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Avoid Ebay Seller "ClassicArcades"

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#101 1 year ago

Ive only ordered 3 or 4 times from Jeff, but my experience has been very good. His deliveries have arrived faster than any other vendor I’ve ordered parts from. I had an issue with BSD cabinet decals I ordered, and he immediately corrected the problem (again with fast delivery).

Anyway…just saying it’s not all bad. Sounds like you could get a ‘mixed bag’. Considering the limited options we have for parts sourcing, I wouldn’t write him off completely if you need something. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until/unless personal experience teaches me otherwise.

#102 1 year ago
Quoted from A_Bord:

I bought an Avengers LE (2012) playfield from him two weeks ago. He had 3 listed in stock. Upon purchasing he sent me a message saying it would be a wait because he has to wait for Stern to re-run them. Didn't smell right to me. Basically he was taking a $550 loan from me and holding the money past the 30 day recourse policy. Pretty sure I never would have seen the money or the playfield again if I hadn't immediately requested a refund.

That is exactly what happened to me with the topper. I had no recourse with Ebay as it had been too long waiting for him. Must be stall tactics. It's really disappointing.

#103 1 year ago

Alright, my turn to get burned by Classicarcades quality, or actually my translite got burned. I bought one of the Lost World translites. I don't leave my games on all day, I just turn them on for awhile to play. Maybe a few hours if I have guests. In the interest of maintaining originality, Lost World has incandescent bulbs. I noticed bubbles on the back glass and found small melt spots by the bulbs. I guess my expectations were a little high, but I have had plenty of games with plastic translites using regular bulbs that have never been damaged.

I did email him, not expecting any compensation, but just to let him know my dissatisfaction. He responded saying the translite was "designed for LEDs". Well, I reiterated that my games are not on all day and that there is no mention of "designed for LEDs" or warning saying it should not be used with incandescent bulbs. Maybe there should be, if you are going to advertise the product as a replacement for peeling backglasses (which everyone in this hobby knows is primarily older games using incandescent bulbs)

Thankfully, the melt spots didn't go all the way through, so I have ordered LEDs for the backbox. Buyer beware.

1 month later
#104 1 year ago

I placed an order for decals and plastics on Monday. I received everything in good condition and quality on Tuesday! Communicating with Jeff has been easy/straightforward on the 5 or 6 orders I’ve placed with him. Zero complaints. FWIW, I bought a couple sets of decals from him and my BSDs (purchased a while ago) maybe seemed a little thin (didn’t have that impression on other decals, but maybe they were all the same) …but we installed the BSD decals carefully and they turned out great.

I understand others have different experience with this vendor, and I can’t speak to that. I’m only sharing positive facts/experience I have with this seller. For new potential buyers, I cannot support the “avoid at all cost” perspective. Consider the positives along with the negatives and make your purchase decisions.

I will purchase from them again.

#105 1 year ago
Quoted from curban:

I placed an order for decals and plastics on Monday. I received everything in good condition and quality on Tuesday! Communicating with Jeff has been easy/straightforward on the 5 or 6 orders I’ve placed with him. Zero complaints. FWIW, I bought a couple sets of decals from him and my BSDs (purchased a while ago) maybe seemed a little thin (didn’t have that impression on other decals, but maybe they were all the same) …but we installed the BSD decals carefully and they turned out great.
I understand others have different experience with this vendor, and I can’t speak to that. I’m only sharing positive facts/experience I have with this seller. For new potential buyers, I cannot support the “avoid at all cost” perspective. Consider the positives along with the negatives and make your purchase decisions.
I will purchase from them again.

I ordered some bad cats cab decals a few years back. One side of the decal was printed inversely. And of course, I didn't realize it until I was about to attach them. I gulped, as i knew i heard some things about dealing with CA.

I emailed Jeff. The emails weren't super fast in response, but it totally wasn't bad, and he made good on the decals fast without any issue.

I had a great experience and the decals turned out fantastic.

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#106 1 year ago

None of the "good" experiences are excuses for the flat out fraud he has committed on other customers. All of you posting about great product/seller will be back here posting about your bad experiences someday.

#107 1 year ago

15 years ago (!!!) I had a friend of mine do a test with CA's 'unbreakable' acrylic fender washers. You can guess the result...

#108 1 year ago
Quoted from miracleman:

None of the "good" experiences are excuses for the flat out fraud he has committed on other customers. All of you posting about great product/seller will be back here posting about your bad experiences someday.

PSST. Sometimes people will even post multiiple times in the same thread defending a seller with terrible quality, communication, and business practices. It's like they are trying to balance out the bad experiences being related here in a way that isn't proportional to their limited experience.

E.g., https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/avoid-ebay-seller-classicarcades?tu=curban

#109 1 year ago
Quoted from stevevt:PSST. Sometimes people will even post multiiple times in the same thread defending a seller with terrible quality, communication, and business practices. It's like they are trying to balance out the bad experiences being related here in a way that isn't proportional to their limited experience.
E.g., https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/avoid-ebay-seller-classicarcades?tu=curban

...there's no secret. I was updating because I was really, really pleased and impressed receiving goods within 24 hrs of ordering yesterday and wanted to give a positive shout-out. I probably only live 100 miles away, but 24hrs is still a nice surprise. I have no relationship with vendor...I met him at a show for five minutes. My order yesterday was STTNG decals and sling plastics. Maybe they're easy things to get right; anyway both are good.

Yes, I can only speak from my limited experience. It's not proportional to the bad experiences shown on Pinside...but let's face it, Pinside isn't the happiest place on earth (I think it's either Finland or Disney World). I guess I did feel compelled to say something positive in the face of all this negativity about the business. Obviously, he wouldn't still be in business if he gave every customer a bad experience...so i can't be the only satisfied customer.

Anyway...lesson learned...say something nice and get wrath of pinside...I'll keep whatever positivity I have to myself from now on! (no I won't; you will never snub by niceness!!!!...really,theres not that much of it to begin with...my closest friend actually teases me as Mr Negativity, but he's never used Pinside as a barometer!!!).

Cheers everyone. Everyone get back to what you were doing!

#110 1 year ago
Quoted from curban:

I guess I did feel compelled to say something positive in the face of all this negativity about the business.

One would normally think that if there are a high number of complaints about a parts maker and/or their parts, that it's likely there are some problems there. For example, it's been posted many times before that his playfield overlays have alignment issues with insert lenses and playfield holes. Actually I don't think ANYONE has ever posted that a Classic Arcades playfield overlay lines up perfectly. Someone may now reply here that one 'pretty much' lines up, but any issues with those or any CA products have pretty much never been corrected. I am glad, though, that your items are good and that you are blessed with the miracle of one-day USPS(?) delivery.

#111 1 year ago
Quoted from curban:

Obviously, he wouldn't still be in business if he gave every customer a bad experience...so i can't be the only satisfied customer.

There is a fairly high number (in my estimation) of dissatisfaction of this business that I am sure goes unreported for several reasons. One is because in a lot of the older games that need parts, decals etc. there really isn't a choice of where to get these items. If you are looking to replace or repair something that is badly damaged, sometimes a part that is less than perfect, or the wrong colors for example, is better than what you have. So you suck it up and just accept it for what it is. There is a portion of these sales that even though not satisfied, keep the business profits rolling in. For some us even though we know the part we just received had a problem, we might still roll the dice and buy the next time from this business simply because that's all that is available out there.

#112 1 year ago
Quoted from wayout440:

There is a portion of these sales that even though not satisfied, keep the business profits rolling in.

I bought a few pieces for a Scared Stiff from this seller on eBay.

Quoted from wayout440:

If you are looking to replace or repair something that is badly damaged, sometimes a part that is less than perfect, or the wrong colors for example, is better than what you have.

The quality of the parts I received are so far off from the originals that I doubt I'll use them. (well maybe I'll use one of them because one of my original backglass plastics is shattered beyond saving) Anyway, not worth arguing about. Lesson learned.

Forgive me if my terminology is incorrect but I'm talking about muddy screen prints lacking crispness on the details and screen-printed images not properly aligned on plastics.

#113 1 year ago
Quoted from lifefloat:

Forgive me if my terminology is incorrect but I'm talking about muddy screen prints lacking crispness on the details and screen-printed images not properly aligned on plastics.

Exactly, among other things. As I mentioned above, he's been cranking out this stuff for over 15 years. You'd think he'd get better at it just by the sheer number of sales he's had over that time. WTF?!? He's not blind, he knows how to operate whatever equipment he uses to make parts. Rather than striving for perfection I guess he just sits there and says "That's good enough...", which is NOT the kind of person PPS should license to make parts. CPR has had some bloops over the decades, but they're light years ahead of the level classic arcades is operating at. It's really a dumbfounding situation, isn't it?
If there's a reset button to have all parts licenses re-approved PPS needs to stomp on it.

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#114 1 year ago
Quoted from miracleman:

If there's a reset button to have all parts licenses re-approved PPS needs to stomp on it.

PPS does not care.

#115 1 year ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

PPS does not care.

True. Based on their actions (and lack thereof) it's apparent that PPS does not care one bit about subpar quality Williams pinball replacement parts.

#116 1 year ago
Quoted from curban:

...there's no secret. I was updating because I was really, really pleased and impressed receiving goods within 24 hrs of ordering yesterday and wanted to give a positive shout-out. I probably only live 100 miles away, but 24hrs is still a nice surprise. I have no relationship with vendor...I met him at a show for five minutes. My order yesterday was STTNG decals and sling plastics. Maybe they're easy things to get right; anyway both are good.
Yes, I can only speak from my limited experience. It's not proportional to the bad experiences shown on Pinside...but let's face it, Pinside isn't the happiest place on earth (I think it's either Finland or Disney World). I guess I did feel compelled to say something positive in the face of all this negativity about the business. Obviously, he wouldn't still be in business if he gave every customer a bad experience...so i can't be the only satisfied customer.
Anyway...lesson learned...say something nice and get wrath of pinside...I'll keep whatever positivity I have to myself from now on! (no I won't; you will never snub by niceness!!!!...really,theres not that much of it to begin with...my closest friend actually teases me as Mr Negativity, but he's never used Pinside as a barometer!!!).
Cheers everyone. Everyone get back to what you were doing!

You're right. I was very unhappy being sent a broken part and never getting a replacement at promised. Only difference for me is I paid for it to be shipped to Australia. Very costly, broken plastic that he said was being sent again. Lies from Jeff.

#117 1 year ago

It really makes me sick on these threads where companies are known for ripping people off that people will still enable them to continue doing the same thing. Oh I got my stuff and I'm happy so I don't care that countless others are getting scammed. Seriously, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Just order parts from MAD Amusements next time and go full scumbag.

#118 1 year ago

If Ahhh, Errrr and Ummm were proper speech, Rick @ P.P.S. would be a master of their usage.

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#119 1 year ago

I guess I offended the ebay seller Classicarcades. I asked him if he could do a lower price on a product, he said "he would lose money if so, so no". I replied that "mine wasn't bad enough to be spending the full price for a new one, so I'll have to pass, thank you for considering." And now I'm blocked from buying from him what in the heck? Seems off to me

#120 1 year ago
Quoted from Allingerb:

I guess I offended the ebay seller Classicarcades. I asked him if he could do a lower price on a product, he said "he would lose money of so, so no". I replied that "mine wasn't bad enough to be spending the full price for a new one, so I'll have to pass, thank you for considering." And now I'm blocked from buying from him what in the heck? Seems off to me

Based on the reported quality of some of his items, you might be lucky.

#121 1 year ago

Well, I'm now unblocked. So he saw my comment here or finally saw my message on ebay where I offered an apology for offending him which I didn't mean to do. I have purchased from him before without issue. Glad I'm unblocked. He does have some things I want.

#122 1 year ago

Anyone gotten an Addams Fam "Mansion" decal recently? Good or avoid?

#123 1 year ago
Quoted from Allingerb:

I have purchased from him before without issue. Glad I'm unblocked. He does have some things I want.

Most repro part sellers are not a 50/50 chance of getting shit product.
We all wish you continued good luck.

#124 1 year ago

I just tried to purchase from him, and also found out that I have been blocked.
I have no clue as why. I have not bought anything in years from them.
I am looking for CC side art and PPS is out of stock after waiting 2 weeks for them to say they were out. So I was going to get them from classic arcade, but no luck as I am blocked.
So now I am in search mode.

#125 1 year ago
Quoted from thepinballworks:

I just tried to purchase from him, and also found out that I have been blocked.
I have no clue as why. I have not bought anything in years from them.
I am looking for CC side art and PPS is out of stock after waiting 2 weeks for them to say they were out. So I was going to get them from classic arcade, but no luck as I am blocked.
So now I am in search mode.

You can always have a friend order them for you.

#126 1 year ago

It’s hit or miss with him, honestly.
I bought fish tales sling shot plastics from him that were garbage.
I bought a large Elvira lower decal because of severe wear above the flippers, and it was excellent and spot on.

I tried to buy a similar T2 decal from him years ago, only to be strung along for weeks and he never did produce it.

Communication with him is again, hit or miss.

1 month later
#127 1 year ago

I asked Jeff if I could review the art of a playfield overlay. He sent me a watermarked file and when able to see the details up close they looked good. The project wasn't meant to be, but he seemed responsive and nice when inquiring. Like most of you, he seems very busy, too

#128 1 year ago
Quoted from MiniPinHead:I asked Jeff if I could review the art of a playfield overlay. He sent me a watermarked file and when able to see the details up close they looked good. The project wasn't meant to be, but he seemed responsive and nice when inquiring. Like most of you, he seems very busy, too

Classicarcades has given Deeproot a run for their money in ruining the pinball hobby for people.

Classicarcades has ruined more pinballs than anyone else in the hobby.. Imagine sanding down your playfield and clearing it, then going to apply the decal and seeing that not only were the colors not right, but it was flat out missing part of the art. You might say some people are picky, but how do you forget to put the Statue of Liberty, Brandenburg Gate, and Eifel Tower on the playfield. How do you print a playfield overlay and not have the city graphics in the inserts? Things did not align and the prints were beyond subpar. You can get a refund if you scrape off the sticker you sanded your playfield down to apply and mail it back to him leaving yourself with a glue covered mess... minus the price of shipping. Product is packed in such a way that you cannot see flaws until after the decal is unwrapped with the glue exposed.

The preview images of the playfield overlay he was selling me showed the missing art that did not show up in the print job. I personally have written letters to Planetary Pinball urging them to drop their license, complained to ebay, and had to go through a bank to get a refund. I cannot shit on this man's work enough, nor his customer service and would sand a pin down to bare wood and leave it as is before giving this thief another cent... nope... actually I'd set it on fire before using anything he sold.

I rate their products a -200000 out of 10 and would avoid them like the plague. I wish Planetary would give the license to someone else.

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#129 1 year ago

Actually... looking through my old email it's worse than I said.

"If you used it you cannot return it".

No refunds or exchanges on products that don't match the description, photos, are misaligned, and don't even have all the art much less the right colors. Products that you cannot even inspect until applied.

It's been years and I stand by my warning.

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#130 1 year ago
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Classicarcades has given Deeproot a run for their money in ruining the pinball hobby for people.
Classicarcades has ruined more pinballs than anyone else in the hobby.. Imagine sanding down your playfield and clearing it, then going to apply the decal and seeing that not only were the colors not right, but it was flat out missing part of the art. You might say some people are picky, but how do you forget to put the Statue of Liberty, Brandenburg Gate, and Eifel Tower on the playfield. How do you print a playfield overlay and not have the city graphics in the inserts? Things did not align and the prints were beyond subpar. You can get a refund if you scrape off the sticker you sanded your playfield down to apply and mail it back to him leaving yourself with a glue covered mess... minus the price of shipping. Product is packed in such a way that you cannot see flaws until after the decal is unwrapped with the glue exposed.
The preview images of the playfield overlay he was selling me showed the missing art that did not show up in the print job. I personally have written letters to Planetary Pinball urging them to drop their license, complained to ebay, and had to go through a bank to get a refund. I cannot shit on this man's work enough, nor his customer service and would sand a pin down to bare wood and leave it as is before giving this thief another cent... nope... actually I'd set it on fire before using anything he sold.
I rate their products a -200000 out of 10 and would avoid them like the plague. I wish Planetary would give the license to someone else.
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For anybody out there that knows Rick, why does he not have a standard for who reproduces the products? Does he just not care and is only out there for the money? I know a couple vendors that make superior products but have told me he was very difficult to work with

#131 1 year ago
Quoted from mmr61184:

For anybody out there that knows Rick, why does he not have a standard for who reproduces the products? Does he just not care and is only out there for the money? I know a couple vendors that make superior products but have told me he was very difficult to work with

I think the response to the same question in the Mirco thread from Rick works here as well. Just replace Mirco with Classic Arcade and playfield with your part and you'll have your answer......

Quoted from PPS:

I'm just being made aware of activity on this thread ... if anyone has an issue with Mirco with respect to WMS/BLY playfields, send me an email as to what the issue is (pics are a plus), timings (when purchased, when issue realized, etc), what communication has been with Mirco, and what the situation is, and I would discuss with him specific situations that are open. FYIW, we have been selling Mirco playfields and have had very few issues, I suspect due to the fact that often the playfields have had a long time to cure/harden (when that is the issue), clearly there are other issues with playfields, but I don't recall having had to bring to Mirco's attention anything since a long time.
Let me know at [email protected]
While there are sometimes good reasons for bad situations, nonetheless, it's a large purchase and although Mirco is financially responsible, we do have some influence on some of these matters.
Team PPS

#132 1 year ago

Just helpful advice if anyone has an issue with a sale on eBay: if you have a legitimate case that a good received was not as described, you can claim that option in your return/refund request and eBay 100% backs you for your full amount purchased. Seller can't do anything about it, unless they prove you're scamming them. Just snap a picture for your initial return/refund request and you're covered 100% of the time. If you need to ship anything, ship the used product whenever possible, or else you might have to negotiate a partial refund. eBay will get you your money back, even if someone drags their feet.

It would be really annoying to find out that a previewed product is not what was actually sent, but I wouldn't sand anything until I made sure I was happy with what I was going to install.

In Classic Arcade's case, there must be some issue with the source of the original files he's receiving if things are missing.

#133 1 year ago
Quoted from meSz:

I think the response to the same question in the Mirco thread from Rick works here as well. Just replace Mirco with Classic Arcade and playfield with your part and you'll have your answer......

Exactly. Rick does not give a shit. When things get hot he might come in and act like he does, just to get a little heat off him, but at the end of the day nothing changes. Been that way for years.

#134 1 year ago

I think Jeff is the only one still making hot-stamped pop bumper caps and drop targets, and he supplies distributors like Marco and PinballLife. Like others here, I’ve been disappointed in the accuracy of his insert decals, but his pops and drops are fine.

#135 1 year ago
Quoted from swampfire:

I think Jeff is the only one still making hot-stamped pop bumper caps and drop targets, and he supplies distributors like Marco and PinballLife. Like others here, I’ve been disappointed in the accuracy of his insert decals, but his pops and drops are fine.

PBR does.

#136 1 year ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

Exactly. Rick does not give a shit. When things get hot he might come in and act like he does, just to get a little heat off him, but at the end of the day nothing changes. Been that way for years.

That sucks because he holds the licenses and can give them to whoever he wants. I know that’s capitalism for you but sucks for those of us that value a superior product than just an available product

#137 1 year ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

Exactly. Rick does not give a shit. When things get hot he might come in and act like he does, just to get a little heat off him, but at the end of the day nothing changes. Been that way for years.

Is there actually any exclusivity to any of the licenses tho? it seems like people that want to pay for one get one?

Unless licenses are being restricted, first thing is first, need more vendors who can and will consistently create a quality product that people are happy with. If such vendors were being withheld licenses, I could see more community uproar.

#138 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

Is there actually any exclusivity to any of the licenses tho? it seems like people that want to pay for one get one?
Unless licenses are being restricted, first thing is first, need more vendors who can and will consistently create a quality product that people are happy with. If such vendors were being withheld licenses, I could see more community uproar.

I know of a very well respected side art decal maker that is far more superior to some of the crap out there that had certain titles but can no longer sell them. He didn’t go into detail about his beef with Rick

#139 1 year ago
Quoted from mmr61184:

I know of a very well respected side art decal maker that is far more superior to some of the crap out there that had certain titles but can no longer sell them. He didn’t go into detail about his beef with Rick

Good to know. For sure, if quality makers are being withheld licensing that is annoying... would be nice to know reasons.. only two I can think of would be quality or $$$.. and we know that it isn't quality.

#140 1 year ago
Quoted from koji:

Good to know. For sure, if quality makers are being withheld licensing that is annoying... would be nice to know reasons.. only two I can think of would be quality or $$$.. and we know that it isn't quality.

Yeah won’t speculate.

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#141 6 months ago

Somebody pointed out this terrible decal in the overpriced BBBB thread. A quick search turned up it was indeed a classic arcades cabinet decal set. You can see the same flaw right on their ebay listing. How can they let these things go out the door like this!?

ebay.com link: itm

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#142 6 months ago

Jeff is responsive to making corrections… when he’s responsive

#143 6 months ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

How can they let these things go out the door like this!?
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Easy, all it takes is a seller and a licensor that doesn't care about quality to "let these things go out the door".

But what am I missing on this? I don't know BBBB so not seeing the issue.

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#144 6 months ago

I was super happy with his EBD apron decal. Makes for some quick work to perfection! Thanks Jeff!

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#145 6 months ago
Quoted from meSz:

Easy, all it takes is a seller and a licensor that doesn't care about quality to "let these things go out the door".
But what am I missing on this? I don't know BBBB so not seeing the issue.

Take a look at the left ear and right eye.

#146 6 months ago
Quoted from Monk:

Take a look at the left ear and right eye.

Bugs looks like a “last of us” monster!

#147 6 months ago

I wasn't sure if he was going for the Bugs Monopoly look.

#148 6 months ago
Quoted from pindel:

I was super happy with his EBD apron decal. Makes for some quick work to perfection! Thanks Jeff!
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Looks like the insert for the replay lamp in the apron is missing.

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#149 6 months ago

And the typefaces used are different than what the original apron has.

#150 6 months ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

Looks like the insert for the replay lamp in the apron is missing.

It's there. The insert is plugged into it.

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