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Bad EM Youtube videos


By phil-lee

3 months ago



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    #1 3 months ago

    Yeah, I'm whining. I just tried to look at about a dozen of youtube videos of old EMs and couldn't take anymore. Bad lighting with a bad camera reminded me of a 30's horror flick, which was better. James Brown playing on a Western Theme machine where you couldn't hear the bells or chimes, who knows what it had. The "ratcheting hand" ones where the person tries to capture everything, up to the backglass,down to the play field, then up, then focus on the players face, might as well drink white liquor and ride a roller coaster. Or they don't show the game in play at all, just a kid home movie dressed in a cute outfit standing in front of a machine draining ball after ball.
    The absolute worst is the "one handed player" trying to play a game and film at the same time, don't even waste your time, its sdtm City making the game look bad.
    I also hate the "Talkers" who DONT EVEN PLAY THE THING. Or the guy with the glass off doing hand signals while hitting switches and slinging the ball around, sort of a silent movie TNT Presentation. Bad background music, too loud, doesn't fit the Theme, or smoky ballroom dance music that's annoying. I want to hear the machine, every buzz and click, not Desi Arnaz second album.

    Did I miss anything? Yeah, the "ball view angle" where you cant see anything but glare. The "Over the players shoulder" camera person distracted by everything and capturing little of the actual machine.

    Whew! Thanks for hearing me out. I will be filming my few machines and submitting them soon, can't be any worse then the mess on there now.

    The best videos? PAPA, of course.

    #2 3 months ago
    Quoted from phil-lee:

    The best videos? PAPA, of course.

    PAPA camera angle is as good as it gets. I also like the crisp sound of the pin being played with the glass off (but some of those have to be uncomfortable to play like that, like the Bally pins where the glass, frame, and built-in lockbar all come off together).

    #3 3 months ago

    You are right, "the crisp sound" is a great description. Use 3 microphones placed in strategic places run through a mixer, that will do it and its not difficult.

    #4 3 months ago

    To me the absolute worst is when they play music over the sounds of the machine or cut away just before the Collect Bonus. ‘London Pinball’ is my go-to for good videos on YouTube.

    #5 3 months ago

    So you're complaining about videos you're watching for free, but haven't filmed any yourself?

    Just trying to make sure I'm understanding where you're coming from.

    I would link you to some videos I've shot but I'm sure you've already seen some and decided they're sub-par.

    #6 3 months ago

    I love the show/collection walk-around videos, but 90% of the time they move too quickly and give me a headache.

    #7 3 months ago

    It's also frustrating when they tell you wrong info. I watched a video on Triple Strike and it told me that the eject hole count up number was a bonus multiplier. It is not. I was worried that something wasn't working correctly, but after looking through the schematics and the manual, it is clearly unrelated.

    #8 3 months ago
    Quoted from LyonsRonnie1:

    So you're complaining about videos you're watching for free, but haven't filmed any yourself?
    Just trying to make sure I'm understanding where you're coming from.
    I would link you to some videos I've shot but I'm sure you've already seen some and decided they're sub-par.

    Still doesn’t mean that some videos on there don’t suck. Maybe it’s just an observation.

    #9 3 months ago
    Quoted from LyonsRonnie1:

    So you're complaining about videos you're watching for free, but haven't filmed any yourself?
    Just trying to make sure I'm understanding where you're coming from.
    I would link you to some videos I've shot but I'm sure you've already seen some and decided they're sub-par.

    Cracks me up when people get their feathers up whenever someone states an opinion. Kind of what makes life interesting, being able to pick and choose things you like and things you don’t.

    #10 3 months ago

    Just a rant. The bad ones helped me identify things to avoid when I do make a few. Briefly;
    1. No music, period.
    2. Use an overhead angle, a view of the backbox is optional, even if it has cute monkeys on it.
    3. Record the sound of the machine clearly.
    4. 3 ball game is preferable to me to keep it brief.
    5. If it is a rare game keep the Tour brief and don't try to explain everything (leave that to Todd Tuckey)
    6. Do a few test runs to get the light right.
    7 Resist the urge to incorporate cute kids, wives, dogs or your new Vette into it. If you do, label it accurately " Boston Terrier plays pinball".
    These rules are for me, by the way, not anyone else. Do what you want to do and the rest of us will wade through it.

    #11 3 months ago

    Here's an example video, except I broke rules 1&2. Otherwise EM gameplay is rather boring to watch unless it's PAPA finals!

    #12 3 months ago

    Man, that's the way you do it! The narrator has "That Voice" for the Era of this pin, if I find out its AI gonna cry. The video makes me want to own this pin, basically shopping while looking at various EMs, success.I didn't know Harbour Lights had the lateral ball shooters just like Merry Widow, these are frisky.
    Thanks for the lesson. Can anybody outdo this? I doubt it, but they may equal it....
    More EM videos!

    #13 3 months ago

    As a side note, 90 percent of the time I search and view EM videos, PAPA included. The other 10 percent would be rare early-mid era SS.

    I guess my frustration stems from the lack of variety for some of the older ones, many times there's only one example, which I should be thankful exists at all.

    #14 3 months ago

    There's more videos but they're not free:

    https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/randyelwin3

    #16 3 months ago

    My favorite EM youtube video..

    My buddie Sam Harvey, he has taught me most everything i know about pinball.

    #17 3 months ago
    Quoted from pinwiztom:

    My favorite EM youtube video.. My buddie Sam Harvey, he has taught me most everything i know about pinball.

    He has a classy shooter reflex action and very polite reaction to drains-'thank you'! My reaction is generally unprintable.

    #18 3 months ago
    Quoted from phil-lee:

    The absolute worst is the "one handed player" trying to play a game and film at the same time, don't even waste your time, its sdtm City making the game look bad.
    I also hate the "Talkers" who DONT EVEN PLAY THE THING. Or the guy with the glass off doing hand signals while hitting switches and slinging the ball around, sort of a silent movie TNT Presentation. Bad background music, too loud, doesn't fit the Theme, or smoky ballroom dance music that's annoying. I want to hear the machine, every buzz and click, not Desi Arnaz second album.
    .
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    Did I miss anything? Yeah, the "ball view angle" where you cant see anything but glare. The "Over the players shoulder" camera person distracted by everything and capturing little of the actual machine.

    Man, you speak my sentiments exactly. You did miss a couple, though.

    You missed the photographer who is trying to act like he is a video game trying to come in at mouse level and follow the ball around the table. Down low and up close.

    And the one moves the camera up to the score reel/ display so you get to see the points roll up but you don't get to see how the ball is moving to get those points.

    I agree. The one handed player is the worst. And right behind is the kid with dad as movie maker turning it into the equivalent of a pinball home movie.

    It is only very rarely that I can watch TNT telling me this or that about a pin.

    I have been lucky that every pin I was shopping for had a decent video that I could watch before I went on the chase.

    #19 3 months ago
    Quoted from LyonsRonnie1:

    So you're complaining about videos you're watching for free, but haven't filmed any yourself?
    Just trying to make sure I'm understanding where you're coming from.
    I would link you to some videos I've shot but I'm sure you've already seen some and decided they're sub-par.

    You can put me in the same camp as the OP. I have not put up any videos yet because I don't have all of the equipment at this time. And I don't want to torture anybody with a crappy vid.

    I know what I like to watch and figure most everybody else is the same. I don't care if the video is shot from the side of the pin as if I were a spectator standing at the side. The PAPA vids are cream of the crop with a fixed camera and good lighting. My preference is for the camera to be in the player's position but that is hard to do, so the spectator standing at the side works well.

    I appreciate anybody who has taken the effort to upload a pin vid. But those one-handed, no-tripod vids, or the ones where you trying to make a movies star of your kid are a waste of my time and I feel like I have been click baited.

    If your videos are fixed camera with decent lighting then link them. You don't have to be a great player. You just have to make the pin the star of the show.

    #20 3 months ago

    I read this thread thinking I'd find a link to one of my vids. Lol.

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