That's because tiki showed up to shit on the thread. That's TeeKee stank you're smelling.

Just kidding TeeKee. I'm still good for that coffee.

Absolutely. I'll bring some Tasters Choice Packets and a thermos of hot water. Based on your lack of taste you shouldn't mind!

Unless you prefer Folgers Crystals (def think you're on the crystal sometimes...)? I once substituted it for the normal coffee in a fine, upscale restaurant and no one knew the difference...

Just curious, but you've played TAV pro how many times? I've never played one. I've seen one at PAPA but it was during Pinburgh and I never got to it. Are you judging this game on your own experience?

Must be nice to have such great instincts! I had my Avengers in my house for a week wondering if I'd made a mistake. And then another learning its charms. Then I started to enjoy it, and after a couple of months it became one of my favorite games ever.

Life must be easier for you.

And your track record is what, 100%? Because I'll bet you don't second guess yourself.

I think its laughable that you make decisions on new pins in 90 minutes, during 2 sessions of play. You're confident you even know the rules at that point? The objectives?

I'm sure that people that know you well also question your judgement.

Whatever.

Everybody on Pinside comments on the behavior of other people on Pinside all the time. It's a forum. Duh. Probably the most ridiculous thing anyone can do on Pinside is take umbrage for someone else telling them what they should or shouldn't think about something. Really? The "who are you to tell me what I think" pose is for people that take themselves was too seriously and sadly, probably need a little better self esteem.

Opinions are like a-holes, right? AV haters are entitled to their/your opinions. You're are just wrong that's all.

I'll add this. Taking Pinside as a whole, when the criticism of a game gets ridiculously positive or negative my gut reaction is to do the exact opposite. I was a staunch defender of TF months before I ever acquired one....because I'd played it and liked it. I got a CSI for the same reason. These games were really fun to own, but if I followed the opinions of mostly uninformed people I'd never know that.

Because the nuances are what matter! The "basics" of a game are "shoot here, and here". If I'm just flailing around on a game, every game is going to be boring after 90 minutes. Most games have the same shots. That's one of the cool things about avengers in that some shots are actually a little different. But either way...its usually ramps and orbits and a bash toy up the middle so it's the rules that make one game different from the next.

I just love the gang mentality of this place. There are 500 AVLEs on the planet, yet everyone's an expert. I defend TF and AV because they are fun games. But in the case of TF, or ST, you may not even understand how workmanlike those games are after only 90 minutes. It took me many games on route to decide that ST was more sizzle than steak and that Mustang is just as fun.

WOZ probably really suffers by the 90 minute measure. Takes a long time to figure out what you're doing, some shots can be a little clunky, it can be a drain monster....but I'll bet after 4 or 5 hours of play it starts to really shine.

I will always take shots at people "judging" (issuing definitive opinions) games after limited play. It strikes me as narrow minded. I could be wrong. But I think people should justify negative comments with some true context, and let the masses decide based on that.

That's my KIWI right there! Get that Hearse out to NewYawk! And see what all the fuss is about!

With all due respect, "Pinside" has its head up its ass with regard to this title.

Buy mine, and never touch a dial again.

It took me a long time to get mine right. I had my moments wanting to kill it. But you know as well as I do that when the game is on it is some seriously excellent pinball. I find it a little aggravating that most people will never know. Or think they know better based on two longish sessions of play. But hey, that's pinball.

You're right! It irritates me that people don't see this my way.

I think the bigger truth is 1) that I defend underdogs that I feel have been mistreated. I defended TF months before I actually bought one, because I'd played it on route and found it quite good....and so much of the Pinside criticism was just complete pile on BS from people that didn't know jack but flapped their gums anyway. So, truth 2) I also have a problem with people that broadcast ignorant opinions under the pretense of experience, and thereby unfairly perpetuate malformed reputations.

As to going on and on....I feel compelled to respond to the critics. Especially the trolls. I believe I'm within my rights to do this.

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Yes, I find it galling that TAV is so unloved. Isn't that obvious?

I'm not defending the pro as much as deflating those that scorn the pro - or ANY game, Mustang anyone?- without giving it a fair shake. I haven't played the pro. I defend the LE for the same reason AND because I love the gameplay.

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My goodness, so insistent about the things you DON'T LIKE. Wheras i'm insistent about the things I do like. I think that makes me a better person. Than you.

Hellz yes. One would suffice for me. Cool game that 90% of Pinside hasn't played but that half say sucks.