Probably they will copy other subscription models.

Free initially.

Then low cost monthly.

Once user base established, jack up the prices for new ongoing revenue stream!

Just push and hold start button after the first ball is done will restart you too.

They have it in writing that the scorebit is free for life .
I guess we'll just have to wait and see .

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Yes, but doesn't work except on a one player game

Not sure if I'm misunderstanding here. Holding down the start button on my DI restarts the game regardless of how many players, provided its enabled in the menu and ball 1 is complete.

Where does it say free for life in your image posted?

Cool, that works. I wasn't sure how JJP works. Stern has a second option to hold the left flipper button and start button down and that brings you back to attract mode with no game started. That's good for operators or at shows when someone starts a four-player game and walks away.

Oh, I was talking about Stern's online gaming system.

Guessing/speculating.

There is no way in hell I'm ever paying extra for online leaderboards and trophies. Zero chance. I'm not buying multiple thousand dollar games to give a single hoot what anyone else is doing with their games...you could go so far as to say that I'm buying them specifically to AVOID what other people do with their games!

"JJP is the industry leader in quality and technical innovation, creating groundbreaking pinball machines"
Well not according to most in this thread

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Yep transformers are reliable as hell at producing AC voltages, so removing them saves only weight and cost when you look at it from the standpoint of just that one piece of the puzzle. Unfortunately pinball machines are a DC device that needs multiple DC voltages. Looked at as a whole with all of the failure-prone parts that are saved for eliminating multiple DC power supplies fed by the multiple transformer outputs (connectors, wires, bridge rectifiers, capacitors, etc) it would certainly be more reliable too. The power supply Stern uses is actually a pretty nice one despite the stupidly noisy fan. I've not heard of anyone having to replace one, on the other hand I literally had a discrete power supply in WoZ fill my game room with smoke one day a few years back. Removing transformers from pinball machines is as much an inevitable modernization as going from DMD to LCD. It simply makes sense for cost, reliability and ease of manufacture. That's why Stern, American, Chicago Gaming and Spooky have all chosen to go that route.

What Playfield issues? Hey look over here at the Shiny New Steve

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All 3 were later arrested by the fashion police.

^*

Over 200 years of combined, pinball experience. It would have been 300 years, but Lloyd was busy playing pinball.

Steves 1st task is to record the follow up video to "Dimples are normal"

"Chips are Normal"
Lol....

That's just a picture of their pricing .
The scorebit guy , wrote that it was free for life , in the GNR owners thread .

Oh gotcha thanks.

I don’t think Steve Ritchie joined JJP to be a pinball designer, or it would have been announced as such. Something like ...SR has joined JJP as a new designer, would have been a normal way to mention this. Absent that, my guess he is joining JJP as a favor to Jack. Steve Ritchie can help Pat to provide design support and add oversight for a few years. I could be totally wrong, guess we’ll learn soon.

What we wanted is to hear was that JJP hired a playfield manufacturing fixer. Someone that will find and fix the playfield defects at all cost and a top priority. Someone with quick reflexes but deliberate moves. Someone you can count on to kill and bury the problem for good. Someone that will keep his mouth shut and tow the company line afterwards. JJP please acknowledge and fix the playfield problems, we don’t need to know how, just do it.

I have to upvote this for obvious reasons…

A new JJP "warranty" being offered?? Haven't seen it anywhere else than PinballStar??

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Nice of them to offer you a replacement playfield... All you gotta do is install and pay for it. Top notch service!

So, did anybody attending Pinfest discuss with the "Founder of Jersey Jack Pinball", the changed warranty terms along with general support issues?

And COMB-OVERS are not normal...

Not understanding the Ritchie hire for a company that can’t produce a game a year AND the cancel brigade is working hard to stick a fork in JJP.

Despite that effort, I can already hear the silent screams building……”take my money now Steve”! Lol

IDK - my WoZ wasn't a new in box buy, but despite the problems I've had with it, it seems at least as reliable as my other pins. There's more stuff that can break too, so I'm surprised it doesn't have more problems. JJP has a better warranty than Stern on paper, but I had a new AIQ break and they sent me a free warranty replacement part after their paltry 60 day warranty expired, so I can't complain about them either. I've seen a lot of LTG posts helping people with their JJPs, which gives me confidence in their commitment to making a good product and standing behind it.

If JJP makes a theme I'm interested in, the OP's post does not dissuade me one bit from checking it out. Sounds like he had a bad experience, but I wonder what JJP's side of the story is on this. They probably won't say, but there's 2 sides to every story...

Cancel club has already stuck a fork in the small boutique company known as JJP. Out of all Stern designers, SR is least favorite by game sales alone, which all (except ST, SW and AC/DC) rank at Stern’s bottom. The last 2 BK and LZ were almost flops to some degree. When LZ was compared to GNR plastics and LEDs, it surpasses LZ by a landslide. Although LZ game play is far superior, nothing else is. So no wonder Stern sent him out to pasture and he went to a company on its way out too, JJP. SR never knew how to work a Stern BOM like Eddie, Gomez, Borg or Elwin does. All his games are lackluster and empty by comparison and maybe the reason he’s out of Stern. Why would anyone in their right mind jump from the defacto leader to a known tiny boutique company like JJP (only 6 measly games in soon to be 14 years), unless they were shown the door??? Stern decided no matter the BOM, SR doesn’t have it any longer and the only place to pasture, was a place where most buyers have already left in droves…JJP.

Such high hopes we all had for JJP that have now been transferred to Spooky.

…and was driven back to the retirement home they thought to have escaped.

Too funny!

He was too busy getting his makeup on for the photo shoot. No lie...the guy wears makeup.

With the playfield issues they should come clean with what Mirco process failures are how he is improving his process. This has been going on for many years with broken promises. I was sending Ron K my printed playfields just uv inkjet printed only for some of his customers & for his personal stock over the years. Never had pooling, chipping, etc. with my contractors or Ron K over the years.
I am guiding new pinball companies on the process I used over the last 15 years as a pioneer of uv inkjet printing. Be wary of new printers & their ink which I firmly believe is leading to the failures in the industry. Quality of plywood used, & make sure it is dry. Seal the wood with Varethane water interior gloss 2 coats. Never finish clear if you can still smell the ink! Do not rush finish clear coat process! Finally the big suppliers should be tracking the dates of production for finish clear coats so that inventory is correctly used - first in first out. You want the playfields to cure as long as possible. Even my playfields were being installed after the customers received them - 2 weeks or longer after finish clear coats. Very few complained that to them they appeared a little soft. Finish clear coats over the years was OMNI clear 2 part automotive clear.
https://us.ppgrefinish.com/PPG-Refinish/Products/Automotive-Refinish/Omni
PPG was also my tempered glass supplier for backglass production.

This is all you need to know about pinball in 2021.

If a company can't make a quality product and stand behind it when they are selling for 9-11k....they probably aren't 'better' for the hobby. This goes for any company. There's a certain point where it's not just squeaky wheels but an actual issue that needs addressed.

Remember what brought on the video game crash? It wasn't because there were 'too many games'. It was too many 'crap quality' games.

That exactly. At what point are we willing to just be screwed over repeatedly? (I mean....Predator, Aliens, Lebowski, Zidware, Deeproot most likely....clearly people are willing to just burn money here..) It's only "good" if they can effectively compete for our dollars. Nobody wants to spend 10k on a game and be stuck doing a playfield swap on a loaded game 6 months later.....or go to buy a still in production game 4 months after launch to find out the price has been JJP'ED up.

Why do people assume this? Their service lately SUCKS. They have a hit game and the priority is clearly not on fixing ongoing issues but rather cranking out games. As consumers, it pisses us off, and it really is that simple.

No one in their right mind wants them to fail, they want them to not suck at servicing customers who spent 10 thousand dollars on a toy with defective parts.

Are upset consumers not permitted to bitch? Such a weird mindset.

Does the JJP bashing have to be constant? Every thread. Every post. Every day over and over and over. Bashing the company. Bashing their PR. Bashing their people. Bashing anyone that does not join in on the bashing. And you wonder why JJP doesn't just throw out free parts to anyone that complains. It's endless.

What?
What company doesn't get bashed around here and since when is JJP bashed more so than others? Ur in a thread about what many feel is lacklustre service from JJP, think that may have something to do with it? I mean I'm here strictly to enjoy the insults and revel in the fact that the "innovators" and "Best pin manufacturer in the World" is being dismantled, after years of listening to that crap its a joy to behold. "Build Quality"

What has JJP done to stop the complaining? They announced the other day that customers can PURCHASE their own playfield if they arent happy with theirs.

The bitching and moaning about JJP is 100 percent on them, not pinside, or anyone else. If they don't like it, then they can address things rather than continuing to do nothing.

I dont think most reasonable people enjoy such negativity, especially in a hobby that is so fun, but this is on them.

I think even being able to get a response from JJP customer service would help aliviate lots of frustration we have. Myself included.

This would go away with a simple “We here at JJP recognize the PF issues being reported. Please contact JJP as we fully warranty our playfields and will work to solve your issues” 90% noise would go away and the standard 10% will always remain because people use Pinside to bitch for no good reason

cmon man.... you think Pinball Star decided to just do that on their own? List specific pricing, the requirement for a serial number, and tell you to contact Barry? You don't think this came straight from JJP?

I could have misheard, so please don't quote me, but fairly certain Zach Meny stated JJP sent that communication to their distributor network. Its as official as you are going to get from them.

That info came from JJP. It’s official.

Ok sounds good.Thank you

Yes, I know if I was running a business I'd opt to screw over my customers out of spite for an internet forum....

you comedians are gonna age one day also. btw never seen any fashion experts at a a pinball show neither