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Avatar LE - I like it!!!

By gweempose

9 years ago


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#1 9 years ago

I recently picked up an Avatar LE. The game wasn't on my wish list, but one popped up close to me, and the price was right. I have to say, I'm finding the game to be very fun. I know it doesn't get a lot of love, but I truly think it's underrated. I had played the game before and always found it interesting, but it has really started to grow on me now that I fully understand the rules. Heck, I'm even kind of digging the powerball.

#2 9 years ago

Lets see pics please, like to see your topper as I want one for Avatar. I think its great fun have it right beside Tron LE until NAVL comes to pick up Tron. How does your LED look on the playfield? Sounds good with a FF speaker upgrade and looks even better with LED backbox kit.

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#3 9 years ago

Agreed, had a pro for about a year and had to sell to fund something else. I miss it at times, and you don't see them come up FS too often, especially the LE's. I thought it was a nice flowing game with great sound and music. I always loved the call out when you drained to quickly. "Yeah, you can have it back". Enjoy it!

#4 9 years ago

I agree. I like AVATAR and could easily own one again.

#5 9 years ago

I like mine. It's a challenging pin.

#6 9 years ago

Great pin. I miss mine! Sound is epic!

#7 9 years ago
Quoted from Redeyes:

Great pin. I miss mine! Sound is epic!

absolutely.

#8 9 years ago

I never liked the pro that much, but a month ago I put 30 or so games on the LE and I found it much quicker and fun.

#9 9 years ago
Quoted from perryd:

I never liked the pro that much, but a month ago I put 30 or so games on the LE and I found it much quicker and fun.

The LE and pro have identical game play. So likely the pro was just not set up / waxed properly.

Avatar is a great game. One of my 10 favorite in my collection. I haven't idea why it gets so dissed. It's really undeserved.

I recently removed the one way gate to the left of the pop bumpers and like the result. Right orbit shots flow now rather than hit the pops. The skill hit requires some actual skill. Ball is still in the pops plenty. I recommend the change.

#10 9 years ago
Quoted from markmon:

The LE and pro have identical game play.

With the exception of the powerball. When it's in play, it definitely speeds up the game and keeps you on your toes.

Quoted from markmon:

I recently removed the one way gate to the left of the pop bumpers and like the result. Right orbit shots flow now rather than hit the pops. The skill hit requires some actual skill. Ball is still in the pops plenty. I recommend the change.

Interesting. I may try this. I disabled the post at the top of IM, and I much prefer the way the game flows. I can see Avatar similarly benefiting by removing the gate.

#11 9 years ago

Lets see pics please, like to see your topper as I want one for Avatar.

Here you go:

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#12 9 years ago

I actually recommend removing the navi ball. It ruins the game. Once you experience the 2x stacked multiball scoring, you noonget are satisfied by hitting mb on a standard ball. It also ruins two player games. I think the games better without the navi ball.

#13 9 years ago
Quoted from doughslingers:

How does your LED look on the playfield? Sounds good with a FF speaker upgrade and looks even better with LED backbox kit.

Mine was fully converted to LEDs before I got it. They look nice, but I plan on tweaking them. They are a bit too bright for my taste, particularly with the mirror blades. I really like the blue DMD, which I added.

Quoted from cleland:

I thought it was a nice flowing game with great sound and music.

Agreed. The sound is very well done. It really helps to get you involved in the game. I also think it's one of the most visually stunning pins ever made, with great artwork everywhere you look. The 3D translite is particularly effective. It's much better than the one on Tron, IMHO.

#14 9 years ago

I love the power ball! It does really speed things up and makes things more challenging. Yes, for multi-player games it adds a certain randomness that may not always balance fairly between players, but it really pushes you to maximize your time on any given powerball because you never know if you are going to get it back!

Bottom line though is I think Avatar LE is a great pin and very underrated.

#15 9 years ago
Quoted from VegasAlleycat:

I love the power ball! It does really speed things up and makes things more challenging. Yes, for multi-player games it adds a certain randomness that may not always balance fairly between players, but it really pushes you to maximize your time on any given powerball because you never know if you are going to get it back!

I'd not heard of this... is it like the powerball in TZ? If so, does the game recognise it like TZ does so that the game is somehow adjusted when it's in play, or is it just that Stern bunged a powerball in there and is has not actual effect on the game?

Not played this game, so don't know if magnets are used...

I enjoyed the film and think this game is beautiful (especially the backglass!) so I can imagine picking one up at some point, so am trying to get a feel for what the LE has to offer over the pro...

#16 9 years ago

Decent game IMO, problem is there are so many more titles that I consider better, and with limited space I feel that Avatar will most likely be a title that never wins out over others I have/want.

#17 9 years ago

Gweem. I got dibs.

#18 9 years ago

Yes, it's a great game! And it'snt in the top 100!!!!It's incroyable!!!!The "LE" is very nice, and the shaker is an good addition. The sound is one of the best.

#19 9 years ago

Definitely a great game and approachable for non-pin player as well.

I think it has the best integration of music, call-outs and shaker motor of any title (although haven't played AC/DC with a shaker motor yet).

Congrats on the new addition!

#20 9 years ago

One of my gf's favorite games, and she doesn't like the normal version, that powerball addition and pretty lights gets her every time.

Or as I've seen in another thread, 'make it more expensive and the women will flock to it.'

#21 9 years ago

So what IS the powerball... can someone please explain... pretty please

#22 9 years ago

The "Navi" ball used in the LE is the same lighter ceramic style ball as the one used in TZ. The game does recognize when it is put into the trough, as it starts "Navi scoring", which I think is 2X. The most interesting aspect to me is when you get a good multi-ball going and you have both the normal steel balls and the ceramic ball going at the same time. It really messes with you (in a good way)...

Later,
EV

#23 9 years ago
Quoted from EchoVictor:

The "Navi" ball used in the LE is the same lighter ceramic style ball as the one used in TZ. The game does recognize when it is put into the trough, as it starts "Navi scoring", which I think is 2X. The most interesting aspect to me is when you get a good multi-ball going and you have both the normal steel balls and the ceramic ball going at the same time. It really messes with you (in a good way)... []

Thanks... I assume you mean 'shooter lane' and not trough

#24 9 years ago

>>AVATAR LE - I LIKE IT

I do too......unfortunately I preordered my Avatar to get one from the first day of domestic made, and they hadn't announced there would be an LE version. I could have swapped it out (the distributor and Stern would have worked with me on it), but by then I had already tweaked mine to play perfectly and didn't want to bother switching them (plus mine was featured in a Pingame Journal article so it was "famous")

Someday I may sell my pro to get an LE (very underrated game)

#25 9 years ago
Quoted from pinballslave:

I assume you mean 'shooter lane' and not trough?

It's actually very cool the way the game knows the Na'vi ball is in play. There is a small metal plate on each side of the shooter lane. When a normal ball is resting in the shooter lane, it completes the circuit. Since the Na'vi ball is ceramic, it doesn't conduct electricity.

Quoted from VegasAlleycat:

I love the power ball! It does really speed things up and makes things more challenging.

I agree. Not only does it force you to adjust your shots, but I also really like the strategy involved in trying to maximize the 2X scoring. I understand the argument that the Na'vi ball introduces an element of luck into multi-player games, but that doesn't bother me. Most of the time I'm playing by myself anyway.

Quoted from pinballslave:

I enjoyed the film and think this game is beautiful (especially the backglass!) so I can imagine picking one up at some point, so am trying to get a feel for what the LE has to offer over the pro...

Here's a great rundown of what is different on the LE:

http://www.pinballnews.com/news/avatarle.html

#26 9 years ago

love the powerball feature as well.

#27 9 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Here's a great rundown of what is different on the LE:

http://www.pinballnews.com/news/avatarle.html

I should have known to go to Pinball News

#28 9 years ago

I really like the Blue DMD. That is a nice touch for Avatar.

#29 9 years ago

In addition to the 2X scoring strategy having the Navi ball in play allows you to make multiple head-on shots at the amp suit without the magnet throwing it STDM. You then have amp suit multiball with the Navi ball in play (as well as 2X scoring).

#30 9 years ago
Quoted from PluffMudPinball:

In addition to the 2X scoring strategy having the Navi ball in play allows you to make multiple head-on shots at the amp suit without the magnet throwing it STDM.

Absolutely. You can attack the AMP suit using the Na'vi ball with much less risk.

#31 9 years ago
Quoted from PluffMudPinball:

In addition to the 2X scoring strategy having the Navi ball in play allows you to make multiple head-on shots at the amp suit without the magnet throwing it STDM. You then have amp suit multiball with the Navi ball in play (as well as 2X scoring).

That makes the LE sound even more attractive since it intruduces some strategy...

Dumb question, but you can't just bung a powerball in a pro and change the code to the LE and get it to work... I'm pretty sure the pro won't have the sensor in the shooter lane for the metal ball, but just thought I'd ask 'just in case'

#32 9 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Mine was fully converted to LEDs before I got it. They look nice, but I plan on tweaking them. They are a bit too bright for my taste, particularly with the mirror blades. I really like the blue DMD, which I added.

Avatar LE was the first game I totally converted to LED...and I started with Cointaker Premium 2-LEDs which are great, but too bright in most of the inserts. So - for most of the white, yellow ,and green inserts I changed to Pinball Life's single LED Ghostbuster and those look great and non-blinding now. I used CT Pinks in Eywa & Valkyrie. I used CT cool white frosteds in the GI and those look great....less "spotty" than the clear dome type, and they "blend" the plastics art nicely - you don't see the "Stern pixels" as much. I used blue Retros under the Link Pod (there are blue regular bulbs there from the factory)...a blue PBL flasher under the Link insert...white PBL flashers for the other playfield flashers....warm white LEDs in the pops (cuz of the explosion artwork on the pop caps). Game looks beautiful w/ these combinations & brings out the natural colors.

I also recommend putting stronger coils in the game. I upgraded mine to the same ones that are in Ironman (but opposite) ...I forget the #'s offhand but I can post them later. With stronger coils the game jams SO FAST. I felt like my timing was off a bit w/ the stock coils ,but w/ the IM coils - it feels so perfect.

#33 9 years ago

I recently got an avatar LE and its certainly getting a lot of attention at my house.
Th navi ball is awesome and I really enjoy the strategy and speed that it adds to the game.
As for removing the top gate it makes the game much faster and harder... Harder because it is harder to get the x2 RNA lanes active hence the lower scores.
I switch my gate back and noticed my scores improve again.

#34 9 years ago

I know it doesn't get a lot of love, but I truly think it's underrated.

+1 ....and I've been saying that for a while now.

Here's a few pics of my pro model with a couple mods:

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#35 9 years ago

Great paint job on that AMP suit!

#36 9 years ago
Quoted from gweempose:

Great paint job on that AMP suit!

Thanks!! ....full thread here: http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/avatar-mods-take-another-look

And a ton more pics and commentary on my website: http://www.bradberryman.com/Pinball_Avatar.htm

Enjoy!

#37 9 years ago

You obviously have an artistic background. Have you ever thought about having people send you their AMP suit and charging them for the custom paint job? I'd be very tempted to do it if you were game.

#38 9 years ago
Quoted from Pdxmonkey:

I recently got an Avatar LE and its certainly getting a lot of attention at my house.
Th navi ball is awesome and I really enjoy the strategy and speed that it adds to the game.
As for removing the top gate it makes the game much faster and harder... Harder because it is harder to get the x2 RNA lanes active hence the lower scores.
I switch my gate back and noticed my scores improve again.

I'd like to add that if you have the Pro the game is better with the Navi ball and with the LE it's better if you disable it, but still have it active. The game is easier with the Navi ball and the risk reward is completely FUBARed when you add 2X scoring to the mix.

Interesting thought about the gate. It got me thinking that it might be more interesting to switch the gate from the left to the right. That way there is more of a true skill shot--a full plunge will go all the way around the left orbit. Not only does this improve the skill shot, but it also improves the complaint that many have when they are served a house ball off the plunge when it goes STDM.

#39 9 years ago
Quoted from Casey_Bryson:

I'd like to add that if you have the Pro the game is better with the Navi ball and with the LE it's better if you disable it, but still have it active. The game is easier with the Navi ball and the risk reward is completely FUBARed when you add 2X scoring to the mix.

Two things to note
-The LE apron windows only glow when you're in 2x scoring. Disabling it will disable a visual feature I enjoy.
-There are quotes for 2x scoring that I believe are only on the LE like "You science pukes started double scoring!"and "Na'vi Ball!"

So - I would never change the Na'vi Ball settings on my LE. I like the Na'vi ball, the 2x scoring, and the features that come with it. It's my house, not a Tournament...so, whatever.

#40 9 years ago

Hard as hell game. The link lock is fun. Ramp is unsatisfying to hit, though. And if the ball starts side to side motion, you're effed. Keep away from the outlanes is the name of the game. And every so often the ball will drain after hitting the pops. Brutal game. But I put a lot of tokens in it at Pinball Wizard.

#41 9 years ago
Quoted from Richthofen:

And every so often the ball will drain after hitting the pops.

Not if it's got the modded spring mod. (Factory exit spring but relocated to the post below the factory post) ...then it's VEEERRRRY rare that the ball will drain from the pops.

#42 9 years ago
Quoted from pinballslave:

So what IS the powerball... can someone please explain... pretty please

Youve owned a TZ & dont know what a powerball is???

#43 9 years ago
Quoted from smassa:

Youve owned a TZ & dont know what a powerball is??? []

Ah, you mean it's the thing that you have to shoot into the Gumball machine, but here the AMP Suit is the gumball machine?? Now I'm lost again

#44 9 years ago

I wanted one, but they didnt have any in LE...I hear the audio is one of the best? SO JEALOUS!!

#45 9 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Not if it's got the modded spring mod. (Factory exit spring but relocated to the post below the factory post) ...then it's VEEERRRRY rare that the ball will drain from the pops.

+1

I still hear quite often about the "SDTM problem" from the Avatar pops. It really seems that there must be quite a few Avatars out there that never received the spring fix. Same for the left side drain fix. I guess Stern didn't contact owners to let them know the fixes were available?

#46 9 years ago

My favorite quote from the game is Sigourney Weaver saying "Don't touch that - you'll go blind"

#47 9 years ago
Quoted from Max_Badazz:

>>Avatar LE - I LIKE IT
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Someday I may sell my pro to get an LE (very underrated game)

There is a HUO Avatar LE, "maybe 150 plays, mint" for sale in Tampa for 4k, according to thread I saw yesterday by sepins.

#48 9 years ago
Quoted from pinstor12:

There is a HUO Avatar LE, "maybe 150 plays, mint" for sale in Tampa for 4k, according to thread I saw yesterday by sepins.

The fact that you can get mint ones in the $4K range makes Avatar the best LE bang for the buck out there.

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