That's a great idea, it would definitely step up the whole "Challenge" thing they've started doing.

I agree, I could definitely live with it, but there's gotta be some sort of Marvel Universe collectible that makes sense in their place. Especially when the Ultimate Wizard Mode is based around them. At least from a theme integration perspective, it seems strange.

I bought this for my son about 4 years ago at Hobby Lobby. Looks like some of the art from this poster is used in the game.

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Totally. The Nublar Escape on JP2 had me thinking in reverse. Plus I want to play as Thanos. Maybe there's a Thanos Champion award where once you collect all the gems you snap half the scores off the board haha!

I'm with you here too. Relics from each Avenger could be cool. Collect Cap's shield, Nick Fury's eye patch, etc. LOL

Agree on Immigrant Song for Thor......However, I'm waiting to see how it sounds in person, but if it disappoints then maybe cleland will save us!!

If I were stern (and clearly I'm not) I'd figure out a way to mount and wire a gopro style cam to the apron for glass off reveal streams.

Interesting. I've said multiple times in these threads that I felt there were at least two different art styles in play for the LCD, and neither were ZY's. Glad I'm accurate, and not batshit. Thank you!!!!

I know he mentioned time restraints. I wonder if that was what he was referring to or if Disney has a design template in some capacity, for how they want art represented. One or the other.

There was a static image of a few Avengers, almost profile, and one of Scarlet Witch that deviated from this style, and ZY's as well.

Been there done that. Vibrations suck. Admittedly I didn’t use a go pro, but the shaking sucked.

good point! they've got engineers on staff tho, sure they can figure something out!

One stream the angle was so cool I just dealt with the shaking. It was BKSOR LE and I shoved a camera above the drain on the apron. Thought I saved the video, but can’t find it.

GoPro now has cameras that would 100% negate the shaking. Hell, they mount them on mountain bikers helmets on downhill runs and have very little vibration. A pinball would be childs play comparatively

Lots of people dropping out after the stream... I like the game even more after the stream and can't wait to play it!

Hopefully one of the people dropping is looking for a super nice dialed in le and will buy mine that’s listed. I am still all in for AIQ LE. I thought the game looked super fun in the stream.

Like it so far also, watching the recent avengers movies (now) this week. Would like to see more or a story on the screen to explain the moves and built excitement but overall it could be a win

The game looks sick and so does the stream big shout out to mr Elwin for making what looks like a killer game

There’s a YouTube vid where someone (Ohio pinball champion) really gives a fuck about people dropping out or not buying bc of the stream. He talks 38 minutes about how Stern could (in his opinion must) better their reveals the basic message was the stream was way too confusing esp for a non pinhead audience and he warned Stern/Jack Danger to not do the same on the marvel stream today as the damage would be much more severe. A great nonpinball audience (marvel fans) will watch.

Jack already said yesterday he will do quite the same today only next week when he does a stream alone will he slow and ease things down. Well see.

Agreed too.
As i said before, i’m also disappointed with jackpot callouts as they feel bland to me and don’t know why this voice of a kind of female robot. many options could have been explored with all the caracters, iron man, hulk, thor...for jackpot callouts , depending of the MB played. MM and BSD are still my all time favorite jackpot (or 30m) callouts, so far.

However, i was in for a LE before the streaming and still in after the streaming. I like what i see and i’m sure to like what i’ll see too. It will keep getting better imo. Don’t know yet how the topper could work in the game, certainly a cool feature too.

For your typical pinhead the stream would make no difference... its still just a video of guys playing it. Pinheads like us will still get it and sort the rules etc in our own time. Its the fringe buyers that would be possibly dipping out or buyers that can pick just 1 game a year and not all of em. Or possibly the new buyer... stern has done a spot on job of choosing a theme to pull them in... and thrn they follow up with a turd of a presentation.

Stern know they effed up.... hence the apologies today from Elwin. Yes Elwin, I dont refer to him by his 1st name as I dont suck up his backside... i recognise him as an outstanding designer and player... presenter? Not so much. Bottom line is the stream was disorganised and quite frankly crap. The game for me didn't suffer from it as I was getting it regardless.

nobody cares about pinball streams...sorry guys. they sell exactly zero machines, and i find it hard to believe anyone actually cancelled their l.e. after seeing one...

stop pretending marketing and advertising actually matter in pinball, it's a pat on the back waste of time lets be honest here. we're plunking down 9k cuz we saw jack danger in a mask showing off a new pin? cmon...

The world's foremost pinball company putting on display their brand new high end luxury item on 2 of the worlds biggest media platforms presented by world leading designers and players counts for zero sales you say? Ooookay

maybe the next streaming must be played more in order to show and explain all features than doing the best score.

in first stream, maybe my bad, but didn't really see the use of grid feature, pop up post, vuk, subway.
Please take time to show and explain before playing. thanks

the more i see this gauntlet the more i think they forgot to paint it!

I and you dont care I did not even watch the stream only saw 2nd hand about it. I also dont care how many machines Stern sells. What I do care about is an uprise of the competition to have a richer market and i think there is a legit point the competition watched the stream and the reaction to it carefully to maybe improve. I dont know if streams influence sales (a lot) maybe it does.

Fomo is one of the biggest sellers in pinball. Spooky for example sold 750 RMs in 4 hours (only) by creating fomo.

In regards to streams having an impact on sales or not - right now due to covid I think it does. Tougher for people to get their hands on a game now to try one out. Streams of new games are a little more important right now in regards to sales.

Hope the stream tonight of the Pro is a good one and has a decent vibe. Looking forward to seeing it.

The only thing that annoyed me about the stream is that the guys act like they can’t be bothered to answer a question. The co-op question is a good example.

Music is brilliant and fits perfectly. You havent read the comics from 91 obviously. The theme is dark bc the end of the world is near. Look how depressed Silver Surfer is after he got the news. preventing that was not a fun uplifting ride. Playing the game is.

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Ironman suits need to happen. If they dont and prob wont..at least put a Points Monsters trophy in there. The Florida holy grail. I see why these guys went with trophies, they mean a lot to a tournament player in real life

The reason why they don’t want to answer it; Is because co-op is not in the game, and they have no plans on bringing it. If, they answer NO on the stream, that hurts sales.

Keith is the designer, and head of rules. and he asked Raymond if co-op was coming, instead of answering the question himself. Raymond isn’t even on the AIQ project anymore... and Raymond said the code is very, very, done. It just needs some polish. Keith passed the buck. he dam well knows whats going on in his game. especially when he designs the layout, and creates the rules of all his games.

I think co-op is great for a game like TNA not every game needs it. But maybe in time co-op and vs modes will become standard features. If you the player don’t like it you don’t need to play it but some people might like it.

I think it’s killer on TNA but would feel out of place on other games imo.

Exactly this. I live in a major city and I still can’t play games in the wild. Pandemic or otherwise. NYC could not care less about pinball, apparently.

They did answer that question near the start of the stream. They just didn’t answer it again the next 100 times it was asked. It clearly annoyed them.

Exactly, you absolutely cannot appear to be annoyed at your fans/potential customers because they are asking a question. It’s a shit attitude and a terrible look. If there are no plans for co op just say it! If you think it will hurt sales commit to add the feature later and say that!

No one has read the comics from 91. What gave avengers mass appeal was the humor and lighthearted nature of it. I get that the pin is technically based on the comics but you can’t remove the elements that made the theme relevant in the first place...

I can agree with that. They also reacted similarly to folks bagging on the trophy system. Gotta listen to the people when it’s reoccurring to that extent.

Hopefully Raymond's view on co-op changes and we get it in the game.

There is a distinct experience difference between two people dividing up 6 balls on a single player, and two people each getting 3 balls to work toward the same goal.

I'm guessing he might not have kids?

Saw some comments on trophies and how they fit. Honestly I think it is a gamer/generational thing. Anytime I play a game on xbox there are multiple achievements popping up on screen telling me I finished an achievement or I have a daily/weekly quest complete. This might be an attempt to reach out to a younger generation with some "instant" gratification.

I didn't really mind them but it might be nice to have the option to turn them off if they don't do anything.

Anyone looking for an LE DM me.

Too soon to sell your LE.... Wait a month and make $1000 on it lol

I don’t think it’s the fact they can’t be bothered, there’s just a lot of idiots that type without thinking behind their keyboards that talk shit on every stream.

Usually about this not being good enough and that not being good enough yet it’s the exact opposite stuff that the last game got bagged on for. When Keith and team have probably worked their asses off on what sounds like a tight schedule to get yet another “unique” non cookie cutter game out it’s probably frustrating.

Jack is great at bouncing off the stupid comments or laughing them off but that’s kind of his job as the host of the streams.

Take some of the comments made about TMNT, doesn’t look deep enough, not enough depth or breadth to the code, too linear, not enough modes or stuff to do etc etc... Keith comes out with a game the exact opposite to that and the comments are it’s too deep, rules are too complex, not linear enough and too confusing with too many things going on.

I think that’s why Keith posted in here a couple of times, not because he was doing damage control like someone said earlier in this thread, but to address some of stuff that’s been said specifically the code being too deep/complex - it’s only deep/complex if you want it to be just like JP just like Maiden.

So for some of us that are out of the click - What is co-op again ??

I’m not referring to the flood of questions I the chat, I’m talking about not answering questions that Have been pulled from chat and asked verbally by jack or whoever

Cooperative play - multiple players sharing and working in turn towards game progress.

It honestly sounds like to me Stern should not do these reveal streams at all. So many demands and criticism over not just the game but the people on the stream.

Criticism is part of life. The only other option is just taking the blue pill.

Need to have a final battle mode or play as thanos mode when you hold both flipper buttons at start

Co-op - Team Thanos vs Team Avengers!

It's not that big of a deal. Yes, the short glimpse we got into the game left some people (including myself) a little flustered by the sheer number of nuances to the rules, but Keith came in and cleared it up pretty easily. I think that's a completely normal dialog to have.

I don't believe the stream is the issue. I think it is the way preorders and now prepays in full have to be made prior to seeing any game play. Currently you are making a large purchase based off some art, which looks incredible ZY! AIQ for me had to be paid in full, by bank transfer, no credit card which really caught me off guard. So an instant decision had to be made... Being a HUGE Thanos fan I had to make a snap decision and now seeing Thanos is pretty much absent from the game along with some other things I didn't care for I know I may not like this game. I LOVE the artwork but to buy another 10k Christmas tree for me to look at is not in the cards for me.

IMO, If anything I think the streams should be done in advance or day of like Iron Maiden was, of the preorders, prepays or dealer lists being collected. This way customers will get the chance to make an educated decision based on their needs and wants not based on fear of missing out...

Some notes about the Marvel stream tonight.
Front page so... good luck chatting.
1080@30FPS (Marvel’s tech orders)
Just me physically playing.
Second remote (Celeb marvel host) will be fielding question for me from the chat.

I’ll explain what I can, but this stream is about showing Joe Q. Public how fun pinball is and more specifically; Avengers.

What did he say? Did he post in this thread?

I’d find a new distributor.