What are you talking about?

It’s a podcast.

So what happened to the colorblind Robotron of two posts ago who gets along with everybody and is totally above concerns about peoples' races, genders, and sexuality?

Get that guy back here please, he seems a lot cooler.

You just summed up his entire body of work here.

It doesn’t work. The same people continue to dazzle us with the same garbage thread after thread, and continue to get moderated or ejected thread after thread, and the cycle repeats over and over. They can’t wait to pounce at the slightest provocation to let us know how much of struggle their white life has been, how all lives matter, how some people “just love to be offended...” etc etc.

I’ve had the same guy tell me publicly to “go loot with your black friends” and “there should be a tv show where you drive a truck into black protestors” in the past few weeks right here on pinside. Guy was not banned, and he’ll just be posting the same stuff in another thread like this any day now. Shocked he hasn’t shown up here yet.

I wonder where this comes from, why people think they need to do this here. My best guess is these Archie bunkers’ families are just tired of hearing these dull played out rants, so are their friends (if they have any) and this place serves as some kind of racist relief valve. It really doesn’t add anything here, there are like 3 “arguments” against progressive action in pinball and we’ve all heard them a million times.

Yes, we know you’ve never seen racism in pinball and you are are tired of people being offended. That’s great for you but there’s a whole world out there.

Yeah I walk down the middle of the street all day.

It’s getting tough with the slowly increasing traffic but you gotta do what you gotta do.

I’ll admit i called you unpatriotic when you suggested repealing the first amendment to arrest journalists you don’t like but I didn’t think that was so outrageous to say.

It’s ok, you got back at me by wasting the marines’ time and money. They guy who called me sounded pretty
Pissed off when I told him was 45 and I didn’t think I’d make such a great recruit

For me, I just wish people wouldn’t be so defensive. “Diversity” isn’t trying to take anything from you, or persecute you, or affect your lives at all. At the bare minimum, all you have to do is nothing and allow people to be more comfortable around you. What’s easier than doing nothing?

I’m down baby!

It’s one big happy hobby. Would be great really if that could happen.

There are no statues of nazis in Germany, yet they all know about what happened there. The books still tell you.

How is that possible?!

As long as you don’t plan on bringing any statues - or arguing About them - at pinball events, it shouldn’t be a problem.

I think that’s part of being welcoming. Sometimes you might have to bite your tongue now and then on an opinion or even a response. I’ve done it for sure.

Don’t fight with people. Don’t make them feel like they shouldn’t be comfortable or someone doesn’t want them there, wherever you are playing pinball. If someone is obviously flaming gay, don’t snicker or say anything stupid. If a woman shows up, don’t talk down to her or comment on her bod. It’s really easy.

It’s back to my point - you don’t need to be “an ally.” You don’t have to put a BLM or rainbow flag bumper sticker on the 4X4. The bare minimum, the bar here, is just don’t do anything!

Just be cool! And If you want to do more, the. that’s great too.

Since Apparently most Americans can’t understand or learn about history Unless there’s a statue educating them about something, it seems like a pretty good solution; erect statues for African Americans who were either victimized by or helped combat racism.

Do this in every American city and town, just like how there are monuments to confederate generals in every southern city and town. Then maybe we’ll get somewhere.

Even in NYC this needs to happen. There are a tiny handful of statues in this town - among hundreds - representing anybody besides a white male.

Ha! Never heard of him before. I guess statues really are effective educational tools!

Good boy!

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I have never, not once in my life, been stopped just waking down the sidewalk for “looking suspicious.”

That’s a “privilege” poor Elijah McClain was not afforded. So now this 130 pound black kid - who used to play violin concerts for animals at the pound - is dead. He was only 23, half as old as me. I’ve managed to managed to make it to 45 without this happening to me. I wonder why.

I really don’t understand how people can ignore this problem when it’s so ridiculously obvious. Nobody should be killed for the crime of walking home. Nobody should be accused of “suspicious activity” and executed in public like this for the crime of picking up some Doritos.

https://www.vox.com/2020/6/27/21304910/elijah-mcclain-george-floyd-black-lives-matter-protest-killing

It really does seem like we just need to blow up law enforcement in this country and start over. The cops - killing black kids people with abandon, barreling over harmless 75-year old protesters and cracking their skulls - They just seem like an army of poorly trained, militarized, violent goons.

The kindly Andy Griffith archetype has given way to an ugly, gestapo-like thug who has no understanding of use of force, when it should be used, and who it should be applied to. And it’s playing out on TV every night now, both fresh abuses and obscene crimes of the recent past that had been swept under the rug and are now getting a fresh look.

It seems plain as day to me. I can’t imagine how anybody wouldn’t be demanding change at this point.

And no that’s not a discussion we need to have at pinball events, but it’s one we are having here.

Lol. Another YouTube link racist.

I ain’t clicking on that garbage.

Correct.

It’s always the narrative because that’s always what the cops say. You know, like how that 75-year old “tripped” and cracked his skull open. Oh it was all on camera? Oops.

It’s pretty clear at this point we can’t believe anything the cops say.

And two giant cops restraining a 130 pound scrawny black kid felt that “their lives were in danger?”

Gimme a break. The cops are out of control. It seems that whenever they interact with black people they suddenly feel their lives are in danger.

Law enforcement in the US is a hot mess and needs to be completely rethought.

Hold on I’ll find some random YouTube links to post I’m sure that’ll change your mind.

You completely miss the point.

I wouldn’t. There’s no if.

I’ve gone well over half my life without getting stopped and harassed for no reason by the cops, and I’ll probably make it all the way to the finish line without a potentially deadly interaction like that happening to me for absolutely zero reason.

Some people are not lucky enough to have that “privilege.” Talk about deflection- you are deflecting and refusing to acknowledge this reality.

I’ll be honest.

Nothing can change my perspective on this.

Not even random racist YouTube links.

You don’t seem to be any more open minded about this than I am. It’s dishonest to call me dishonest when your mind is also clearly made up.

I appreciate you giving me some credit on my pinball-related opinions though. I mean that’s why we are all here right?

But it’s on YouTube!

It’s a pretty erotic circle jerk of hate over there

It’s weird because it’s not something that would ever happen. It’s a “hypothetical” dreamed up at the “Hypothetical Racist / Sexist / Homophobic Institute of Bullshit.” Apparently they are still open for online classes this semester.

It had no bearing on real life and Impedes progress of our society, like “A cross dresser is going into the girls bathroom to molest children!” and “when gays can marry, Is marrying dogs next?!”

If you can’t see why dreamed up “falling down” scenarios like this are silly, you are silly. And not in a “ha ha” kind of way.

You clearly have no idea what hypothetical means. You used a ridiculous scenario that would never happen in a million years to demand that gays don’t “push their agenda” on you. Because you actually believe gay people are harassing pinball players across the globe in pinball locations by insisting pinball get gayer while manly straight guys are just minding their own business playing pinball.

So either you don’t know what hypothetical means, or you are having conversations with people that don’t exist. That’s why it’s “weird.”

Here’s a much more realistic scenario that might actually happen on planet earth, and is also actually relevant to this discussion:

Gay guy: hi fellas, can I get in on the next game?

Manly straight dudes playing pinball: sure next game!

Gay: thanks !

Straight: no problem! Just as soon as I’m done kicking this gay Homo’s ass! He plays like a girl!

Straight 2: shut up queer! Hahahah!

Gay guy to himself: ok I guess pinball isn’t a hobby for me. I’ll go back to the bar.

So that’s kind of the point of all this. With minor changes pinball could be a lot more welcoming to a lot more people. It’s not about “pushing an agenda” or making middle aged white guys less comfortable in the pinball hobby.

Right. But you latched on to that scenario as a reason to proclaim and complain that gays are pushing their agenda on you. So....what’s the difference?

I don’t find it funny at all. It’s sad.

You know what they say about “straight” guys who are worried all gay guys are after them, right?

Google it.

Whatever you say, Mary

It’s a “double standard” that you just made up and doesn’t actually exist in real life.

You aren’t going to get your ass kicked for saying hi to somebody at a pinball machine, whether or not he’s some guy’s boyfriend. Where do people Come up with this shit? I’m starting to think this whole thread is on meth.