Would like to see this being a little more than just an Avengers vault. At the very least in the same style BDK was redesigned and released into BM66 just without the kapow price tag

I was editing my post while you quoted it, yeah they can redesign it (the original needs it!) but leave out the daft pricing.

Also saves mega money not having to licence all those actors likeness and voices.

All depends on the licence and the deal made, although we saw the Guardians and Spider-Man in Avengers, that’s the MCU and done by Marvel/Disney themselves

Theres no saying they include them in a deal to someone looking to license the Avengers. They could require completely different licenses and a lot of extra dollars. War machine and Winter solider should definitely be there at least you’d expect to see them.

Don’t think I ever mentioned Sony? The licences for use of Spider-Man and The Guardians are likely separate entities when it comes to licensing so Marvel/Disney probably want a tonne of money for the use of the Avengers but Spider-Man and Guardians those are separate, you want to use those pay up!

People think because of infinity war and endgame that everyone now comes under the avengers umbrella, Marvel/Disney did that themselves within their movie universe, likely not the same freedom for everyone else looking to licence from them.

Definitely mate, my original point which seemed to go over some beads here, was just because you see Avengers licensed movies or comics, don’t expect to see Spidey or Guardians show up as a given.

No way Disney band out their biggest cash cow in Spidey with an Avengers deal, you want him, your paying extra.

At least that’s my guess why we didn’t see Spidey or the Guardians in the teaser, would LOVE to be wrong and see everyone on this pin!

Believe either Gomez or Yeti, said it was a full featured release then the comment got deleted.

The film might not be to everyone’s taste but you could do some cool things with. Dr strange pin.

$600 slowly becoming the the new norm for a topper!? $999 for Elvira topper wow!!

The art blades on the LE seem to be the same as the accessory ones apart from ant-man/giant-man at the back left corner next to avengers tower ball lock.

Weird because the LE art blades are usually quite a lot different to the accessory art blades.

Unfortunately that’s the way of the world not just Stern. Nothing is built as well as it was 10-20 years ago.

Disney/Marvel already own all those movie rights again, this is comic book based so with or without the Disney/Fox merger they could have offer up everyone to Stern.

Stern must have chose to just licence The Avengers, I’m sure Marvel would have offered them up Spidey, Fantastic Four and anyone else they wanted for a few more big bags of cash!

Marvel is pushing a few major Avengers product releases these coming weeks, likely Marvels timeline/schedule rather than Sterns, might be why ZY was so pushed for time on this one.

Didn’t Keith say he was going to make his next game more accessible than his last couple of games? I’m guessing this is the answer to that.

Which is great as that kinda suits the theme more, I know I brought this game of Keith’s because of the theme being a total win in our house but also because it looks like my kids could play this one and enjoy it unlike JP3 and Maiden.

I don’t think stern will try that one again for a while.

Keith’s code on iron maiden and Jurassic Park is great not quiet sure what all the complaining on the previous pages are about, you can play his games as shallow or as in depth as you like, his rules are multi layered.

I’m just glad to see Avengers looks a little easier to shoot and isn’t as tight looking as Jurassic Park, I’ve brought this for me to play with my kids as they love avengers espieclsly my son and he’s the little pinhead of the family already, he will go mad when he sees this arrive!

HOOKED any chance your going to be making one of your awesome cast metal mods for this game, like say a new Infinity Gaunlet?

Animations look great, comic book themed and those animated comic stills are fantastic!

My kids are going to love this game although maybe not as much as me

Fits the theme perfectly, I’d rather have animated comic book pages of sorts than 90s PsOne graphics and animations that we got with TMNT.

Anyone else notice on the feature matrix that in the art section it says LE Thanos themed translite, premium black order themed full colour translite.?

Did stern run out of time mocking up the promo shots and we are possibly going to see a different translite on the premium?

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Not Black Panther, feature matrix says premium is Black Order (The henchmen of Thanos)

He said time was super tight don’t know if he confirmed he didn’t have time to make a premium art package; seems odd Stern would have a separate art package listed on the matrix, surely they would have known about the time restraints before pushing out the feature matrix to distributors etc.

Looks cool really like the cabinet sides! Custom pin or just some fun??

Often depends on the title, Keith’s games have held their value well but that’s because his previous 2 games are brilliant!

Munsters is really the only title in recent memory that’s bombed in value, over here in the U.K. you cannot sell a Munsters unless it’s priced insanely cheap.

Listening now thanks for the heads up!

How does Sterns HD glass compare to say InvisiGlass or PDI?

I have only had PDI in the past, this will be my first experience with Sterns HD glass, was already thinking about getting a sheet of PDI to swap it out, so curious what your take or anyone else’s is.

Keith Elwins signature $priceless

The biggest difference in the art blades is the left inner art blade. Up near the Avengers tower ball lock the LE has Ant-Man in Giant-Man form.

Standard art blades has the LE art stretched out I think with Ant-Man missing in that top back left corner of the art blade.

Only other difference I’ve spotted is maybe the back right art blade with the black order might be slightly different.

Oh and both blades have each part broken up with a yellow line/frame, where as the Prem art blades just run in merged style character to character.

LE Art Blades
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Premium/Pro Art Blades

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Go to Sterns Instagram account they have been posting lcd animation clips, there’s about 8 you can view and they all look great!

Mode start animation Space Gem

https://m.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/avengers-infinity-quest-space-gem-quest/419829268977867/

Same thing sold me on the game that rule/theme integration right there, simply awesome!

Would love to see the snap implemented somehow, snap killing your fingers would be great or maybe just one flipper at the bottom dying after all it’s only half the universe he wants to wipe out so half your bottom flippers dying seems fair.

Do it, AIQ looks fantastic, I always found GOTG a fun shooter but a little lifeless.

How do you know it costs less? How do you know it doesn’t take just as much time as the 3D models in TMNT?

There’s all these animation “experts” in here but does anyone commenting have any real world experience with animation?

Looking at the animations they must have all been drawn either by Marvel or Chuck and co at Stern, or maybe a combination of both?

There’s a hell of a cost right there if marvel is helping with the animation and graphics, it’s still a massive amount of time and cost if Stern have done it all in house with Chuck and team.

What looks simple doesn’t always equate to simple and cheap. I’m also pretty happy Stern are mixing up their lcd display style and animations, this works perfectly for a comic book themed pin, 3D models worked perfectly for JP having a mix of style between games is great.

I think the whole pinhead community is pumped for this release, layout alone looks amazing, the art is amazing as always from @zombieyeti, animations have been hit and miss but definitely a hit here!

I know a lot of the distributors over here in Europe have had more demand and sold out faster than any release in a while. You can still get Stranger Things LEs and TMNT LEs here, AIQ no chance get on the waiting lists.

This release is going exactly how JP did, awe and amazement at the reveal and layout, then loads of I’m not sure, I’m not excited now after watching the reveal stream, clunky, tight shots, frustrating etc etc now it’s one of Sterns best!

Can’t remember maidens release but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the same too.

AIQ code isn’t finished I caught a few moments that where missing any animation etc, Keith will continue to refine and add to Avengers and it will be up there JP, this looks to actually shoot better imo.

Ironman suits would have been perfect! Collect all starks suits in his armoury.

There was moaning, this is pinside after all!

The moaning about JP being too tight and frustrating still pops up now.

Honesty I don’t think covid is helping streams at all! All the noise trying to from the guys on zoom and then the guys there all in masks non of that helps the atmosphere of the streams even jack wasn’t his normal hyper self.

Didn’t notice it on the stream, but I’m sure someone on the stern podcast said it can hold 2 balls at once during a certain mode, I could be mistaken, but go give it a listen pretty good podcast with the AIQ design team.

In the movies purple was the power stone and held in the orb seen in GOTG.

Blue was the tesseract which is the space stone from Avengers.

Reality was red and held in the aether from Thor.

It’s always been the case, comics had the infinity gems, movies changed up the colours and called them infinity stones, never understood why they did/had to do that, but doesn’t bother me all that much as I’m familiar with both versions.

Just mean some modders won’t be able to just slap some LEDs in any old gauntlet.

Gems v Stones

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It locks up to 3 balls!

I don’t think it’s the fact they can’t be bothered, there’s just a lot of idiots that type without thinking behind their keyboards that talk shit on every stream.

Usually about this not being good enough and that not being good enough yet it’s the exact opposite stuff that the last game got bagged on for. When Keith and team have probably worked their asses off on what sounds like a tight schedule to get yet another “unique” non cookie cutter game out it’s probably frustrating.

Jack is great at bouncing off the stupid comments or laughing them off but that’s kind of his job as the host of the streams.

Take some of the comments made about TMNT, doesn’t look deep enough, not enough depth or breadth to the code, too linear, not enough modes or stuff to do etc etc... Keith comes out with a game the exact opposite to that and the comments are it’s too deep, rules are too complex, not linear enough and too confusing with too many things going on.

I think that’s why Keith posted in here a couple of times, not because he was doing damage control like someone said earlier in this thread, but to address some of stuff that’s been said specifically the code being too deep/complex - it’s only deep/complex if you want it to be just like JP just like Maiden.

Did anyone notice on the pro stream if there’s a callout when you get all 6 Avengers collected?

I was thinking earlier an “Avengers Assemble” callout would be awesome! It would also be a good audio que that you have collected all the avengers and the mini wizard mode has been qualified.

Story is your fighting to get the gems off the black order before they hand them over to Thanos, pretty much the story in the infinity gauntlet and the story adapted for infinity war and endgame. The story to Deadpool... there really isn’t one, beat 3 villains, collect 2 lots of dna that’s kind of it, but it’s still super cool.

Ray announced yesterday I think that Thanos will be more present in the code and callouts with a halfway battle with him prior to the full on final battle with him.

Get what your saying about the animations they are probably a little marmite you either love them or hate them thankfully I love them and think they suit the theme perfectly.

But comparing AIQ to Deadpool and saying it’s got all the things AIQ hasn’t is just wrong (Deadpool is probably one of my most favourite games ever btw) they are on pair with animations they are marmite and about as complex/simple as eachother, AIQ lack of interactive toys? Deadpool has less than AIQ, Deadpool as the katana lock that’s it, lil Deadpool doesn’t count, it’s a bobble head above a target, AIQ has the subway lock (same in essence as the katana lock), magnetic avengers tower and rising spinner are all interactive with the ball.

Luckily the game once dialled in is super fun too shoot and play. It is very samey but so far I’ve not got bored of it as it’s just such fun to play and easily one of my all time favourites!

The only thing I’ve never understood in the “story” of Deadpool is why do we collect 2 lots of DNA and hand it over to mr sinister to then have to fight his megakrakeldonousrex creation!? The fact that is made up of 3 lots of DNA bugs the hell out of me as the Kraken was originally going to be a mode in Deadpool but they removed it for some reason.

AIQ has one of the most known and recognised storylines in comic book lore running through it, really don’t understand these it doesn’t have a storyline comments.

I’ve never seen that on the lcd, always busy trying not to drain.

Totally forgot about that but couldn’t agree more great idea! I noticed at ball start there is comic stripe like animation of Thanos on the LCD but it doesn’t seem to play out at all. Hopefully it’s something that’s coming with updates and polish.

Heard pretty much the same thing, small initial run of pros, then full run of LEs, followed by 1st premium run and then pros.

Never ceases to amaze me how rude people can be sat behind their keyboard.

Will it still be set up as tough as the reveal stream or will you be tweaking it to more your liking?

Well if Keith says so... bottom setting for my outlane posts it is

Looks great! Someone with some great photoshop skills needs to make another rule card for he gems! No way I’m remembering what each of those do during gameplay.

Damn!! That artwork and yellow combo looks insane!! So glad I’m in on an LE with this one, looks to shoot amazing and the thing looks stunning!!

The gauntlet looks exactly like it does in the comics! No need to change it, what needs changing is the stones/gems those milky lens look like ass! Swap them out for some sort of clear glass/crystal and LEDs should make them pop! Would look 100x better.

Thoughts from playing?

Be a shit player like me and every games a winner and a lifetime keeper

I have an ifpa rating? How did I get one of those? I haven’t even played a competitive game of pinball at a comp, ever.

Don’t need to check I know Meegis has me mixed up with someone else, I’ve never played in a comp so I’d be worried if I had an ifpa rating that was anything but bottom of the table

Just watched the new code stream, one thing I’m going to have to change via PB is ironman attack sound, the repulsors “blaster” sound from marvel suck, will add in the movie repulsor SFX.

That’s great to hear, I don’t need all my games to be super fast with constant flow, I’ve already got plenty of games like that, looking forward to AIQ even more now with a little stop and go and staging of the ball, adds something different to my collection.

GLWTS mate gutted for you that you need to sell it on but classy on your part not flipping it like some

I’ve backhanded the Capt Marvel ramp a few times, always generates a smile.

PinMonk any idea what’s causing this Vic?

Two LEDs always on very dim (photo makes them look a lot brighter than they are in person) they function properly so go to full brightness when needed but don’t ever seem to shut off completely always on ever so slightly.

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Simple version:

AIQ, collect avengers via their respective shots, then hit the sling ring (disc) to start a gem mode quest, try to beat the mode and collect the gem, pretty much rinse and repeat.

I haven’t played a GnR but from streams it seems to be collect all the band members (the more you take into a song the better?) then start a song at the scoop and maximise your rock meter by hitting the lit shots and combos etc.

There’s obviously a tonne more to both games but that’s the basic skimming the surface of each.

Cheers Vic, solder looked good to me so I’m guessing there’s power seeping through both or one of the boards stupidly I didn’t look at which was lit when I had them out from under the playfield, so I’ll put it down to both being dodgy.

Will give my distributor a shout today.

My games the exact opposite, at 6.5 every good shot to the marvel ramp loops the wireform compared to when I had it slightly higher.

On the downside having it back at 6.5 has made my slings lethal, quite often I will get a ball rocketing back down off a target hit one of the slings and it blasts it like a cannon ball straight down one of the outlanes before I can blink!

It’s a truly brilliant game, reminds me a lot of Ironman, the more it kicks my ass the more I want to press start again.

I can’t remember a game with slings as unforgiving as AIQ.

My rails there are further to the left curved over the black line so the gap isn’t big enough for a ball to find its way in there on my game.

You can either block it with an adhesive post like some or bend the rail slightly inwards to the black line.

As Vic says above I also love the extra ramp it’s just one of those ramps/shots that’s never going to get old!

And I think the subway and ball lock add a nice break to the game allowing you to mix it up a little, nearly every shot on this game other than the disc is an instant return to a flipper.

Plus sinking a nicely aimed shot into the disk after a nice chain of combos for a portal lock is hugely satisfying,

I was on the fence at reveal but went with an LE on this title due to theme plus I thought the yellow powder would either look great or I’d love it because it’s so obnoxious haha, no regrets at all!

In fact the amount of plays I’ve already put on it, Id say the price jump between models up to LE was well worth it personally, I enjoy all the upgrades the marvel ramp being the big one, but I also enjoy the disk to subway shot a lot it just adds another great feeling shot to a game packed with amazing shots.

Wayne have you checked the disc test? Where it has to score more than 300 or 400 at each position 12, 3, 6, 9. Id probably start there before lifting the lid and looking for the usual, suspect wire.

Been pretty lucky with my LE, no faults, no ball hangups, playfield is perfect and subway works perfectly.