Yeah and that fact that different games have the entrance to the loop shot drilled in different places is scary

This worries me a bit IF one hasn't been modified. Possibly one was drilled a little further back by the owner and you can't see the original hole under the tab.

I'm just hoping both of these didn't come from the factory drilled this differently. Wish we knew who the owner was in the pic that Whysnow used. Might clear this up.

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If this is the pic that everyone is having a cow over for some reason, to me it looks exactly like the original spooky hole is hidden beneath the bracket. This doesn't seem to be showing the original screw hole, or position. You can even see marks on the playfield through the uncovered slot, not white clean wood. Like where the toe of the flange used to be clamped against the playfield, at original assembly. The old screw hole would be just out of visibility.

That's just what I see compared to all the other stock photos. Most all others are in a very consisten position from what I see. I'm just looking at this picture of kinda unknown origins.

That’s your hypothesis. We don’t actually know that there is an original hole there or if these are two different original placements of the screw.

No one is having a cow, we’re asking questions and trying to just understand more.

It's not the help that's bad, it's the bickering back and forth between who's right, who's wrong, who should make adjustments, and who shouldnt. I've largely skimmed through the last 100 post and why I haven't been participating as much. I WANT other owners to share their adjustments, so that I can pick and choose what I do to my game to make it shoot better, intent or not. And I WANT to be able to share my adjustments and not worry about being chastised for it.

The game is now more enjoyable for me now that the loop is adjusted. Prior to that, the loop had a very low success rate. I chalked it up to, "welp, that's how it was meant to be." But now that I can make successful loops, it took that frustration away, now that I know everything shoots as it should and it is FUN!

With that said, the bickering should be taken to another thread, not the adjustments. Spooky will choose to do what they feel is right. They have the information in this thread. Owner's, once they receive their game, can choose to make whatever adjustments they need to make. The game now plays as it should in my eyes.

I was asked what I thought, that's all. What I think, is that it is a picture of a game that has had a screw moved already. That's it. Maybe I'm wrong. Just the observation that was asked for.

People actually are "having a cow" . Assuming, that spooky can't get consistency of better than half inch?.

Or do some people think they were just trying random layout variations/positions? ... after prototype? ... in production? Really?

... and when there is clear evidence that the upper orbit can already be easy enough made 6 times in a row Without making any new screw holes, hmmmm, this layout "redesign" is completely un-necesary. ie, proves to be basicaly achieving nothing additional than what removing screws and minor bending achieves anyway.... pointless.

I digress ...

More likely, the screw in an unexplained spot is just some confused pinsiders, making poorly informed assumptions, about random pictures... whilst making mountains out of molehills. Lol

Troz’s videos are outstanding. The resulting setup is how I want my game to play, it shoots effortlessly. The game plays smooth and fast and has Way more flow than I realized. While he is a top notch player, I really enjoy his commentary during play. He “calls” his shots beforehand and then explains what went right or wrong with the results. IEPinball has become my goto R&M streamer and I have enjoyed watching the code unfold. This is an incredible game that feels very complete.

Thank you for clearing that up!

A few sceptical pinsiders might now be able to find confidence that Spooky can actually provide consistently positioned screws.

Completely agree. Not sure I ever seen game play vids from him in the past but he really offers a good tutorial while showing some rather skillful play. Learned a lot about the rules that last session. Do hope Karl will continue as code updates progress.

Looks like your hypotheses was correct. Well done.

It was evidence based

I'm inspired to go hack up my Getaway to make that pesky upper loop a bit easier!

I also want to clarify that I only post details on these adjustments I've made to try and help others. Could be pinsiders, operators, potential buyers, Spooky themselves, whoever. Pinball machines are complicated beasts and it's impossible to get everything perfect right out of the shoot. People sharing information on problems, tweaks, adjustments, etc are always a good thing. Thsts one if the main reasons I'm on pinside.

A perfect example I just saw in the Elvira club thread. Someone had to drill some new holes to tweak the location of a mech that wasn't working that great.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/elvira-s-house-of-horrors-the-owner-s-club/page/57#post-5614834

So even the big boys who have been building machines for decades still have some issues.

Couple of thoughts unrelated to ball guides and hole drilling, I didn't really understand how megaseeds factored into the rules and structure of the game until I started playing it but I think it's one of the best parts of the rules by far. The modes are great but even the best mode can start to get repetitive over time. Collecting megaseeds is so damn addicting though. It also makes going to different dimensions more than just a novelty and adds so much to the replay-ability factor. I am also really digging how the antigravity gun isn't just a gimmie ball save like other "magna" save type setups. At first it was a little frustrating because you're used to just enabling a magna save and it saving the ball everytime. That is definitely not the case with this one but it adds a whole other layer of skill.

Agreed. Been playing lately with a primary focus on just collecting seeds. Still working on better use of the magnasave but I am starting to get the hang of it. Do love that it’s not just a grab magnet. Well setup.

Not to derail, but Karl's work on Pirates is astounding too.

I can't wait till these Rick and Morty vids hit YouTube!

If you have a device like an android box or a smart tv, just go to twitch app and watch them.

I watched this after the fact on my big assed tv on my Nvidia Shield. great streams

just curious, what's your getaway loop record?

mine is 6 loops and I can honestly say I repeat the loop 2/3 times a lot or with no problem. When its more it always amazes me and feels so great/rewarding because of the speed!

For me, it's more when I'm at work with downtime. The Twitch app kinda blows to scroll through via finger, YouTube is significantly easier. I really wish they'd update the app with a more functional GUI.

I wanted to watch them at home, and fucked around with other dumb stuff, rather than fucking around with the right stuff, haha!

Thanks for the suggestion, and long live the Shield!

If you check the ACNC, the guides require adjustment on some games and some games they don’t. I don’t recall people getting so angry about it though.

Who’s angry here though? No one is getting emotional. Seems like discussion and friendly debate.

Ok, older guy question. Do you have to subscribe to the show to know when new content is up or is it just shared via post? Not familiar with Twitch.

Games with fast loops (Getaway, Shadow) are always different.

Some Getaways, you can loop all day, some, like my one, good luck getting more than 2-3. Dunno why, they’re all set up a little different. Ball feed to the flipper is a big thing too.

The Shadow is the same. I think loop champ on mine is 5 or 6? I played one a while back and couldn’t get any - and another one where I got 10 loops going in the first game.

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If you have an account and hit "Follow" you can have it send notifications to your phone or email when a stream goes live. Subscribing has its own benefits but that is not one of them.

Thanks, didn’t know that. Tried signing up for twitch before and the amount of spam email was off the chart. Will give it another try thanks.

About the same for me!. I had 5 loops but that was beaten some time ago by my mate, it's been 7 for ages! ... and, Exactly! . Challenge, satisfaction when you Do get it within the tight window. Especially when it's for a jackpot. However, get the shot a bit too far off and, although it is well within the opening, it rattles and fails.

It's the same with RaM. If you hit that HS2 upper guide rail in the wrong spot it simply fails. Interesting that loose screws makes HS2 shot more makable as well

If you hit Ram in the wrong spot, of course it will fail too. This is the point. It is the style of opening that the shot has. A shot that looks Super Wide, but really is not. Still easily makable, and repeatable in standard form by removing 2 screws.... just, you aren't supposed to be going to nail that sucker as a given. Same as HS2. The target is not clear, and needs to be learned. Watch a new player try to shoot HS2 upper orbit. It only happens by accident in the first instances.

The satisfaction we are speaking of, rewarding feeling of making the TOUGH shot.... for Most pinball players it would no longer exist, because now we can do it with no eyes like tommy! Lol

It isn't "railgate" either is it, it's more appropriately described as "hackgate" .... since there is nothing that much at all wrong with the rail positions, realistically. From observation. Just people going to extremes to make a game suit themselves. Which is fine (for them).

*to clarify, It Was a Sarcastic comment about hacking the crap out of my getaway, I prefer shots that are intended to be a bit tough in a game, to remain a chalkenge, and remain satisfying for me when I complete them. Just in case anyone Assumed I was maybe Complaining about HS2 layout, I'm not, I love its challenges.

You certainly have all the answers.

... that sounds a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. I'm not actually hacking up a game to make it "right" or "how it should be". Lol

I'm just pointing out what is in my opinion the complete nonsense of it all.

You don't have to concur. You can still do as you wish, of course, as long as every other buyer does not have to recieve a cakewalk game, just to suit what might seem to be a minority "preference".

Maybe the game hack information/posts would be more appropriate in the general RaM thread?

Quoted from TigerLaw:
The first production game has been delivered. Club thread now opened. Abide by club thread rules, keep drama in the hype thread and out of this thread. Stay upbeat and positive. Thanks

Just ignor it and Eventually he will find some other crusade. Lol. On that, have you tilted the game Yet?? Funniest tilt in all of pinball!

I have not. I’m downloading the new code as we speak.

I tried checking spookys website and it seems to be down. I check it everyday for new code.

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The site is fine; their HTTPS certificate just expired. Click thru the warnings to see the site. I expect the cert will get renewed ASAP once they figure it out.

Lol on those back to back posts.

I was just about to say that looks like an expired cert. No big deal.

That means Not bagging and hacking a game, preaching it's no good out of the box, making radical unnecesary mods and pretending they are going to be essentially needed to make the game "good". That is Rubbish.

Just now catching up here...

The very first shot on the very first R&M stream was a brick to that upper loop. Something was clearly amiss, and I'm glad solutions have been found early. I expect games manufactured from here on out will shoot properly out of the box. If not, I'll adjust it myself. No biggie. Although it wouldn't hurt if Spooky moved that middle loop switch cutout a bit to the left.

Quoted from TigerLaw:
The first production game has been delivered. Club thread now opened. Abide by club thread rules, keep drama in the hype thread and out of this thread. Stay upbeat and positive. Thanks

You say that as if I'm the only person that enjoys a challenge... Lol

You're right... time to -Ignore-

I've said my bit. I'm sure others may have thought about it too, except they're probably smarter than me, and know not to get into debates about academic issues, discussing nonsense, with some whom proclaim to know no better than The Design(er), or science.

Okay then. Carry on

All good. Dam Awesome game no matter how you set it up. Need to watch a few more vids to better understand the multiplier.

Good meeseeks X is 1+ total number of active meeseeks (good or bad, as long as the one on the shot is good).

Bad meeseeks / is 1+ total bad meeseeks.

Examples:
2 good active, shot is 3x
1 bad, 2 good active, shot with good is 4x, shot with bad is divided by 2
2 bad active, shot is divided by 3

Multipliers re-adjust after each shot with a small lag.

The light display above the flippers should always show you current values of both, but the good indication has some errors in the current release and may not always be accurate.

Thanks Eric!! Ok I am a bit slow on the good vs bad Meeseeks? I think that is what was tripping me up if anyone knows.

So it seems that All meeseeks contribute to the Multiplier value, but only Bad meeseeks contribute to the Divisor value.

The multiplier/divisor is for only the shot that the meeseek is on.

Don't let all 3 go bad! .... that jackpot might get divided by 4

Yes, this is smart because it adequately incentivizes the risk vs reward. The good Meeseeks maintain and build their value, as long as you don’t wait too long.

It would be frustrating to get 3 meeseeks, have two go bad and the remaining good one only be worth 2x. Why even bother? With the way it’s been implemented, this remaining good meeseeks will still give you that 4x value.

Are there any ways of reallocating the meeseeks placement to put the good meeseeks on the highest value shot? Like a mystery award? Or if you continue to hit the meeseeks box target after you’ve maxed out the number on the playfield (3 meeseeks is max during regular play right?)

So it appears the strategy would be, if you have mixed meeseeks, to shoot the good first as the salty meeseeks still builds to the multiplier. Then collect salty meeseeks once happy meeseeks are collected. Collecting salty meeseeks or drain seems to be the only way to get rid of them. Or .... hit another meseeks box and use the salty sod to boost the new good meeseeks?

There is not currently any way to move a meeseeks once it exits; but the game does a lot to try to put them in the most valuable spot at the time they are summoned.

Hey EP. You good? You've been thrown a fuckton of questions and basically answered every single one not only like a boss but also ridiculously fast.

Let me throw one more at you again. You good? Life okay? Anything us loyal and appreciative fans can send your way that you may be in short supply of currently?

Appreciate everything and I know the rest of us do as well. Hope all is gravy and that youd let us know if you were missing anything we could help with during these times

To clarify the good vs bad - they all start good. After a set amount of time, if you haven’t collected them, they ‘go bad’ (like in the episode) and their light turns purple.

That’s what I was missing the light changes. Thought that’s what it was. You are the best. Need to practice much more. Thanks!!!