay, the reels will reset to zero.

#37 87 days ago

I have a schematic, but I don't know how to read it. Haven't watched the video yet on how to read schematics. But I think you're correct. There must be a switch that connects Q to O.

#38 87 days ago

I just realized another pinsider posted that part of the schematic above. Basically, if you can find the make/break switch on the AX relay with the red wire, it looks like that would be the one in question.

Be sure to read the post in your other thread referencing the video showing how to adjust AX relay. Those switch gaps are small and are very sensitive to adjustment.

#39 87 days ago

The red wire on the Ax relay...will give it a try. Will get back to all of you tonight. Have to go to work now. 8 hours at FedEx.

#40 87 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

The red wire on the Ax relay...will give it a try. Will get back to all of you tonight. Have to go to work now. 8 hours at FedEx.

Keep in mind, it’s not certain the AX is the problem, just saying that if there’s a switch in question, that would be the logical on on THAT relay.

It seems odd that Q would be the problem since I don’t see Q in the path to O, above. As mentioned above, the reels resetting properly to zero is the first issue and trying to fix anything else is a waste of time because it’s “downstream” from the reels resetting. IF the reels are able to reset on their own to zero, and the ball still doesn’t kick out, then that “O” path is the next thing to diagnose.

#41 87 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

Actually I had the reels out and moved

They can move freely and still have dirty or misaligned switches...switches are the bigger issue. I’ve picked up games with filthy reels that reset fine.

#42 87 days ago

Hi all. I still can't get power to the darn O relay. Also, I think maybe the score reels aren't resetting to zero is because the motor doesn't turn long enough. It seems the motor has to turn long enough to give time for the score reels to get to zero.

#43 86 days ago

Clean the switch under the ball drain. I doubt that is the problem, but it’s a good start

#44 86 days ago

What are the results of your work through of the start up routine provided earlier by DaMoib? That process is critical along with your findings of each stage to provide further objective assistance.

#45 86 days ago

From a few of your statements above (motor turns briefly, score wheels reset when AX is activated by hand), sounds like the Start (S) Relay is not triggering AX.

When you press the start button, do AX and JX activate?

#46 86 days ago

Maybe a video showing power up and what happens when you press start would help.

#47 86 days ago

Tough one DaMoib. Have to get the wife to hit the start button so I can see in the back of the cabinet. Will let you know.

#48 86 days ago

To all. Why am I not getting power to the O relay, which in turn triggers the ball eject coil ?

#49 86 days ago

That's it, I'm done with this piece of crap. Firewood next weekend. Thank to everyone who helped me.

#50 86 days ago
Quoted from wesley:

That's it, I'm done with this piece of crap. Firewood next weekend. Thank to everyone who helped me.

how much for the firewood ?

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